With $36 billion, the Gates Foundation has too much money, too much power, and not enough common sense nor willingness to listen to those who warn that they are doing harm to basic social institutions.
Now the foundation has decided to destroy the civilizing and humanizing mission of higher education, and turn it into a process for acquiring job skills and degrees.
Read this article in The Chronicle of Higher Education. Just as it has done in K-12 education, the foundation has bought the research, bought the evaluations, bought the advocacy groups, and even bought the media that reports on what the foundation is doing.
But as the article reveals, good journalists have a tendency to tell the full story, even if their employer is on the Gates’ dole.
The story is shocking. It describes an experimental online degree program with no traditional professors or courses. “Instead, students progress by showing mastery of 120 “competencies,” such as “can use logic, reasoning, and analysis to address a business problem.”
The Gates Foundation has spent nearly half a billion dollars to remake higher education. Its goal: “competency-based education”…The foundation wants nothing less than to overhaul higher education, changing how it is delivered, financed, and regulated. To that end, Gates has poured hundreds of millions of dollars into getting more students to and through college, in an effort to lift more Americans out of poverty.”
And more:
“Gates’s rise occurs as an unusual consensus has formed among the Obama White House, other private foundations, state lawmakers, and a range of policy advocates, all of whom have coalesced around the goal of graduating more students, more quickly, and at a lower cost, with little discussion of the alternatives. Gates hasn’t just jumped on the bandwagon; it has worked to build that bandwagon, in ways that are not always obvious. To keep its reform goals on the national agenda, Gates has also supported news-media organizations that cover higher education. (Disclosure: The Chronicle has received money from the Gates foundation.)
“The effect is an echo chamber of like-minded ideas, arising from research commissioned by Gates and advocated by staff members who move between the government and the foundation world.
“Higher-education analysts who aren’t on board, forced to compete with the din of Gates-financed advocacy and journalism, find themselves shut out of the conversation. Academic researchers who have spent years studying higher education see their expertise bypassed as Gates moves aggressively to develop strategies for reform.
“Some experts have complained that the Gates foundation approaches higher education as an engineering problem to be solved.
“Most important, some leaders and analysts are uneasy about the future that Gates is buying: a system of education designed for maximum measurability, delivered increasingly through technology, and—these critics say—narrowly focused on equipping students for short-term employability.”
There is only one thing wrong with the Gates plan to remake higher education. It will turn higher education into job training and ruin the institution that has elevated the intellect, imagination, aspirations, and creativity of millions of Americans.
As usual, Gates begins his restructuring program by claiming that higher education is “broken” and he knows best how to fix it.
“”The education we’re currently providing, or the way we’re providing it, just isn’t sustainable,” Mr. Gates told the Association of Public and Land-Grant Universities last year. “Instead we have to ask, ‘How can we use technology as a tool to recreate the entire college experience? How can we provide a better education to more people for less money?”
And as he did in K-12, he buys up everyone and engineers the appearance of a consensus:
“In the nation’s capital, the flow of Gates money indicates a desire to reroute another economic artery of higher education: federal financial aid. The foundation has paid millions to an array of groups that argue that the $188-billion-a-year federal aid system is broken, that it should accommodate experimental programs like Southern New Hampshire’s, and—most controversially—that it should be restructured to foster college completion.”
And more:
“”They start with the assumption that something is broken,” says Patricia A. McGuire, president of Trinity Washington University, which serves low-income women in the District of Columbia. “Then they take the next step of deciding what the fix is before they really understand the problem.” Skeptics say such confidence is dangerous when dealing with complex social phenomena like education.
“What’s striking about these concerns is how rarely they are voiced in public. In elementary and secondary education, where Gates has a longer track record, the foundation’s activities generate growing criticism. It comes from liberals (who say Gates is trying to privatize education and is attacking unions) as well as conservatives (who say Gates and President Obama are in cahoots to federalize education through the Common Core learning standards).
“In higher education, many leaders and faculty members voice concerns about the Gates foundation’s growing and disproportionate impact. Many private-college presidents, in particular, feel shut out of discussions about reform. Yet few of those critics speak out in public, and some higher-education leaders, researchers, and lobbyists were reluctant to talk on the record for this article. The reason? They didn’t want to scotch their chances of winning Gates grants.
“The silence extends to research. Mr. Thomas edits The Journal of Higher Education, one of the field’s leading periodicals. During his two years as editor, he has yet to receive a well-developed manuscript on the role of philanthropy in academe—even as Gates and its allies wager enormous sums to alter the fundamentals of higher education.”
Can anyone speak honestly to Bill Gates before he turns American higher education into a giant industry committed to building skills and competencies instead of fostering intelligence, ambition, and innovation? Does he have any idea of what he is doing? How can a democracy function when one man with $36 billion assumes the right and the power to reshape key institutions?
“And Gates is just getting started, with 15 years to go on its investment in higher education. One former program officer says Gates has deliberately gone slow at the start of its postsecondary push, to avoid repeating mistakes it made at the elementary and secondary level.”
When did Gaes admit to making mistakes?
