The North Carolina legislature is deciding whether to back out of the Common Core standards.
As a critic of the Common Core, I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I would be pleased to see a state that won Race to the Top funding telling Arne Duncan “No, thanks,” we don’t take orders from you.
On the other, the North Carolina legislature is so extremist and so hostile to public education that I fear what might be acceptable to them.
This is what it means to be between a rock and a hard place.
Maybe Jeb Bush and the Fordham Institute will talk them out of it and remind them why conservatives are supposed to love Common Core.
Diane Ravitch's blog 
Sounds like Indiana. Don’t hold your breath waiting for something good.
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Looks like crescendo about to explode.
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So far, the states that have said that they are dropping the amateurish CC$$ have simply been following the advice of the Reverend Mike Hucksterbee:
Lie about it. Rebrand. Give them a new name. No one will notice.
Have there been any exceptions to this?
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So, it will be interesting to see whether they actually make any substantive changes.
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Quote from a News and Observer article that worries me:
“Although the bill does delete legislative language referencing Common Core standards, it does not take them out of play right away. Rather, the measure would create an Academic Standards Review Commission to develop standards “tailored to the needs of North Carolina’s students.”
The commission would be part of the state Department of Administration, not the Department of Public Instruction. It would be instructed to finish a first run at revising the standards by 2015, in time for the 2016 legislative session.
The revised standards would go to State Board of Education for approval, but if lawmakers don’t agree with the board’s position, they could override it and enact new standards themselves.”
The part that worries me is this commission who will develop these standards. Who will be a part of this commission? It seems as though we could end up with another mess.
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At least at the state level, there will be a lot of pressure to follow an open process. The further this decision making gets from the local level, the less input there is. As Milton said in the Aereopagitica, “Though all the winds of doctrine were let loose to play upon the earth, so Truth be in the field, . . . [l]et her and Falsehood grapple; who ever knew Truth put to the worse, in a free and open encounter?
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I think public education will always be a mess, concerned mom. Until the day we are all one race and one faith.
But to me, that mess is better if sorted out by the people in their own state, and not by one single answer imposed (even under the guise of voluntary) on a state. It feels so un-American to me.
At best, I believe, the path of going forward in public education (which is the only way to go) is never a straight line (as CCSS would propose that it CAN be), but always a chevron pattern working up towards equity, and then back down towards equality (and equality almost always means “the pecking order.”)
That’s it. That’s how it is and that’s how it always will be. It’s like sailing a boat. You have to tack sometimes. You have to tighten your sail, and you have to loosen your sail. Sometimes you can put up your spinnaker, other times no. Sometimes there are storms, other days perfect sailing. But it will always be a work in progress and new sails will always be needed and the deck will always need scrubbing. CCSS proposed otherwise and therefore anything but it sounds good to me.
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What looks like a mess is creative polyculture, and it’s a good think. Complex,evolved, local ecologies are much healthier than are monocultures.
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It will always and should always be a work in progress, and what we do should always depend upon the local conditions. One size fits none well. The sailing metaphor is dead on. Giving more tests and doing more test prep with students living in extreme poverty is a lot like polishing the brightwork when there is a gaping hole in the hull and 25-ft seas.
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Bob, yes. Exactly.
The Common Core has actually bothered me the most of any of the education sweeps in the last three years. It is what sent me searching for answers. It is NOT what concerns many other people, but I am accustomed to being in tune with perceptions I have that are not obvious to other people (what I lack in many areas of prowess, I make up for in good instinct on BS). Am I patting myself on the back? No. I’m just encouraging myself to keep trusting my instincts out loud and in writing.
What CCSS tries to do, in a way too sensational manner (another thing we should be skeptical of, always) is say “tomorrow we can rest on our laurels.” BS!!! Tomorrow we can go to work, same as today, and there will be work to do. CCSS is not going to change that. CCSS is a tunnel. Education should be sailing. It is like taking the Chunnel, instead of a boat. OK, fine, the Chunnel has its merits. But if I had to choose a life inside a tunnel or one in a boat, with stops on beautiful islands, I’d take the boat. . .even with its unpredictable instances, its possibility for storms and capsizing . What is life otherwise? A drive in a tunnel? No thank you.
