In a hard-hitting article in Salon, Jeff Bryant writes that the charter school frauds and scams have become too obvious to ignore.
Bryant notes Bill Clinton’s widely quoted remarks about charter schools, how we have to get back to the original vision.
But, Bryant notes,
“In a real “bargaining process,” those who bear the consequences of the deal have some say-so on the terms, the deal-makers have to represent themselves honestly (or the deal is off and the negotiating ends), and there are measures in place to ensure everyone involved is held accountable after the deal has been struck.
“But that’s not what’s happening in the great charter industry rollout transpiring across the country. Rather than a negotiation over terms, charters are being imposed on communities – either by legislative fiat or well-engineered public policy campaigns. Many charter school operators keep their practices hidden or have been found to be blatantly corrupt. And no one seems to be doing anything to ensure real accountability for these rapidly expanding school operations.
“Instead of the “bargain” political leaders may have thought they struck with seemingly well-intentioned charter entrepreneurs, what has transpired instead looks more like a raw deal for millions of students, their families, and their communities. And what political leaders ought to be doing – rather than spouting unfounded platitudes, as Clinton did, about “what works” – is putting the brakes on a deal gone bad, ensuring those most affected by charter school rollouts are brought to the bargaining table, and completely renegotiating the terms for governing these schools.”
Charters are imposed on unwilling communities, stripped of any voice, by mayors, governors, state commissions, and emergency managers. That’s happening in city after city, where the powerful think that poor people and minorities are unable to govern themselves.
“The “100 percent charter schools” education system in New Orleans that Clinton praised was never presented to the citizens of New Orleans in a negotiation. It was surreptitiously engineered.
“After Katrina, as NPR recently reported, “an ad hoc coalition of elected leaders and nationally known charter advocates formed,” and in “a series of quick decisions,” all school employees were fired and the vast majority of the city’s schools were handed over to a state entity called the “Recovery School District” which is governed by unelected officials. Only a “few elite schools were … allowed to maintain their selective admissions……”
“Yet now political leaders tout this model for the rest of the country. So school districts that have not had the “benefit,” according to Arne Duncan, of a natural disaster like Katrina, are having charter schools imposed on them in blatant power plays. An obvious example is what’s currently happening in the York, Pennsylvania.
“School districts across the state of Pennsylvania are financially troubled due to chronic state underfunding – only 36 percent of K-12 revenue comes from the state, way below national averages – and massive budget cuts imposed by Republican Governor Tom Corbett (the state funds education less than it did in 2008).
“The state cuts seemed to have been intentionally targeted to hit high-poverty school districts like York City the hardest. After combing through state financial records, a report from the state’s school employee union found, “State funding cuts to the most impoverished school districts averaged more than three times the size of the cuts for districts with the lowest average child poverty.” The unsurprising results of these cuts has been that in school districts serving low income kids, like York, instruction was cut and scores on state student assessments declined.
“The York City district was exceptionally strapped, having been hit by $8.4 million in cuts, which prompted class size increases and teacher furloughs. Due to financial difficulties, which the state legislature and Governor Corbett had by-and-large engineered, York was targeted in 2012, along with three other districts, for state takeover by an unelected “recovery official,” eerily similar to New Orleans post-Katrina.
“The “recovery” process for York schools also entailed a “transformation model” with challenging financial and academic targets the district had little chance in reaching, and charter school conversion as a consequence of failure. Now the local school board is being forced to pick a charter provider and make their district the first in the state to hand over the education of all its children to a corporation that will call all the shots and give York’s citizens very little say in how their children’s schools are run.
“None of this is happening with the negotiated consent of the citizens of York. The voices of York citizens that have been absent from the bargaining tables are being heard in the streets and in school board meetings. According to a local news outlet, at a recent protest before the city’s school board, “a district teacher and father of three students … presented the board with more than 3,700 signatures of people opposed to a possible conversion of district schools to charter schools,” and “a student at the high school also presented the board with a petition signed by more than 260 students opposed to charter conversion.” Yet the state official demanding charter takeover remains completely unaltered in his view that this action is “what’s best for our kids……”
“What’s happening to York City is not going to help. The two charter operators being considered for that takeover – Mosaica Education, Inc., and Charter Schools USA – have particularly troubling track records.
“According to a report from Politico, after Mosaica took over the Muskegon Heights, Michigan school system in 2012, “complications soon followed.” After massive layoffs, about a quarter of the newly hired teachers quit, and when Mosaica realized they weren’t making a profit within two years, they pulled up stakes and went in search of other targets.
“As for the other candidate in the running, Charter Schools USA, a report from the Florida League of Women Voters produced earlier this year found that charter operation running a real estate racket that diverts taxpayer money for education to private pockets. In Hillsborough County alone, schools owned by Charter Schools USA collaborated with a construction company in Minneapolis, M.N. and a real estate partner called Red Apple Development Company in a scheme to lock in big profits for their operations and saddle county taxpayers with millions of dollars in lease fees every year.”