Gates is one of the most self-serving, arrogant, mean-spririted person who is out to destroy public education for control and $$$$$.
Gates admitted his push for small high schools was ineffective, because test scores didn’t sky rocket, so he pulled back economic support of them.
Meanwhile, some high schools still have that model, which often involves breaking up a single high school building into co-locations of multiple “schools” and they are still paying a high price for multiple principals.
I was a teacher at a large (2200 students) excellent school in NYC that educated diplomat’s children, students who were accepted into Stuyvesant H.S. but opted for my school, students who didn’t make into Stuyvesant and fallback was my school. Some went on to Ivy League schools, medical school, law school, etc. Then Gates decided to give NYC about 50 million for the small school movement. Destroyed my school. Gates admitted his small school idea failed and walked away harmless. We were left “holding the bag”.
We need school leaders, in both higher ed and K-12, with the courage to put the principles of learning above grant money.
Why we listen to a college dropout who designed Windows when it comes to redesigning education is just beyond me. The article points out the Gates strategy: start by painting the thing you are trying to plunder as broken, thereby simultaneously devaluing it and making its defenders look self serving. It’s pretty brilliant, actually.
If Mr. Gates really wants to use his money and power for good, why doesn’t he try to fix the House of Representatives?
That’s what I can’t get my head around: How in the WORLD does Gates think he’s knows what he’s doing? He didn’t go to public schools and he dropped out of university!
“When you’re rich they think you really know…”
Fiddler on the Roof
He doesn’t want to. He has them bought off
Didn’t really design Windows as much as imitating Mac (Apple) OS. Also Gates sold the DOS to IBM that made him an instant millionaire in early PC days. Problem was he didn’t have the DOS software but knew who did. Paid the guy about $50,000 AFTER he had the multimillion dollar contract with IBM. Eventually the writer of the DOS system took gates to court and won I think around 30 million. So Gates is nothing more than a shrewd cutthroat businessman who grew up in privileged luxury, attended the Lakeside School, and probably had a connection through his wealthy dad to present the DOS system to IBM in the first place. I repeat: he presented a system he didn’t yet have.
What can we do about this? I have spoken to my daughter about being careful of taking online courses. Unless it is developed by her professor I have advised her not to take them.
I think that trying to prevent this experimental degree program from happening would be the worst form of top down management. Let the folks that want to try it give it a shot.
Already happening. In Utah, all students must take the beginning university math classes online. The failure rate has skyrocketed.
If students score 560 on the math SAT or on the math department’s placement exam they skip those courses at the University of Utah.
Most students in Utah take the ACT, NOT the SAT.
There is, of course, an ACT equivalent.
I looked it up. An ACT score of 24 will place a student in Math 1080, Precalculus.
So, TE what should those who do not get that score do? Not go to college? Attempt the classes with no help or support? Those are their two options.
LP,
First it is clear that many, perhaps most, students will place out of these classes and never have to take them.
Second, Salt Lake City Community College seems to offer those classes (along with three levels of math preparation, something called college arithmetic, a fractions workshop, something called developmental math, and pre algebra, all to prepare high school graduates for elementary algebra) in a traditional classroom format. Perhaps the students can start at a community college and transfer.
Third, in the common core threads on this blog many many many posters argue that making sure every student is college ready is not a desirable goal. Perhaps a student who has not taken algebra 2 in high school should not go directly to the University of Utah but start out at a community college and tool up a bit.
This seems deeply counterproductive to me. If it’s offered by a trustworthy institution, why should it be a problem? Respected academics from schools like Harvard and Stanford offer courses on online sites like iTunes U. It’s a fantastic opportunity to broaden your experience.
We have many online courses in colleges and professors are a very important component of them. Gates would like to see college programs comprised of self-paced, self-directed online college courses without professors. That requires students to be autonomous learners who can readily comprehend advanced college level content. I teach such courses online and, in my experience, without teacher guidance and supports, a lot of students would be failing those courses. The high-stakes testing focus of NCLB and RttT does not produce many students who are self-directed learners that don’t need teachers.
I know we have many online courses at colleges and universities. I am teaching one right now.
I’m teaching four courses online right now, as I have for many years. I even have graduate students who may flounder in some courses, without a lot of direction and assistance from me, despite being pretty self-directed learners, because the content is particularly rigorous and more challenging in the online environment.
JustCareAlot,
Out of curiosity, what do you teach? My department is just beginning to experiment with online classes, and only at the undergraduate level.
I have some grad students who are are struggling in Research and Stats online.
What department?
As I have oft said, the only thing worse than a Republican is a CORPORATE DEMOCRAT….
What’s the difference? There is a difference?
The only difference I can see is that Republicans today don’t typically hide their disdain for the working class and poor, while Democrats try to shroud their enmity in disingenuous concern.
Not bad. . . . I agree. Both parties are mainly rotten.
Everyone who has bought any microsoft product should call the company and ask for a refund. I would love to see those call centers light up.
Wouldn’t it be efficacious to have Gates fix Microsoft products first before gumming up education? Wouldn’t it be great to have an alternative to Microsoft or Apple to buy? And while we are at it, wouldn’t this be a dandy time to stop buying from Walmart?