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this is wonder-full
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I guess my choice of the word mess was wrong. WHat I meant is we could end up with another set of standards that make no sense and were developed in a logical manner by qualified people.
I don’t trust our administration because of their past history (and unlike mutual funds, I do believe past performance is an indication of future results). I worry they will develop standards narrow in ideas and will not include potentially “offensive” reading suggestions for high school students. I worry ALEC already developed standards that states will pass off as their own.
This is an administration that claims they want states rights, but have passed laws forcing local governments to extend utilities to developments the local council already rejected. I just don’t trust that they will come up with something better or be open to listening to others. This is an administration that took over local control of water in some areas.
Why should I trust them now? I hope I am wrong and this time they actually want to do right.
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concerned mom:
I quote my favorite hip hop artist, Wyclef Jean:
“election day. . .who you gonna vote for?”
Politicians come and go. CCSS was meant to be forever. I go with option A.
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I agree with Joanna. Whatever they end up creating, maybe it will be a rip-off of Common Core like Indiana did. Maybe it will be something worse. Maybe they will be doing Common Core but not really doing it like Texas. But it will be their own and not under some copyright. I think this is going in a good direction. If their standards are bad, they will have the ability to fix it, they will not be locked in to any MOU or federal mandate. Ultimately – this is the way it should be.
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Well said, Jen. One of the most powerful forces shaping human interaction is social sanction, positive or negative. And that’s what goes wrong when decision making is distant–there’s no social sanction. Local democracy is messy, and its excesses need to be checked by rights legislation and enforcement, but it involves social sanction in a big way. If the local standards are shoddy, people will know, and they will be heard, and they will improve over time. So, yes, they are better than a national bullet list.
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With legislatures like this and their supporters/funders, it’s important to ask “ok, after you dump CCSS, what do they plan for education?”
These are the same people who want vouchers, tax credits, public funds for parochial schools, prayer and Bible classes in school, creationism, back to basics, and more.
And in NC, they’ve already taken the great step of re-introducing cursive so “students can read the Constitution”.
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I hadn’t heard anything about the cursive part. When did this happen?
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The state House of Representatives unanimously passed legislation Thursday requiring North Carolina elementary school students to learn cursive handwriting and to memorize multiplication tables.
The “Back to Basics” bill would once again make cursive handwriting a part of the curriculum for the state’s public elementary schools. The State Board of Education would be expected to make sure that public schools provide instruction so that students create readable documents in cursive by the end of fifth grade and have memorized multiplication tables.
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/04/04/2801884/nc-house-passes-cursive-handwriting.html#storylink=cpy
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About 2 years ago they passed a law requiring 3rd grade teachers to teach cursive and multiplication. When that happened all I could think of was that for 36 years I was way ahead of the times.
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Concerned mom–
That’s not a big deal. They want to learn cursive and most don’t anymore. And I think they do need to memorize their multiplication tables, just like if they are going to play an instrument they need to memorize their key signatures (or at least know the little tricks to derive the answer quickly, like with learning your nines and so forth). If that’s what these guys want to accomplish, whatever. Let them. If they declared every Saturday to be barbecue day. . .fine. Let’s not get upset over small things. At least that is a NC law and not a federal one. We can work with it!
I recommend to you Tom Eamon’s THE MAKING OF A SOUTHERN DEMOCRACY. It will put things in perspective for you in terms of NC’s political history. Mandatory cursive and multiplication memorization beat the heck out of CCSS and then we can elect new leaders who actually graduated from colleges that demanded cerebral processing from them and take it to the next level AS NORTH CAROLINIANS. Otherwise, how about we just be a big country with no states?
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Joanna,
Thanks for the reading recommendation, I will check it out,
I guess I don’t understand why they need to pass a law dictating what my child needs to learn. Cursive is nice, but I don’t think politicians need to decide if my child learns it.
However, you are correct it is only a small thing and my child seems to enjoy attempting cursive (no formal instruction yet)
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Even a stopped clock is right twice a day ⌚ ⌚ ⌚
(Unless it’s on military time, and then only once ⌛ ⌛ ⌛)
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lol
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My hope is that we simply go back to our old Standard Course of Study (SCOS), and make minor adjustments as needed.