There is more, and it only gets worse. This is an industry where the well-meaning small charters are crowded out by the well-funded chains that arrive with big promises and end up with big profits.
Perhaps the most notable feature of charter schools today is that they are neither accountable nor transparent. Public money goes into a dark hole. And kids are getting no better education, and in many cases, far worse than what they received when their schools were run by locals, not corporations.

If you haven’t read this week’s Nation, great articles abut the charter schools frauds by our own Diane Ravitch and other excellent writers. Expose, expose, expose.
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charters are a front for wall street..charters do not care about kids, charters are corrupt to the max, charters are a business opportunity for people like eva moskowitch – a real crook stealing 500 thousand dollars a year to manage her fake ridden test score school…do not let these people hoodwink our public school system…public schools accept all students and charter schools accept only the good bright kids…when charter schools realize the student needs lots of work and counseling, they move the kid back into the dumping ground nyc public schools so that their school stats look like all their kids are geniuses…oh yea moskowitch calls them scholars but the kids she sent back are crap
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NYC is dealing with people who have their own agenda and that is to create a business of our public schools. Charter schools are a front for money people with nothing better to do with their money so they are throwing it at people like this moskowitch woman who makes 500 thousand dollars a year and then marches in public trashing our public schools and teachers…this hoodwink – wink wink – is corrupt and not honest….you know the people like moskowitch is a piece of crap who does not care about any teachers livlihood nor any students future…its all about the $$$ — don’t let them fool you reader be aware.
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Thanks Diane!
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“Standardized Corruption”
Standardized corruption
What charter chain’s about
Fraud and waste eruption
The standard, little doubt
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And, in Cincinnati, Ohio, where charter school regulations are lax and the OSB, the governor, and his cronies support charter schools and whose decisions to defund public education and lower state taxes have caused local districts to return to the public for funding, as we struggle to fund jobs…
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2014/10/05/charter-school-turns-turkish-teachers/16791669/
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Gulen-inspired charter schools in Ohio—Concept Schools—are hiring foreign teachers who get H-1B visas by claiming they are filling jobs for which there are not qualified teachers. An H-1B visa is valid for three-years of work, a three-year extension, then green card if permanent residency is wanted, then U.S. citizenship.
The Cincinnati Enquirer reports that “at least 474 foreign teachers…mostly from Turkey, have arrived at Concept’s Ohio schools between 2005 and 2013” in a state where the recession helped to cut about 40,000 teaching positions. More than half of Concept’s school were rated D in Ohio’s last measure of performance.
According to the Enquirer, Concept is employing 69 teachers on H-1B visas in Ohio, “about 12 percent of its teaching staff,” and almost all came from Turkey or surrounding countries. Other Ohio schools are employing H-1B teachers, at most one or two, and primarily for language instruction.
Concept Schools are under FBI investigation for dubious contracts—hiring, testing, technology. This year the FBI raided four of Ohio’s Concept Schools and schools in four other states. The Ohio Department of Education has not yet decided whether to investigate whether Concept Schools are employing unlicensed foreign teachers—as claimed by one former teacher and a former administrator in those schools.
Concept Schools, (Chicago-based) and founded by followers of Turkish cleric Fethuallah Gulen is one of the oldest charter operations in Ohio, now the second largest and the fastest-growing in the state, with 18 schools tapping about $45 million a year in state funding. It operates 31 schools in six Midwestern states. Harmony Schools, linked to Gulen and based in Texas, is the largest charter operator in the US. Private schools affiliated with Gulen operate in Russia, China, and Indonesia.
An administrator with a major charter operation in Ohio (White Hat) said that the whole point of charters is that each management group or school gets to have its own philosophy and hiring practice. http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2014/10/05/charter-school-turns-turkish-teachers/16791669/
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“Charters are imposed on unwilling communities, stripped of any voice, by mayors, governors, state commissions, and emergency managers.” This really is the key summary and next, the families are hoodwinked into believing that they really have made a good choice for their children. But after decades of no voice and no choice, these schools are actually a study in persistent disenfranchisement. A very old poison now marketed in a new bottle.
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Charters are never started in upper middle class or rich areas – just like upper middle class and rich students do not go to for profit colleges. All this is aimed at those who are the least likely to speak up and the most likely to be used and hurt. Very unethical, very undemocratic.
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How does one invest their money in charters?
I mean… I’m just curious. Not that I would EVER — you know. Heh. Perish the thought.
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Call Cory Booker.
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From the posting above:
“According to a report from Politico, after Mosaica took over the Muskegon Heights, Michigan school system in 2012, “complications soon followed.” After massive layoffs, about a quarter of the newly hired teachers quit, and when Mosaica realized they weren’t making a profit within two years, they pulled up stakes and went in search of other targets.”
Folks, this is a heavy hitter in the “rigor” and “no excuses” charterite/privatizer movement.