Perfect example of money being the root of all evil. These educational institutions have to stop jumping for every dollar offered them.Sometimes you have to be selective about what you accept. If online courses are the future, make sure educators direct this and not profiteers.
NO, it’s not a perfect example because the aphorism is “For the LOVE of money is the root of all evil”.
But agree with the rest of your statement.
Selective as in don’t take money from the federal government for education when there are strings attached
Perhaps Gates was influenced by Saturday NIght LIve’s Father Sarducci’s 15 minute college education (which included time for a snack). It was a wonderful comedy routine in the 1980s (or thereabouts) and Gates may have used it as a model in his new role as USA Education Pontiff.
The problem in education is just a symptom of a bigger, more dangerous problem. How do we reverse the increasing disparate levels of income and wealth distribution trends? Money is power. It buys political office (Bloomberg), it buys media (Gates), it allows the wishes of a very few super wealthy to override the wishes and needs of the average citizen.
Michael Brocoum,
The changes in public education are indeed part of a much larger picture to redistribute wealth and power in the surveilled United States like never before, even unlike the 1920’s. . . .
We are dealing with brainwiring here, the very silent and gradual programming that is used instead of brute force and guns.
Same result, different means.
I totally agree with you. I have been saying to those who would listen that the destruction of public education is a sinister ploy to redistribute wealth. They are throwing this country into the dark ages. Back then only the nobles and monks possessed all of the knowledge. The serfs and the poor relied on what ever information decimated down as truth and believed whole heartedly. The serfs and the poor were totally exploited and kept dumb to their stated in life. It was a miserable existence for the serfs and the poor. This state is what I believe is the desired outcome to all of this “reform” of our nations education system. If you keep them dumb you can rule without impunity and live larger than ever possible.
Bill Gates needs to buy an uninhabited island in the middle of the Pacific, populate it with clones of himself, and leave humanity alone.
I can think of far more colorful ideas for Bill and Melinda Gates . . .
“To that end, Gates has poured hundreds of millions of dollars into getting more students to and through college, in an effort to lift more Americans out of poverty.”
Hmmm. From my vantage point there are an awful lot of impoverished, unemployed/underemployed people with college degrees and a mountain of debt.
I wonder if Melinda and her clones would get to go too…or if he only needs himself.
“Now the foundation has decided to destroy the civilizing and humanizing mission of higher education, and turn it into a process for acquiring job skills and degrees.”
This is so important to focus on. Higher education – indeed, all education – should foster so much more than “job skills”. What would our society be without poets, dancers, musicians, writers, sculptors, athletes, singers, filmmakers, painters, photographers, actors, dramatists, and designers? Another area that seems neglected – I might even suggest willfully “downgraded” – is history. I am sick of hearing the phrase “preparation for college and career”. We must see our mission as so much more. In particular, we must prepare young people to be aware and knowledgeable citizens. Perhaps Mr. Gates does not want too many people questioning how and why he uses his wealth to undermine democratic policy-making on issues of education. He might characterize his role as “philanthropist”, but I see him as just a 21st century robber baron.
I would be tempted to call the school of music at my university as much of a professional school as the school of engineering. The same, perhaps, as the school for the arts, though of course there is a smaller chance of getting a job as a musician than as an engineer.
“Can anyone speak honestly to Bill Gates before he turns American higher education into a giant industry committed to building skills and competencies instead of fostering intelligence, ambition, and innovation? ”
I regularly tweet him about his over-reaching into American education, but I have no influence and I wonder if anyone does.
Remember that one of the primary aims of the 1971 Powell Memo was to destroy higher education as we know it, in order to infuse right-wing ideologies and corporate firmament in universities. While that was written in a different era, in reaction to activist college students who supported Civil Rights, protested the Vietnam War, etc., colleges are still seen as an incubators of critical thinking, open-mindedness and dissent and not supportive of right-wing conservative policies andr big business. The “reformers” are getting around to higher ed rather late in the game, but with no less commitment and determination in their use of the shock doctrine and FUD strategies implemented in attaching K-12 education. (It may seem ironic that this is being carried out on the other side of the aisle today by avowed Democrats such as Gates, since Powell was a conservative Republican supportive of big business, but today’s Democrats represent corporations just as much as the GOP.)
Once again, it looks like the aim is to remove the teacher from teaching. And what better way to eliminate critical thinking than to exclude the influence of professors from the picture altogether with the use of technology in these “competency-based” online degree programs. As someone who’s been teaching online for years (yes, actually teaching), what this says to me is that earning a degree in the online programs supported by Gates et al will be self-paced, self-taught and solely based on the scores of objective tests. This is much like how the alternate teacher certification program at abcte.org works –which the federal DoE supports. It is an even worse abuse of testing than what’s being done in K-12 education. This leaves a wide range of questions unanswered regarding the true competencies of important content that cannot be distilled and measured by objective tests. (And will they have proctors for every single test, to assure that those taking the tests online are the actual people registered and getting the degree?)