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I agree. I have been told by MINORITY teachers that “what we were doing was working.” So, if CCSS is really supposed to help minorities, let’s listen to some minorities on the subject.
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One day, perhaps, we shall see a state choose not to promulgate yet another amateurish bullet list but, rather,
to put forward a number of dramatically differently conceived, alternative, open source, voluntary frameworks for each domain within each subject area;
to invite researchers, scholars, and practitioners to critique these and to suggest others on an ongoing basis; and
to invite schools to adopt and adapt particular alternatives as they see fit.
When that happens, we shall finally have put the undead NCLB behind us–the nightmare of Ed Deform based on top-down, mandated, invariant, extrinsic punishment and reward systems based on bullet lists of abstractedly described “skills” and standardized testing.
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and to recognize that the process, as you described, as no end! There is no top.
There is no top. Therefore, we cannot race to it.
What’s top today, is bottom tomorrow.
I am embarrassed that we even have to have these conversations.
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My favorite protest sign ever read,
“I can’t believe I am still protesting this &$$@*&@*&!!.”
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That is how I feel. Although, I don’t really protest. I keep it to myself unless I’m on a blog meant for that type discussion (as here), or if someone asks. I figure people will figure it our well enough, in due time. And they are. But I can tell you I will keep a close watch on what is required of my children due to CCSS.
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“Maybe Jeb Bush and the Fordham Institute will talk them out of it and remind them why conservatives are supposed to love Common Core.”
Bwa ha haaaah!!!! *ahem*
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Ms. Ravitch is now beginning to see that rabid resistance to the Common Core standards could have a potentially much more dangerous outcome (to use her own words): “subsidized privately managed charter, schools, voucher schools, online academies, for-profit schools, and other private vendors.”
North Carolina, like many other anti-Common Core states, are looking to not only take power away from teachers, but also take power over curriculum. The Common Core, no matter how flawed, is the final hope for a public school system under attack.
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Andrew, I don’t agree. The destruction wrought on North Carolina teachers and public schools will not be stopped by adoption of the Common Core. What is your logic? The NC legislature has passed law after law taking away rights from teachers; will Common Core reverse that? The NC legislature has passed laws welcoming charters, including for-profit charters, and authorizing vouchers. Will Common Core change that?
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A lot of the teachers I know who decided to move on from teaching did so because, mostly, of Common Core.
I still think this is a good thing. I don’t find it being stuck between a rock and hard place at all.
To me this is like a family getting back the right to make up their own minds about their own business, even if five out of seven brothers have strange views. NC is learning some lessons, I think, and we can deal with the other stuff. But a national curriculum is not what I want for my children.
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The Common [sic] Core [sic] is by no means “the final hope.” If so, then God help us. A much stronger alternative would be open source standards and frameworks. See my more extensive description of that alternative below.
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I like your open source idea.
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Thank you, Mike, but this is not my idea but one that has been floating around for some time now. Diane featured a post from someone else about this. I’ll try to find it.
Of course, what we really need is a mechanism by which we can draw upon, continually, the best thinking of scholars, researchers, practitioners, and curriculum developers, and an ossified bullet list is not the way to do that.
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Here’s Diane’s previous post about this idea:
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The Educational Publishing monopolists will HATE this idea because they want a single set of national standards to tag their assessments and computer-adaptive software to. But, of course, we can have computer-adaptive software and assessments without having an ossified, invariant, inflexible, groupthink bullet list.
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We still have laws separating church and state. They are not going to turn NC into a church. Albeit, consider the name of our most liberal university town: “chapel” hill.
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I am still an optimist in this regard! Odd because I am rarely optimistic about anything, but I see this as a GREAT step in the right direction. I see a groundswell of parents who are starting to realize what is going on in the classroom is bad, bad, bad and are pushing our representatives to provide more support for our teachers. Getting rid of CCSS is a good place to start. If we continue to stand together and make our voices heard (in the ballot booth) I think we can turn this ship around. Demand representatives who will fight for public education. Make this issue your top priority when deciding for whom you will cast your precious vote and we can get back on track. I’m also a realist so I know it won’t happen overnight, but what’s that quote about every journey starting with the first step. This could be our first step, let’s not trip!