And their idea of accepting responsibility? Or rather: responsibility to what and to whom?
Choice: ROI or children. And the answer is…
They chose ROI. And the children?
Apparently reckless and thoughtless child abandonment is considered a key plank of the “new civil rights movement of our time.”
Wow…
But ROI abandonment?
“I reject that mind-set.” [Michelle Rhee]
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I knew she would say that, but still…
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Arguing about the initial intent of charter schools, versus what they have inarguably become, is at this point akin to arguing over when the Soviet Union discredited Communism as a movement.
Was it the attack on the Kronstadt naval base? Stalin’s takeover? The Hitler-Stalin Pact? The invasion of Hungary? Czechoslovakia?
While an interesting (and endless) discussion for historians, it’s fundamentally pointless, as is arguing over whether charters have betrayed their initial promise, or were “born in sin.”
The fact is, Joe Nathan’s claims notwithstanding, charter schools have conclusively shown themselves to be a diversion of resources from the public schools, as pedagogic-ally reactionary, and as a vehicle for a wide range of scammers, frauds, self-seekers, opportunists, narcissists and power trippers.
No attempt at misdirection and arbitrarily changing the narrative – since the narrative of the so-called reformers has run its course – will change that.
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Michael,
Public school buildings divert resources from other public school buildings, so I don’t think the resource diversion argument is especially convincing.
As I posted below, some charter schools may well be run by scammers and frauds. Other charter schools are not.
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Michael Fiorillo: well put.
And as one example of diversion, let’s define “midyear dump.”
From this blog earlier this year, excerpts. First a comment by “Jack” [1] and then my response [2] and his response to my comment [3]:
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1), “Dr. DeWayne Davis, the principal at LAUSD’s Audubon Middle school, wrote Dr. Diane Ravitch a letter which Diane posted on her site. In this letter, Dr. Davis condemned the “midyear dump” of students from the nearby charter schools. Every year, just after winter break, there are about 168 or so kids that have left those charter schools—either kicked out or “counseled out”. I can’t recall the exact figures, but he said about 162 of those are FBB (Far Below Basic)—kids who score low because of being innately “slower”, non-cooperative, “Special Ed”, newcomers to the country who are brand new to English, those students just plain not willing to work hard, from distressed home lives, foster care, homeless, etc.
Davis tells about the great difficulties that teachers have in their efforts to absorb these charter cast-off’s into their classes. For the next month or two—or for even the remainder of the school year—teachers and the pre-existing students report varying states of chaos as a result of the nearby charter schools engaging in this despicable “midyear dump”.
Of course, think of the effect this has on Audubon’s scores—they go DOWN—and on the nearby charter schools—they go UP.”
2), “Jack: correct me if I’m wrong, but it is my understanding that the “midyear dump” described by Dr. Dewayne Davis occurs AFTER the charters collect the funding attached to the students for the school year.
So students that would and should require greater resources—the kind paid for with dollars like, say, more desperately needed classroom aides or at least more hours for those already stationed at the school—are left behind at the charter.
From the POV of the advocates for charters & privatization, a fair tradeoff: the charters get $tudent $ucce$$ and glowing reports in the MSM, the public schools get punished and pilloried for not accomplishing unrealistically under-resourced miracles.
Please clarify if you can.”
3), “Yes, when a charter dumps a child, the money does NOT follow that child. They have to keep the students for a week—or a month—and they get to keep the entire year’s money allocated for that child.
Put another way, there is no pro rata amount of money that goes along with the child. If the charter kicks the kid out after a month, a nine-month allocation does not go along with that child.
Whenever public school advocates try to change this, the charter folks throw up every roadblock and obstacle that they can.”
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Link: https://dianeravitch.net/2014/02/15/reader-offers-a-dose-of-common-sense-about-high-test-scores/
While not illegal, this is clearly immoral.
But then again, in an updated version of a well-known saying: “moderation in the pursuit of $tudent $ucce$$ is no virtue.”*
*English-to-English translation: sucker punch ya, sucka!*
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Thank you for your comments.
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And in California, Marshall Tuck, in his bid to win the election and become State Supt., keeps repeating the mantra that “all charter schools are public schools.”
This scammer is now neck in neck with current incumbent, Toe Torlakson, a teacher.
Tuck is the former Green Dot exec who was forced out due to shenanigans, and he is a firm advocate of charters, and of his other job experience as a Wall Street huckster.
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typo…Tom Torlakson is the current State Supt.
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As we well know, not only the charters, but the profit based colleges have robbed out government of money but the people – often our servicemen with GI benefits – have found out to their horror that they pay exorbitant fees – and often end up with horrendous debt – but that the “degrees” they get are worthless, cannot get the jobs they were promised. These scams are a part of our nation’s indebtedness and as mentioned above, no one seems to be doing anything about it.
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I think it would be better to insert the word “some” in front of the word charter. Some charter schools engage in scams.