This is the most insidious pandora’s box to be unleashed upon US education ever. It’s no surprise that it is being sold by our country’s wealthiest college drop-out, who is intent on conquering and ruling a world about which he knows very little. God save us from this insatiable billionaire and the lackeys he purchases, who cloak their aims to profit from and destroy American education in euphemisms and altruistic costumes.
The Lewis Powell Memo – Corporate Blueprint to Dominate Democracy: http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/news-and-blogs/campaign-blog/the-lewis-powell-memo-corporate-blueprint-to-/blog/36466/
Sorry for typos
government of the money, by the money, and for the money….
Ironic, that ‘The Great Gatsby’ is revitalized at a time when Gates and a wealthy, entitled, elite are smashing up everything dear to the public and leaving the rest of us to clean up their mess. We could easily change the names of Tom & Daisey to Bill & Melinda.
Spell check -‘Daisy’
Really. I’ve given up on trying to right my typos here.
Note to WordPress: Educators really NEED the ability to edit their posts!
Agreed!
This is just because Bill Gates’ ideas are better than yours.
http://stephenpruis.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/bill-gates’-ideas-are-better-than-yours/
” ‘But that is class warfare!’ you are right. But, hey, they started the war over forty years ago and we haven’t even started fighting back, so I am not talking about starting a class war, I am saying ‘Join the fight . . . or die poor.’ ”
Exactly. But those who are most economically advantaged have got to know that their days are numbered. So, they are functioning at full throttle now, imposing their elitist power in virtually all arenas, as is so evident in Congress today.
Those less advantaged MUST stop caving and rise up against the tyranny of the minority!
Giving students the opportunity to choose a school of type B does not destroy schools of type A. Students choosing only schools of type B will destroy schools of type A.
Will it happen? I think not. Higher education has an amazing variety of schools at an increadable variety of costs. Want an urban living experience? Go to NYU, but be aware that it was recently named the most expensive college in the United States. Want a rural experience? Go to Deep Springs College. We have liberal arts schools, professional schools, commuter schools, residential schools, schools with a few hundred students, schools with 50,000 students, almost any kind of school imaginable.
Words of wisdom from the champion of school choice –no matter what.
NOT. Gates has the money and the power to destroy PUBLIC higher education in America, but less influence over private colleges. Look at what Friedman’s neo-liberal policies did to state schools in Chile, especially in higher education. I can readily see college courses in economics courses becoming totally computerized, with no need for professors i.e., This kind of choice could mean that YOU will soon be out of a job, TE.
Post secondary education does not exist to provide me employment, it exists to educate students. If economics courses can be totally computerized and students learn as much or more from those classes as they do from me, we should do it. I will go and find something else to do.
Start packing.
Right, like you are Mr. Altruism. If you are thinking it will be easy to find a job at a private college, good luck with that. In my experience, not only are they more likely to try to save money by hiring primarily adjuncts, but many hire adjuncts as Independent Contractors, so they don’t have to pay minimum wage, Unemployment Compensation, health insurance, pensions, etc.
I am thinking that the purpose of any system of education is to educate students. What do you think is the purpose of an educational system?
Like Gates, clearly, you are unfamiliar with the many options that already exist for students in higher ed. I have studied in and taught in such programs, at both public and private colleges. This issue is not the same as what you are constantly arguing about regarding K12. College students have many choices and need only look to find them.
I don’t think we disagree that there are many choices.
These types of programs are already out there and have been for years. Ever hear of Western Governor’s University? Pretty much all online. http://www.wgu.edu/
And that’s fine so far as it goes. BUT, we don’t want all of our students doing this. Then, the only ones who will get a decent education will be the ones who can afford private universities. Hello, overlords!
Again, he is starting an online degree program. It will change higher education if successful.
Today, If something is profitable, it will change education.
Why does Gates NEED to start an online degree program when there are already programs available? He has to be the elephant in the room, so will his “wonderful” program drown out the others? He’s done it before. Then, we’ll have LESS choice, not more.
Wow, TE. You are SO amazing.
Teach us your meta-human secrets. . .. PLEASE!
You mean that I don’t think the world revolves around me? Perhaps that is an unusual viewpoint, but it comes naturally to an economist.
“I don’t think the world revolves around me? Perhaps that is an unusual viewpoint, but it comes naturally to an economist.”
B*ll sh*t, TE. We have seen your posts for a long time now and nothing indicates that your one track “choice” mind is selfless. Get over yourSELF.
I try to ignore, but I don’t think he gets its.
He reminds me (in some respects) of the man this post is about.
This was in response to a post about change making my job obsolete. Look around you. Almost everything you do represents a destroyed profession. Drive a car? Think about the harness makers whose jobs were destroyed. Think we will have self driving cars in twenty years? There go all the bus drivers, truck drivers. It will be safer, more eficient, but those jobs will be destroyed.
Do you think we should outlaw progress because it destroys jobs or just outlaw progress if it destroys your job?
TE…you don’t want a conversation. You want to pick apart responses and come up with another question. It goes on and on and on and on and on. You just don’t get it. You never will. This isn’t about our jobs. I don’t have time today. Maybe you too should take a break….go to the beach, read a book, spend time with your sons.