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Please take the time to read, sign, and circulate the petition entitled:
STOP COMMON CORE TESTING.
Go Tarheels! From Mount Mitchell to the Atlantic Ocean, be the “First in Flight” from the Common Core. Stop the corporate control of public education Thank you.
http://www.petition2congress.com/15080/stop-common-core-testing/?m=5265435
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NY teacher – Thanks for that link. I will admit, I’m not one to sign petitions because if I don’t agree with it 100% I can’t justify giving my signature but this one is spot on. I have signed it and sent letters to my representatives. Fingers crossed. Thanks again.
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Thank YOU!
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Diane, our legislature is obviously seeing the light when it comes to CC. A democrat representative from Matthews NC was quoted as being against dropping the CC…so she is still drinking the juice. I have written the legislature again last night and told them my opinion: that the next step is to stop evaluating teachers and schools based on the flawed CC tests. if the NC bill passes they can supposedly make some changes to CC immediately. I hope this will be one of them. I sent them an article about Tennessee. Btw, according to an email I received from Larry Pittman (I’m on his email list). He wants teachers and education experts to help….call him….it would be great to have you on board with this process in NC! from what I have heard from Larry Pittman…u may not like him…but when it comes to the ills of CC he gets it! Now, if I can just get them to treat teachers better….I’m trying!!!!
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Democrats like the CCSS juice because it seems like an elixir for poor people, with a nice froth for those in charge.
It ain’t.
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The rub here is that the legislators who are pushing to drop CCSS want to create their own standards–not under the Department of Public Instruction, but rather, within the Department of Administration. Before our court-ordered injunction on the voucher program, the DOA was going to administer that program too. So slowly, but surely, they’d like to remove all authority from DPI.
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Maybe I’m naive but I understood the article to say that the new standards will be written with the input of educators. My concern is they will do it too fast and we’ll end up running around trying to put things in order. If teachers are involved in creating new standards and implementation is done methodically, I think this could be very good for NC. Who cares under what department it’s created if the people creating it know what they are doing?
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This legislative action allows North Carolina to develop its own rigorous standards, created by its own teachers, school administrators, business leaders and parents,” Forest said in a statement.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/04/24/4863727/nc-committee-recommends-replacing.html#.U1rSNfldUuN#storylink=cpy
I agree, the key being if people developing them know what they are doing.
I wonder how much input parents and business leaders will give. That could be a problem.
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But the beauty is the debate will be on a state level. That’s so much more manageable and likely to lead to more input from citizens than the CCSS nonsense.
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The concept of common core, improved literacy & math analysis education, is a progressive issue. True conservative (IMO) teacher/educators want to preserve the teaching of arts, history/civics, and physical education.
I’m a “conservative” (use whatever interpretation you want, I don’t care) and a teacher. I teach US History. We have always had “literacy standards” in addition to content standards. I’m excited about common core because of it’s focus on literacy. The parts about common core I do not like or agree with are:
a. the use of common core to camouflage the assault on professional teachers
b. the monetizing of education
c. the dehumanization of the education process into a training program for the global economy
d. the covert violation of Brown vs Board of Education through Charter School authorization.
The deformers are served best when we continue to use political labels instead of coming together as educational professionals.
United we’ll stand, divided we’ll fall into a pit of VAM!
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Here’s a challenge that no proponent of CC has met yet. Please post the one, most amazing, innovative, Earth shaking CC standard that demonstrates just how college and career ready kids will be thanks to the wizardry of David Coleman. And be sure it is original, nothing that teachers have been doing all along. Now, GO!
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Well said, Jim!
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We have to remember that the Common Core Standards are central to the Race to the Top “packaging” that includes the teacher evaluations which are tied to the PARCC testing results.
If we are to “save” the public school system, we must cut off all three heads of this “reform” snake and return control to the local school systems.
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Indeed.
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The Common Core is so COMMON that it will NOT meet the needs of the future. It can’t. It’s not forward looking nor does the CC promote creativity.
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exactly
Completely lacking in imagination. Think of what a garden of possibilities this could be!!! Instead of this hackneyed list, we could have many alternate learning progressions in each domain, informed by the best thinking of our most creative and knowledgeable researchers and scholars.
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Oh and when the politicos and deformers talk about RIGOR, all I can think of is RIGOR MORTIS.