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So you’re in favor of strict regulation to prevent those scams, right?
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Dienne,
Yes I would. You might note that many of the concerns come from relatively few states, suggesting that some states do a much much better job than others in regulating charter schools.
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Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Florida, New York, California, Tennessee, Indiana, North Carolina and probably others I’m not thinking about at the moment have all had charter scams. I’d hardly call that “relatively few states”.
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Dienne,
You list 11 of the 42 states and The District of Colombia that allow charter schools. If we are talking about financial scandals, I don’t recall many from New York or California. Certainly you would agree that Minnesota appears to have a much better regulatory framework than, say, Ohio.
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11 out of 42 is slightly more than 1 in 4. I find that alarming, don’t you?
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Dienne,
Not especially alarming. We are learning how to regulate these schools.
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As far as New York, if Success Academy isn’t a scam, I don’t know what is. Oh, and hasn’t D.C. also had charter scams? 12 for 42.
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Dienne,
What financial fraud to you think SA has engaged in? Embezzlement?
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As if you don’t know, but their whole existence is a fraud. They get gadzillions of public dollars to cream the easiest students to get prepped for tests and then they crap all over the public schools that have to take their rejects. And they get free rent. And Eva pays herself half a million. It may not legally be “fraud”, but only because Eva’s buddies in the legislature and elsewhere have written the laws so that nothing Eva does is fraud. It most certainly is a scam.
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Dienne,
It sounds like you would like to have a regulation limiting the pay of charter administrators. That is certainly possible. What limits do you have in mind?
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I’m not absolutely certain, but I believe that Mosko’s salary is paid with privately raised dollars.
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More than half of Moskowitz’s salary is paid for by a private foundation.
New York has a strong authorizing and regulatory structure, which is why actual scams, scandals, and malfeasance are rare. Of course, given the deep popularity of charters in New York City, at this point scandals are all charter and choice opponents have to pin their hopes on.
At the end of this excellent long piece about the effort to unionize fast-food workers, you’ll get a sense of the level of popularity. One of the workers involved with the organizing didn’t even bother w DOE schools and applied instead to 10 charters. Her child got a spot off a wait list. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/15/dignity-4
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Tim, your excuses for charters never end. I remember the Brown decision. I remember how long it took to dismantle a dual school system. What a shame that Wall Street and the billionaires are determined to create another dual system: one for the schools that can choose their students and kick out the ones they don’t want (charters), another that must accept all, including those kicked out by the charters (the public schools).
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Tim,
Moskowitz’s schools have never been audited. She went to court to fight a public audit. How do you know who pays her salary? Which private foundation? How much do they pay her?
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Dr. Ravitch,
There are 160 charter schools in NYC that are not run by Ms. Moskowitz. Any thoughts about those schools? I have often posted about the Community Roots Charter school in Broklyn. Is Beth Lief, a member of their board, a fraud and a charlatan?
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TE, I have never said that everyone associated with any charter school is a fraud and a charlatan. You have a facility for twisting words. I do believe that charter schools are creating a dual school system, which in many cities and states is draining money from public schools, dividing communities, and creating a separate and unequal set of schools. And as you have read on this blog many times, there are many reprehensible for-profit charters that provide terrible education but are never held accountable because their backers give generous contributions to politicians. This is certainly the case in Ohio, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Indiana. Why you bring up a tiny charter school in Brooklyn as a counter example to the billions siphoned off by frauds in the states mentioned above is beyond my understanding.
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TE is always on that Möbius strip, twisting every conversation to a miniscule exception to “prove his point” but asking questions to leave an impression of interest in the topic at hand.
My brother was like that. Infuriating. His goal…and he admitted it…was to take any person’s words and twist them to his advantage when he saw the need. His favorite comment was, “I will crush you with your own words.” Luckily his wife got away from him.
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Deb,
The use of a simple word would forestall many of my posts. If folds made claims that some charters are run fraudulently I could do nothing but agree. If posts stated that some states do a relatively poor job regulating charter schools, there is no argoing against that post.
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Dr. Ravitch,
I bring up the tiny charter school in Broklyn because it is more representative of charter schools than the chains that are so often discussed here. Not long ago a poster was surprised to learn that even the largest charter chains make up a small percentage of the charter schools and charter enrollment, and a vanishingly small proportion of all schools and all students.
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TE, as long as you have been reading here, you should KNOW that the types of charter schools that are being objected to are the large (usually) for-profit chains that are taking public money to make a few individuals wealthy while not providing a better education for their students, and avoiding the same regulations that other public schools must follow. If a private school wants to operate on its own budget without tax dollars then let it be. If a charter school wants to operate within a public school system using tax dollars, then it should not be possible to avoid regulation or to use tax dollars to go into private real estate or other investments that cannot be touched if the school fails.
You know as well as everyone else here that the objections are against the unfair manner in which charlatans are taking advantage of tax money to siphon money from public schools in order to undermine the public education system that is required by law to serve all students, not selectively choose those it will or will not educate!