Some have said my posts are self interested in the past, but no one has explained why. Could you?
I have also commented on a variety of topics, not only allowing students to choose schools.
It may be because it seems you ask questions that seem to be designed to divert the discussions away from the natural flow. Some statements you make may feel confrontational or judgmental and sometimes rather absolute instead of open for discussion. I believe this blog was started to create a dialogue about preserving public education, not to advocate for the “possibilities” of choice. All students ought to be able to access an education that is comparable wherever they go. Even the best charter schools are few and far between. Looking at those that DO succeed is a great idea, but to replace public schools with privately owned and managed corporate schools seems to have a negative impact on the majority of students. That’s just my opinion.
Interesting. Could you give me some examples where I changed the natural flow? I had thought my comments were relevant to the discussion.
TE, You are an economist and yet you ignore the importance of the profit motives of business people involved in education “reform.”
You fail to repudiate the aim of increased profits, inherent in the business model in education, over the best interests of students.
You do not acknowledge the disproportionate power that elite billionaires like Gates et al. have on politicians and public policies in education, over the voice and influence of genuine educators, parents and communities.
You do not consider the impacts of privatization and the elimination of democracy from education, or the use of shock doctrine, FUD, and crony capitalism, on the lives of those who are most affected by these “creative destruction” strategies: students, educators, families and communities.
Instead, you discount people’s concerns and proffer that all is good –except for that little “choice” problem that you have– if only we would see the big picture and recognize that destruction means progress. Never mind that the destruction is orchestrated by the richest people in our country, but who are still not wealthy enough and view the rest of us as impediments to their continued financial and political domination.
Most of us here are not economists, but I think that many of us offer a lot more information and insights on the role of economics in education “reform” and our society than you do.
Are people here arguing against the 35% of charter schools that are for profit or are they arguing against charter schools?
If it is only for profit charter schools, then we should have a discussion about why that does not work in education but does work in other essential parts of the economy. I am perfectly happy to have that discussion. If you would like me to start, we can talk about market failures and asymmetric information.
I don’t think you have been hearing people, TE. We are concerned about profiteering from organizations that are classified as BOTH for-profits and non-profits. In many locations, including my district, the state does not permit for-profit charter schools, so they are all non-profits here. However, you would think those charters had won the lottery, paying their non-educator executives and CEOs six figure salaries that are higher than superintendents who run hundreds of schools –and also higher than what the federal Secretary of Ed earns. The school district gives them school buildings for $1 rent and they get huge amounts of free money from the state.
Charters are largely unregulated and it has come out that some have been giving no bid contracts and jobs to cronies and relatives, such as UNO in Chicago, which received a $98M state grant to build two new schools. This has been happening as neighborhood schools are shut down, despite parent and community protests, including 50 schools here, while the city plans to open 60 new charters. It’s a common practice here for neighborhood schools to be starved of resources so they can be shut down and re-opened as charters. (A recent news report indicated that targeted schools are identified on a hit list 10 years in advance of planned closures.)
Charter schools are not the only non-profits that are cashing in big time. Teach for America is another non-profit that has hit pay dirt. They’ve collected $1B in government grants and private donations since established and they now have $350M in assets. They charge school districts finder’s fees for placing their “teachers” with 5 weeks training, while the districts also pay the “teachers” salaries. TFA also has a lot of Execs making high incomes. Here is one former TFAer and employee who describes how distict offices are expected to collect millions in donations that don’t go towards improving what goes on in classrooms: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/07/17/a-former-teach-for-america-manager-speaks-out/
So for profit or not for profit is not the distinction that is relevant to the argument. Is there a distinction you would make between good charter schools and bad ones?
TE, Your propensity to turn discussions around by asking questions instead of addressing issues effectively shuts down conversations.
I’m done, too, Linda!
Turn them how? Is this a thread about students being given the choice of an experimental online degree program or is it just a thread about calling Bill Gates names?
TE,
You do have interesting things to say when you’re not boring people to tears.
I just wish you had more mainstream socialization skills to express them. Your statements are as much a speech act as they are a direct message. People pick up on it. Have you?
I’m sorry, but until you can modify your style of communication, it will be hard to put credence into what can sometimes be listenable rhetoric.
I still think you have the potential to do this, as I don’t all that much for the much missed and dis-like-able Harlan Underhill.
But you strike me as someone with potential.
And if your response to this is a question, it will only corroborate what we are all observing about you.
Socratic techniques have their place, but you can’t mask your true motives behind what is otherwise a serious cognitive and intellectual process. . . .It bastardizes the process.
Teachng Economist, after I read your comment I went back and read the linked article a second time, to make sure I didn’t misconstrue it. Yhe Gates foundation is not talking about the need to add another choice to the market ecology of college education. They are saying college is broken (just like like K-12) and needs to remade in their chosen image. As the author says, “The foundation wants nothing less than to overhaul higher education, changing how it is delivered, financed, and regulated”
Perhaps someone should alert Americans that eliminating music, art and PE at the college level means no football?
If Billy can’t be quarterback nobody can.