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Yvonne Siu-Runyan: TAGO!
Although when I, er, think about it, the self-styled “education reformers” want to mandate for OTHER PEOPLE’S CHILDREN the kind of training in low-level skills and obedience that would lead to “rigor mortis of the mind.”
That’s so future generations won’t develop the kinds of critical and independent thinking skills that are making it so difficult for them to impose Commoners Core and VAM and merit pay and “choice not voice” and the like.
For example, as NY Commissioner John King said, CCSS and Montessori are practically one and the same! And the reaction that poor man got to such an “informed” assertion… Sheesh! You’d think we live in a democracy or something…
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I am working on a doctoral research project inspired by Diane’s book, Death and Life of the Great American School System (2011). If the public school system–as many of us knew it, at least–is dead or near death, it would stand to reason that public school teachers who remember the system as it was prior to No Child Left Behind (2002) have experienced loss and grief. If you remember what it was like to teach prior to No Child Left Behind, if you feel as if teaching completely changed when No Child Left Behind was implemented, or if you ever felt saddened by some of the changes that resulted from educational reform, then you may be interested in taking my survey.
Professional Loss and Grief in Teachers (a survey)
https://ndstate.co1.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_5nCLnPAFadWZX93
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Why are conservatives supposed to like common core?
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Because it has the qualities of bovine excrement.
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Duane strikes again!!
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TAGO.
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This has never made sense to me, either, tutucker. The very people who have a knee-jerk opposition to centralized, federal regulatory mandates are the ones who are supposed to like this stuff. Well, many do not. Interestingly, the Kochs are Common Core opponents. So at least they are consistent, there, in their disdain for distant, centralized micromanagement by the feds.
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Not all conservatives love common core!
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Many, of all political persuasions, object to the CC$$.
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This is excellent news. It’s sad that many progressives in North Carolina aren’t supporting this. It’s understandable that progressives have a knee-jerk reaction to anything the right wing legislature does, given their track record. However, ending Common Core or Crappy Core as Bob Shepherd would call it is a good step in the right direction. Dan Forest, the Republican NC Lt, governor has called for raising teacher pay. Forest is a big part of the reason the legislature has taken this step
http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/12/25/3485327/dan-forest-looks-to-make-good.html
Lt. Gov. Dan Forest made a bold declaration: Make North Carolina teachers the highest-paid in the nation.
“A one-size fits all approach to educational standards is just plain un-American and just plain won’t work in our diverse country,” said Lt. Governor Dan Forest.
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I’m an independent and you stated it correctly, their track record makes me doubt their ability to come up with acceptable standards.
I find it humorous that Lt. Gov criticizes ‘one size fits’ all considering all the cookie cutter ALEC laws his party has passed.
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I agree, but considering that the alternative is sticking with Common Core this is still good news. If this doesn’t pass then NC is stuck with Common Core. If it passes then there is a chance for something better.
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All Right, Lt. Dan is back on the scene. I thought it was Gump who simplistically thought these thoughts.
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That’s kind of an insult to Gump……
‘His first bumper sticker said “Forest for lieutenant governor.” It was a bit of a flop. Then came “Run, Forest, Run.”’
http://www.hickoryrecord.com/news/article_b1c97240-ef5f-5de3-95b3-cbf0e8a78d1a.html?TNNoMobile
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xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx It is said that Art Pope runs things in NC; he is a close associate of the Koch Bros, who, though they haven’t come out publicly against CCSS, give much money to anti-CCSS groups. In view of NC ed policies 2013 (https://dianeravitch.net/2014/03/06/ladd-and-fiske-a-guide-to-what-happened-to-public-education-in-north-carolina/)
it is hard to imagine NC’s ‘political appointees’ will come out with better stds– tho one can hope that a groundswelling of teachers and parents will insist on inclusion to writing those standards. NC does have a recent previous history of improving its public ed. Meanwhile, I’m happy to add them to the stats of states dumping CCSS whatever the motives…
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It will not be news to those who frequent this blog that I am an opponent of the backward, hackneyed, unimaginative, amateurish, stultifying, misconceived, frequently prescientific, curricula-and-pedagogy-narrowing Common [sic] Core [sic] in ELA.