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deb,
Large for profit chain charter schools are the minority of charter schools. If people are objecting to them, fine, but you might want to make it clear. Folks might even praise the charter schools that are not for profit charter schools. How often have you seen that happen here?
Folks can easily get the wrong impression of the nature of charter schools if they only read the posts here. Concerned Mom, for example, was surprised to learn that the large charter chains discussed here make up such a small percentage of charter schools (https://dianeravitch.net/2014/09/29/peter-greene-explains-to-bill-gates-why-education-is-not-like-a-railroad-gauge/comment-page-1/#comment-2241736)
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Which folks are confused here, TE? It has been as clear as possible here that they are referring to the Michelle Rhee and Gulen and White Hat and Success Academy, etc. The names if the specific schools and their infamous directors and supporters are called out time after time.
Do you go in search of an ambiguous post in order to justify your incessant questioning and convoluted assertions?
That is why you are frustrating to the many who have told you their reactions to your comments! You act as if you have no idea what anyone is referring to or as if we are speaking in broad generalities when nothing could be further from the truth.
The concerted effort by certain entities to undermine public education via charters, standardized testing, computerized learning, using TFA “teachers”, trashing college education programs, transferring tax money into the pockets of non-educators who are making huge profits or who are sending money to Turkey or elsewhere, and those who take certain students from public education and dump students with learning problems back into the public system after taking tax money that they don’t have to return…and countless other unconscionable issues are discussed here daily. If you haven’t figured this out yet, then you have some mental block to reading comprehension.
I think you are just playing Devil’s advocate. It isn’t amusing. And everyone is on to you.
Please get serious and stop making comments and implications that you know are irrelevant and absurd. If you have viable contributions to make, make them clear. No one that I have seen here wants to be a hamster in a wheel created by you. We want solutions and answers, not repeated questions and feigned interest. You cannot deny that there is plenty of evidence that the focus of the anti-charter discussion is NOT the small charters that are doing well.
Good grief.
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Deb,
When I have suggested that regulations be rewritten to make for profit charter schools illegal, there are a flood of posts arguing that it does not matter. Even in your post, you talk about charter schools, not for profit charter schools, not chain charter schools.
Here is my solution to the problem of bad charter schools: better regulation, something more like NYC and less like Ohio.
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Deb,
Let me quote from another post in this thread:
” The bottomline: it doesn’t really matter whether charter is for-profit chain or a non-profit tiertiary school”
Does that sound like Ken Watanabe is drawing ANY DISTINCTION AT ALL between different charter schools?
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You are always in search of “A” person who “proves your point”. Frankly, if that is the case, I don’t even care. It is one person’s comment. But, the thrust of most everyone’s posts are about the things I said earlier. If you can’t see that, you are wasting everyone’s time in taking issue with a few opinions that differ from the majority and happen to tweak your interests and push your buttons.
Furthermore, sometimes people post in haste and might leave an unintended impression. You always seem to be there to take issue with any trivial point.
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Deb,
It is one person’s comment, but literally thousands of readers and posters will view that comment and tacitly agree with it. If I don’t argue that the poster is wrong, will you?
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Anyone with a brain will read many posts and draw their own conclusions. If you wish to confront this one guy, by all means do so. I think everyone else here has figured out that the problem is with a specific type of profit-making sham charter schools. People aren’t unable to discern. But do make your complaints directly to the “offender”.
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Deb,
Ken is arguing that there is no discernible difference between ” a specific type of profit-making sham charter schools” and any other charter school. You apparently disagree with Ken on this. Would you say that you disagree or would you just remain silent?
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O k a y … You deal with him. 🙂
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Deb,
Someone here has to say what apparently many people here believe.
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If you think so, have at it!
I haven’t seen much evidence of this.
However, I have seen many who find discussions you push to be circular. But you have a different view of things.
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The clarity and specificity with which most of those use here, particularly in initial posts, when referencing charter schools makes the references apparent. I suppose if someone is a casual reader, seeing a comment, but not having read the previous posts for 2.5 years, might not realize that the charters being referenced are the for profit yet publicly funded variety, many of which are chains.
I have seldom seen a post that did not communicate specific frustrations. There may be a few. My “close reading” tells me that the confusion me that the confusion level is low.
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Deb,
I certainly agree that posters here are pretty clear in their views, I just read the posts differently.
When poster Sozo writes “..INDEPENDENT charters will never, ever be the answer” or poster Puget Sound Parent posts that
“If my body is attacked by a cancerous growth, I want it extracted 100%, never to return again, in any way, shape or form.
Having a malignancy return in another form isn’t eliminating it; it’s just substituting one form of cancer for another.