They can say whatever they want, but what they are doing is offering another choice to students.
Non-traditional education programs have existed in higher ed for a long time. I earned my BA in such a program, which was established in the 60s and still exists in colleges across the country. It’s a competency based program, but students have ready access to professors and those competencies are gauged by multiple measures, including an oral exam by committee, not by the standardized tests that Gates et al want to impose on colleges.
He can’t impose it on colleges. He can offer an alternative.
Piffle. Gates is working with Duncan and don’t underestimate him. He has already figured out how to circumvent Congress (who might support his actions anyways) and the Constitution. Duncan can make changes to regulations, as he did with FERPA, and impose compliance, such as by making college implementation of their requirements contingencies for students to receive federal financial aid.
Teachingeconomist: Stop fetishizing “choice.” The “choice” Gates is trying to construct is to eduction what Frankenstein’s monster is to humanity, and Gates’s restructuring of finance and regulations would make these abominations the only “choice” available to almost everyone.
Higher education is already about choice. There are no zoned schools. That is why there are such a variety of institutions.
Cut-throat business people like Gates are not about increasing choices. They are about maximizing profits and they will quash the competition and limit choices whenever they can, if that means they can increase their own bottom lines.
We are much more likely to see fewer choices in higher ed, if monopolizer Gates gets his way. He is the master puppeteer pulling the strings of Duncan –both of whom would probably love nothing more than to see standardized testing and data warehousing required in higher ed and receipt of Title IV funds contingent upon them.
Please don’t assume that I am a left wing feminist or man-hater based on what I say below. I am not. I have run these ideas by my husband and he agrees.
I have read so many of the links and posts on this blog. I have been trying to figure out the over-arching reason for much of what we are experiencing in our society right now and how that is manifesting itself in the educational community. If we don’t look at solutions for these problems from the correct lens, it is going to sweep the entire educational delivery system.
My thought is that what we are experiencing is a transfer from a culture based on human accomplishment to a society based on computer/technical data gathering.
This creates cognitive dissonance for many people, particularly teachers/educators, who are people oriented, not data oriented.
I have been telling friends, relatives, and colleagues for about 20 years that there is a shift taking place in perceptions of the purpose of education and employment are in the United States.
My theory then as now is that we are looking at a shift in education from the nurturing, care-giving, loving art of teaching with a recognition of people as individual human beings to a top-down, data driven, technical, efficiency-based inhumane delivery system.
For lack of better terms, teaching has drifted from being matriarchal to patriarchal. I don’t know if this is the precise characterization for what is happening, but it is the feeling I have had for all these years, and I see it manifesting itself in the current corporate driven and privatization of education.
I also see similarities to the Six Sigma perspective in business, dehumaninzing the individual in favor of some manifestation of efficieny and collection of data.
If you look at the teacher evaluation system, for example, humans and their careers consisting of years of nurturing are pushed aside to be replaced by more and more technologies and temporary teachers who will stay only a couple of years. Delivering the information is more important than information itself.
As I was contemplating all this, I was struck by the article about Bill Gates now spending much more of his fortune to dismantle and change higher education as well. Why is that? What is being eliminated? What is preferred? Why don’t we understand this change? Are we just resisting authority?
I think the answer lies somewhere within the extreme male brain that is dictating these outcomes, the brain that operates outside of compassion and nurturing, seeing children and education as commodities. Who can embody this very well? Bill Gates. Some have said he has Asperger’s Syndrome. He is in good company with people such as Einstein. These are people who didn’t fare well in public schools. They are outside of the range of typical learning. And, now, Gates is in a position to try to change education to treat all learners as if they perceive the world as he does. He, with all his cash, has many people on board, especially if they can make money off of the process.
We are upset with the computer testing, the insertion of “must learns” into the curriculum at lower and lower age levels, the heartlessness of the testing process, the fears of teachers to be able to deliver this to students, so they won’t fail and so we won’t lose our jobs.
I struggled with this change as 2014 was approaching, with the absurd ideas about “all students, regardless of limitations MUST be proficient”.
As a teacher with 30 years of experience, many exposures to learning styles and limitations, and a constantly reflective attitude about all these changes, I have to say that it has created panic within my heart and soul. I watch the heart and soul being ripped from the hands of those who went into teaching as a “calling” not as a “this is easy, you get summers off” perspective. It is painful to experience and to continue to watch.
People have asked why there has been no real push-back until now. I believe that it is because teaching has been viewed as a “female” profession, sprinkled with a few males who have a nurturing spirit. There are some subject-oriented teachers, particularly in the high schools. But, it has always been easy to “put down” or “hold back” jobs that are held predominantly by females. They are viewed as “pink collar” and not heavy weight. The teachers’ unions have fought back for wage increases and have helped teachers to reach an income level comparable to the salaries of males in the business world. This hasn’t set well with the business community, driving their worker wages and benefits upward to match.
Now that the economy crashed and many people felt that they could not continue to pay more and more taxes to support having a middle class teaching staff. This has shoved older teachers out the door. Computer driven delivery and constant changes and upgrades have likewise made experienced nurturers throw up their hands in exasperation.