However, if a state simply plops another long, invariant bullet list of abstractly formulated skills down in place of this one, little will be gained. There will probably be more transparency in any process undertaking at the local level, and this is a plus, but the biggest problem is with having, in the first place, a single, invariant bullet list so conceived. Kids differ. Nothing should be ossified. Guidelines followed by teachers and curriculum developers need to be broad enough to provide the degrees of freedom within which informed, research-based curricular and pedagogical innovation can occur.
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Here’s an alternative to issuing a single bullet list of standards:
An open-source wiki to which are published, for every domain, in every subject, for varied learners, at every grade level, VOLUNTARY, COMPETING, ALTERNATIVE
standards
frameworks
sample lesson plans
model curricula
learning progressions (aka curriculum maps)
pedagogical techniques, strategies, and rationales
model assessments (diagnostic, formative, and performance)
texts
in a variety of formats (including video)
prepared by various members of the community of independent scholars, researchers, curriculum developers, practitioners (teachers, curriculum coordinators, other administrators), and professionals in other relevant fields (e.g., linguists, child psychologists)
Allow autonomous districts and schools to adopt materials from among these and to adapt them as they see fit.
That’s how you get innovation and continuous improvement.
You don’t get it via regimentation, standardization, and top-down mandates from a national OR STATE Curriculum Commissariat and Ministry of Truth, from a national OR STATE curriculum and pedagogy Thought Police.
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If you coupled something like that–an open source portal for the best thinking in the various domains in the subject areas–with a few much-debated, broad guidelines, then something truly wonderful could happen.
Crowd sourcing and open source are powerful tools for refinement and innovation. The top-down bullet list approach is very 20th century. It’s time to replace the antiquated mechanism.
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I have one more analogy, since I am the analogy queen.
I don’t have a problem with National Standards. I loved the Nine Standards for Music Education that were national and adopted by most states that I used from 1998, when I got certified, to 2012 when we had to switch.
But imagine if Yamaha and Kuwai had to send in some money to help save music in the schools and all of a sudden they had twenty four standards, each with seventeen bullet points, that all music teachers had to recite from a script and see if children could recite back (on a piano, presumably) and if they couldn’t the child would have to play it over and over again, lest they be held back to keep playing it over and over again and the music teacher would be removed and they would close down the music room and so forth.
That’s what it seems to be with CCSS, just not in a musical world. Companies that have made their money suddenly are in control of what students should do?
Actually, if Yamaha published a list of music standards they recommended, I would read it and process it and factor it into the equation and be glad for it. But if it were forced down my throat as THE way things needed to be taught, done, learned and recited, well. . .then no thank you. That is not fully living and that is not fully learning. And it certainly is not what music and the arts are about. . .nor anything else for that matter.
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You are the analogy queen, Joanna! That one is perfect!
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It is a bitter type of irony that the objections to Common Core are being argued so poorly, with fallacies layered on top of fallacies. This “petition” is case-in-point. Did a teacher actually write this?
The whole spectacle is embarassing.
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Are you referring to the article or the blog comments? Please elaborate on your point, it is rather vague. To what are you referring with “this?” Which spectacle is embarrassing?
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I agree. The Common Core is an embarrassing spectacle.
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I agree. The promoters of the Common Core have layered fallacies on top of fallacies. That’s the only way to sell snake oil to healthy people.
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andrew. put your money where your mouth is . . .
Here’s a challenge that no proponent of CC has met yet. Please post the one, most amazing, innovative, Earth shaking CC standard that demonstrates just how college and career ready kids will be. And be sure it is original, nothing that teachers have been doing all along.
And yes I really wrote the petition, without any help from David Coleman. 4,272 letters/emails sent to Washington in two weeks. Kind of frightening andrew?
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My primary concern is that the NCGA does not want DPI (the Department of Public Instruction) to write the new standards – the State Board of Ed would have to answer to a politically appointed review committee…one can only imagine what the people who have been trying to gut public education would deem to be suitable standards for the “sound and basic” education to which North Carolina’s students are entitled by the state Constitution. http://www.ncpolicywatch.com/2014/04/24/lawmakers-propose-ridding-north-carolina-of-the-common-core-replacing-with-home-grown-standards/
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