I’d greatly prefer getting rid of it entirely”
(both posts from this single thread yesterday: https://dianeravitch.net/2014/10/08/arne-duncan-hands-out-36-million-to-charter-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-2244061)
I read it as opposition to any and all charter schools and find it hard to see how it could be read any other way. When folks here argue against charters because they destroy neighborhoods, skim the motivated families from traditional public schools, pull funds from public schools, hire unqualified teachers, create a dual education system, have no democratic control, they are making an argument against all charter schools, not just for profit chain schools. When Dr. Ravitch states that she is against rural charter schools, I take her at her word that it is rural charter schools she is against, not just ones that are part of a chain.
Perhaps some of the frequent posters could weigh in here and explain that I have been reading their posts incorrectly.
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I believe they have told you just that. You never seem to accept what someone states. You tend to go looking for “proof” of your assumptions, but I don’t know what your end sum game is. I figured you’d go ferreting out a bunch of comments that justify your curiosity.
I, for one, don’t think it is particularly confusing. And, I would assume that intelligent readers who may have posed these questions have resolved their “confusion” through more reading.
As is apparent, even if Dr. Ravitch states something specifically, or if she quotes another blogger’s complete opinion, a few people will interpret things as they wish. She can’t control that.
I would suggest that if you have specific questions that you send a message to Dr. Ravitch with your 10-20 questions, see if she answers and what she actually says, and then stop diverting the conversations to discussing things only you and a couple others are interested in pursuing.
I have reasons for reading here. They are: 1) to stay informed as to what is occurring in education across the nation (it is interesting to compare NC, PA, NYC, FL, OH, WI, AZ, CA, to name a few), 2) to note the progress being made in combatting the misuse of standardized testing, 3) to clarify positions for and against the CCSS, and 4) to post and read about the chain charters (and sometimes small charters) that are taking public money and misusing it, providing no better and sometimes worse education than the traditional public schools. I also like to see what widespread damage that people such as the Koch Brothers, Bill Gates, and the members of ALEC are doing to influence elections and how they try to undermine public education and the middle class in general.
You may be looking for different things in coming here. But, as far as I can tell, your questions have seldom been answered to your satisfaction. For me, it is a futile effort. I don’t like to be dismissive or rude to anyone. However, when it does no good to engage a person in a conversation, it is time to just give it up. Good day.
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Deb,
You are correct that I try to offer evidence for my clams. I know that this might be unusual here, but I do think it is the best way to persuade people that you have a point.
I certainly hope you are right that folks here are supportive of the thousands of charters that are not part of any chain. Perhaps folks could point out the charter schools that they support and would like to see replicated. It would be amazing to read those posts.
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Pointing those schools out does nothing to address the need to combat the chains and the other financial conditions that are devastating traditional public schools. It is not meant to put down the places you adore but to fight against the growing robbery of tax dollars to produce inferior schools that close and reopen without any accountability. If there are other schools that don’t do this, great. They aren’t the problem.. It isn’t confusing to anyone but you.
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Deb,
I think stating support for the charter schools that the posters on this blog find unobjectionable would help with combating the charter schools at the posters on this blog do find objectionable in two important ways.
First, it would allow the posters here to make arguments about why chain charter schools are objectionable but single school charter schools are not objectionable. Having a more precise argument is always helpful in a policy debate.
More importantly, stating support for the charter schools that posters on this blog find unobjectionable will increase the number of supporters for positions taken on this blog. Right now all people who happily send their children to charter schools could easily believe that they are being blamed for turning their back on district public schools and the folks on the blog would like to close the schools that thier children attend. If the position of the blog is that only the chain charter schools that parents send thier children to attend should be closed, there will be less political opposition to the policies proposed here.
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Evidence for your clams? I know that was a typo, but it’s still funny.
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The joy of autocorrect.
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Add NJ to the list Dienne.
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“Success Academy Charter Schools’ board chairman, Joel Greenblatt, whose private foundation paid more than half of the $475,244 Eva Moskowitz reported on the Success tax forms …”
http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/top-16-nyc-charter-school-execs-out-earn-chancellor-dennis-walcott-article-1.1497717
Brown was an illusion as it had almost no impact on residential segregation. Given that school assignments remain almost entirely determined by where families live, our schools are segregated, too.
Post-Brown school segregation was firmly entrenched at extreme levels in the New York City region long before the passage of the NYS charter school law. The children who attend NYC charters are mostly zoned for “apartheid” schools. Conversely, there are too many zoned schools to count in the region that aren’t serving their fair share of at-risk kids, and at-risk kids didn’t end up concentrated where they are by accident or “market forces.”
I’m not making excuses: all states should have laws as least as strong as New York’s, New York’s laws should be improved (especially in the areas of access and backfill), and any charter that doesn’t work should be closed down. I simply take into account the perspective of the many families whose children attend or would like to attend a charter.
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I researched charters in my area before my child started school. These independent schools were not doing anything I would call innovative. Many parents in my area claim they choose charters for the small class size and because they are nervous about middle school. What they dance around is that they don’t want their child in school with poor minorities, especially as these children reach adolescence.