So, I am just saying that as the direction of education comes from the paternal, top-down, controling, unforgiving perspective, the maternal perspective will continue to be squelched. The scales gave tipped towards this business model that many feel is inappropriate for educators and students.
Thanks Deb for well-written remarks from the heart.
I whole-heartedly agree. There are two important parts to teaching: 1) the science of teaching where somethings can be measured and verified; and, 2) the art of teaching which is where the heart of the teacher sets the tone for the culture of the classroom. This is different for every teacher and contains the extra stuff that a teacher does that cannot be measured. It is where relationships are developed and nurtured.
I am a transplant (left the business world) into teaching and yes I did the full immersion teacher certification, not the droplets five week (TFA) method. I am insulted when those not in education tells me what is best for kids. There are so many “talking heads” out now that education has more enemies than friends. I wonder how to stay in a career that I love, when I know it is not going in the direction I know is best for my students.
Thanks again for sharing your heart.
Usually, Gates’ ideas are not from his own original thinking, but come from other sources. Virtually everything he pushes for can be traced to his piggy-backing off of concepts developed by other people. There are many examples of this in his history.
For example, Steve Jobs created the graphical user interface (GUI) for Apple while Gates was still playing with DOS. Eventually, Gates made the GUI in Windows for IBM PCs. (Unlike Apple computers, IBM PCs were open architecture –huge mistake for IBM– and anyone could build clones of them with off the shelf-parts. So, PCs could be made cheaply by anyone, since no royalties had to be paid to IBM, and they were more affordable for most people than Apples, so Gates made his fortune by cashing in big time on IBM’s error –not because of his own ingenuity.)
In education, in the 90s, supported by Annenberg grants, some elementary school buildings in Chicago were broken up into small schools with co-locations –long before Gates pushed for that in high schools. Gates gets off on Sal Kahn’s online math videos and, BINGO, students of ALL ages should be required to take online courses and pass online tests…
Gates is a dilettante in P-20 education and needs to be stopped. (There really ought to be a way to sue him for harassing educators.) My hope lies with higher ed fighting back more successfully than the female dominated K12 education, because college professors are primarily males.
I often wonder if it is because k 12 is dominated by females too. A lot of people are intimidated and afraid to speak up and fight. How can they trash higher ed if they have no test scores to publish? Pretty sad that one arrogant and misguided person can own so many politicians even the ed sec.
I actually think Arne is dumb enough to believe the “deformers” messages.
I only made reference to Gates because that was the topic of the blog. Of course, there are others. And, I see here that others recognize that Gates is an example of someone who doesn’t “get” the human part of educating students. My conclusion is that there is a renewed effort to make the delivery of information for students into a reflection of extreme male thinking, as used on the spectrum defining such. There is a continuum in attitudes about most if not all of the choices we make in our lives. Those with Aspergers are representative of a certain kind of thinking, leaving out the bigger picture. I am not implying that all of these people show signs of Aspergers or autism, but the SHIFT from nurturing to data gathering represents (to me) a shift in the way those with the money and control wish to validate the learning process. We have, in the past, gone too far in the other direction, and public education has tried to seek equilibrium. The stage is now set for the pendulum to swing far to the “accountability through test data” end of the continuum. However, this time, they seem to hold all the money. So, it is more difficult to bring it back.
My belief is that millions of people with a few dollars CAN and SHOULD be able to outweigh a few people with millions of dollars.
One correction. Steve Jobs actually didn’t develop the GUI. He bought the graphical interface from Xerox. Needless to say the engineers/programmers were furious at the Xerox management. Then Bill Gates convinced Steve Jobs to lend Microsoft some Apple computers running the GUI so that MSFT could develop software for Apple. Instead Gates used the Apple computers as a guide to develop its own GUI…Windows!
Thanks for the correction, Michael. I remembered that Xerox was a part of that fiasco but couldn’t recall how –except that the mouse was effectively stolen from them, apparently by Jobs, too.
Actually the story is that the xerox mouse had three buttons on it and Jobs noticed that the folks using the mouse spent much of the time looking at the mouse rather than the screen. What Apple did was to figure out how to make it work with one button, so you would never worry about hitting the wrong one.
Jobs had his people design a mouse that was more affordable, too, but he still stole the mouse concept from Xerox.
I’ve never bought Apple (and never will), so I have no clue how anyone could function without the ability to right click on the second button.
Deb…glad you mentioned Asperger’s. Aspergian’s cannot empathize, and therefore do not relate to human feelings. They learn their behaviors somewhat by rote, and example, but cannot read faces, and also tend to be OCD. Just a brief description, but many of these high tech guys fall into the profile of the syndrome. Take a look also at Zuckerman.
It makes it easy for them to stab others in the back, because they have little human identification and feelings. I would guess Gates’ wife is perhaps also afflicted in this way. But who knows…can it be pure greed?
I brought it up only after researching a bit about Gates himself. For many years, his behavior has been examined and commented upon. There must be a recognition that along the autism spectrum there are many people and personalities, but those have traits that are identifiable. Having taught school for 30 years, I know there are many students who exhibit some tendencies that are never identified as such. Mild cases go undetected, but many times there are very peculiar relationships formed and misunderstandings that occur along the way.