I had a parent brag about the innovations at his child’s charter school – phonetic spelling and no spelling tests – he didn’t even listen when I told him my child’s school also does those things.
With the exception of two Montessori charters that are out of my district, I don’t see charters as much of an alternative other than demographics and class size. White parents never consider the charters with a high percentage of minorities enrolled.
How many chains or independent schools should we allow so there can be some truly unique charter schools?
Should charter exist because they give parents a warm and fuzzy feeling even if they do not achieve results different than traditional public schools?
I think charters are here to stay and I am fine with that, but I wish people (parents, politicians, charter school administrators/board members) would be more honest with their reasons for preferring charter schools. I would like to see charters have more regulations that are enforced. I would also like charter to reserve at least one class per grade for a true randomized assignment of students (and also accept some new students as they move into the district during the year – my child school receives new students every week) so we could learn if their teaching methods/environment would help the general population. I think class size of this randomized class would have to be the same size as the public schools
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Concerned,
As a social scientist I would love to have the ability to run randomized experiments on people, but folks often object to being experimented on. Take those Montessori charter schools, for example. If you randomly assigned students to those schools, do you think every parent would be happy if their student happened to be assigned to the Montessori school? If you allowed those parents who objected to thier children going to a Montessori schools to drop out, you would no longer have a random assignment. If You forced thier children into the school, those families would likely find a way out of the school system and you would no longer have a random assignment.
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TE,
I speaking specifically about the charters in my city that are not “unique”. I speaking about charters in my city that make claims that they are better than traditional schools because they do x, y, z.
I am not referring to the Montessori charters that are miles away from my city. I am referring to the charters that aren’t really doing anything much different other than teaching a much different demographic than the traditional public schools in my city.
A parent who isn’t involved will not protest their child going to a different school. Public schools reassign students frequently based on capacity.
I read that charters were created as testing grounds for innovation that could be applied to traditional public schools. When will the field tests begin? There has to be some way for charters to test their great innovations on the general population. Why not let SA take over a failing public school complete with the students? Since the opposition to SA feels SA won’t get great results they should be in favor of that and since SA feels they know how to make every child succeed they should also be open to taking over a school.
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@Tim
I would like to refute several of your points:
1. Charter schools are not deeply popular in New York City. Maybe they are deeply popular among the families who attend them, but I would refrain from extending your personal experience to the entire population.
2. I looked at the article you linked about the McDonalds worker. Washington Heights is now an unzoned school district. To make the assumption that all charter schools up there are not DOE schools is incorrect. Some of the charter schools there are DOE schools.
3. Your assertion that NY state has stringent regulatory oversight of charter schools is just wrong. The state says they don’t have jurisdiction. The mayor and the DOE are not in charge. If a family has an issue with a charter school, according to the SUNY Charter Institute, they must seek redress through their school. Who is in charge here? If there is no clear line of authority, why are we obligated to subsidize these schools?
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Beth,
Clearing one thing up at the outset—my children, along with Diane’s grandchildren and about 1 million others, attend NYC DOE district schools.
1. By any measure—applications, public opinion polls, the approval rates and election results for politicians who are pro-charter—the majority of New York City residents, and even New York City residents who are public school parents, strongly support charter schools. In the most recent public opinion poll that I could find, 79% of all New York City residents said they would like the number of charters to increase or stay the same, vs. a mere 14% who wanted fewer charters. http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/new-york-city/release-detail?ReleaseID=2022. There are about 84,000 children in NYC enrolled in charter schools in grades K-12. This is about the same number of children enrolled in the entire Baltimore, MD, public school system.
2. Incorrect. The parents who were bent on keeping a deathlike vise grip on the carefully protected zoned borders of PS/IS 187 prevailed—District 6 in Washington Heights is NOT unzoned. Check the 2014-2015 Manhattan elementary school directory. The charter schools located in District 6 that are open to kindergarten-aged students are authorized by either SUNY or the Board of Regents, not the DOE.
3. Just because charter schools have an oversight and regulatory structure that bypasses the mayor and DOE does not mean they do not have an oversight and regulatory structure, period, or a clear line of authority. Charter schools were invented precisely to create a form of public education that isn’t under district control. I will also add that it is far from clear or simple for a DOE parent to get help with an issue that can’t be resolved at the school level. Finally, charter schools receive much less per -student funding than NYC DOE schools.
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Charter schools were invented precisely to create a form of public education that isn’t under district control.
I thought the release of district control was to allow charters to experiment with innovative teaching methods and the best practices would be implemented in traditional schools.
Is that correct?
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It depends on the state and the locality within the state. Look up your local and state laws about charter schools to see what they are allowed to do.
It is one thing to have freedom to choose teaching styles. But it is something entirely different to have the freedom to spend tax dollars as you please with no accountability as to how much goes towards the students’ education and how much goes to a private entity to be pocketed or invested in real estate rather than education.
Even bad laws can produce good charter schools, depending on the true motivation of the directors. Most certified teachers at charter schools are no different than those at any school. They want what is best for children and they are working hard under often terrible conditions.
There are well established charter schools that have been around for years. In this blog, the types of charter schools to which objections arise are clearly named and their behaviors are pointed out. For profit chain chartérs that use tax dollars to become wealthy school “owners” are being taken to task.
All one has to do is look locally to see if those kinds of schools are present. Look at the state laws governing their operations if you aren’t sure of their validity. Look for accountability. What may seem like a viable option may be a for profit scam.
It is interesting to note that in the situation involving Gulen schools, it isn’t easy to trace the information. The names are chosen to portray an intent and then there are layers of names and ownership that disguise the connection to Gulen unless one decides to examine the facts and trace the history of the ownership.
When there is a lack of transparency pertaining to the expenditure of tax dollars, then there is a problem. If a charter school is above board on their openness about where their money goes, then there is less or nothing to be concerned about.
No one on this blog is trying to broad brush all charter schools as “bad”. There is, however, an effort to ferret out thevscam artists and the deliberate efforts to undermine traditional public education by certain chains and behaviors.
If everyone does research in the localities and states in which they live, the truth can be compiled.
I do not believe that the general consensus if those who post here is one that condemns true innovation, dedication to education, love of children, academic excellence, providing for the whole child, offering a well rounded educational experience to be a bad thing. If people have been here for 2.5 years, they can see that.
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@Tim
You can trot out all the statistics you want, but to say charter schools are “deeply popular” is an overstatement. They are popular among some parents, and that’s really all you can say about it. At our nursery school, of about 50 graduating children only 2 went to charter schools over the past four years.
If in D6, none of the schools are run by the DOE, why then make the snarky comment that the mother did not apply to any DOE schools, when in fact she couldn’t? If D6 is only non-DOE charters, that in itself I find discriminatory.
While the DOE may be bureaucratic, there is a line of authority and someone is in charge. I do not see that with charter schools and I have looked through the SUNY Charter Institute regulations. If such a hierarchy exists, please spell it out.
Also, your assertion that charter schools receive less funding than DOE schools is false. Maybe they receive less funding than some DOE schools, but not all. I’ve heard estimates that my children’s school only receives $5-7K per child from the DOE. That is less than your charter school average. Not to mention, if billionaires like Eli Broad are supporting charter schools, why should they need any public funding at all?
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An editorial in today’s Albany Times Union by Demos fellow Richard Brodsky included a fact that I did not realize:
“Under President Bill Clinton, a tax break called the “New Markets” tax credit has provided a 39 percent tax break for hedge funds that invest in charter schools in underserved communities.”
After reading this, I’m not surprised to read that Bill Clinton is inclined to expect good things from charter schools? It looks more and more like the legacy of the Democrats will be for-profit charter schools. http://waynegersen.com/2014/10/06/bill-clintons-legacy-for-profit-charters/
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In Ohio, it is NOT the Democrats, it is the Republicans.
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“It looks more and more like the legacy of the Democrats will be for-profit charter schools.”
Well, it was bipartisan. Along with invading Iraq and deregulating financial markets. Those are some other great ideas that were bipartisan.
“Bipartisan” has (ridiculously) been re-defined as “a good idea”, although it could just as easily mean “a group of people with differing ideology who do something dumb and ultimately irreversible, together”.
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Charters turn into charcoal schools when fly-by-night cheaters bail them out by inflaming their pits that are deemed so useless. It’s like burning the piles of unused charcoals in the woods on a hot, dry summer day…
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The bottomline: it doesn’t really matter whether charter is for-profit chain or a non-profit tiertiary school. Size doesn’t matter if they have so many tiny cells under the same umbrella term. You can change the name to make it look like an independent, separate brand. Founders and private donors can close one and move it to another town without even bother cleaning up the mess.(And hence, no accountability whatsoever.). Small charter? That’s just one of those tiny cells multiplying like a rabbit. They are small and tiny charcoals mass produced for burning consumption.
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TE is correct, I thought a far greater percentage of charter students were enrolled in charter chains and I do appreciate him taking the time to provide information regarding the percentage of students enrolled in charter chains. I’m still not a fan of charter schools because, at least in my area, charters are not doing anything special.
I think strict regulations (with a fully funded commission to make sure regulations are followed) and the elimination of for-profit charters would be a great start. Regulations should include that charters need to disclose the same financial information that public schools are required to disclose.
Next, I would like to see charters prove that they outperform traditional public schools by having students randomly assigned (not by parents entering a lottery). If data-loving reformers want me to believe charters are better, then they need to prove it by accepting at least one class of randomly selected students (from the total student population, not self-selected lottery entrants) and do it with a traditional public school class size. It seems as though all charters are stuck in the very early stages of experimentation and do noting to prove their best practices will work with the general population.
I really fear that charters will be the savings and loans of the next decade and true regulations won’t come until things implode.
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