I am only trying to identify the change in the processes that are governing decisions in both education and business, kind of thinking out loud. If the opportunity for those who have awkward and detached views of life experiences to make the decisions that are “good for” everyone, we have a skewed view of humanity as a whole. The computer and tech based industries are run by and receive input from many who simply view the world from a different perspective.
I was trying to draw a connection. When many profiteers see a way to gain capital, they will follow that lead, no matter how connected it is to creating good for the human experiences of most. There is an ongoing shift in how so many things are viewed. I don’t think it is inapplicable to these decisions about education, putting profits before people’s lives. However, I am not saying that there is only one way to look at this, but that this is a suggestion as to what is occurring right before our eyes.
Deb–thank you. Very interesting. I like stepping back to see how this all factors into humans as a whole. Well thought out!
Can democracy and billionaires co-exist?
I think FDR figured out that they are too at odds and cannot co-exist –unless they are required to pay a 94% tax rate: http://flaglerlive.com/26685/gc-fdr-and-taxes/
I don’t want to sound snooty and I-old-you-so-ish, but I have been speaking to college professor colleagues of mine now for years and have been warning them that it’s only a matter of time when this metric-obsessed political climate of public education will permeate public and private higher education. It is inevitable.
Nearly all of these colleagues did not put any credence into what I was saying. I came in like Paul Revere warning them, but because the battle was not in their immediate town, they did not take seriously what was to ensue.
To all of those who teach college full or part time, tenure or non-tenure track, here in the States or abroad:
Forewarned is forearmed. Watch out! Presidents of Universities are going to increasingly take money from reformers in order to finance their campuses and maybe even keep tuition costs lower or reduce them. This is NOT the right way to address the financing of univsersities and colleges at all because it’s blood money.
If those superstar acadmic professors think their realm of acadmic quality cannot change for the worse, they had better think again because the people trying to change the system are not academics by any means, but have and will use a lot of money to fulfill their perverse vision, something they will refer to as “ideology”.
Gag! Choke! Spit!
That’s not to say that all change in higher education is bad, but if anything like the accountability used in public schools and RTTT ends up recycling itself in the higher education realm, it will have devestating impacts on a system that’s already fragile and increasingly inaccessible.
Higher education should be subsidized the way it is in Europe . . . . I am willing to pay for it with my tax dollar, a much better use than giving millions of dollars to Egypt and Syria. Let’s stay right here and educate those already within our own borders, foreign or American. Let’s keep our tax dollars out of war! Let’s put more of those same tax dollars to getting higher education and preliminary remediation for veterans who want to attend college here.
Put down the gun and pick up the book.
Agree totally!
The European model does not seem to have worked as well as the US model. This of course depends on the metric.
It works better there.
Having close friends and relatives in three Western Eurpopean countries, all have gone to get an equivalent of our M.A. or M.S.. All have gone for free or have paid nominal fees. All had to take entrance exams to be accepted. All have had a rigorous, robust, and fulfilling education.
For those people I know who did not go that route, they learned a trade, and their trade schools are more comprehensive than ours, although ours are slowly catching up. Working with your hands is still more valued there, as far fewer manufacturing jobs have been outsourced then here. It’s changing slowly, but they are far better off there than the manufacturing scenario here. The trade schools there were only slightly higher in nominal fees than the college system. Students in either camp in Europe very seldom have to worry about foood, housing, or healthcare. The same cannot be said for here.
Metrics or no metrics, our system of higher education is inequitable and has become classist. I was able to put myself through private college by working three part time jobs. It was frenzied, having majored in archtitecture, but it was do-able. Today, it is inconceiveable. My tuition at a private quality facility was a little over $9000. Today, the same program costs almost triple. I also put myself through graduate school at a public college, and the coursework was very rigorous. .. easy to enter, difficult to stay in, but worth it. I paid under $10,000 for my M.S. in linguistics.
There is plenty of resource in the country of plenty, even with the inherent limitations that face us all according to basic tenets of economics.
What is missing is the political will.
Actually $9,000 would pay a years tuition at my university for the next four years if you are an in state student. We are a public university however, not a private one.
I would not pay a great deal of attention to sticker prices for colleges and universities, especially the highly ranked ones. They offer substantial discounts based on family income.
DIscounts based on income do not make it affordable . . . . And I only pay attention to quality of programs, not labels like “Harvard”
Doesn’t that depend on the size of the discount?
No it does not if the vast majority of similar income families are trying to pay the tuition. . . I am thinking the “masses”, not the contained few in what I believe you are trying to put out as an illustration . . .
Indeed.
My understanding the purpose of “tenure” that so gags these corporatizers in K12 was actually originated in the academy to protect academic freedom (and thus the use of this term or even its concept among K12 is at best a misnomer, at worst really a dangerous trivializing of a very different concept). My dim understanding is that this is supposed to be a place where ideas can be tried out. These tend rapidly to become politically challenging and so the expression of ideas and their trying-out becomes a risky business when one’s job is on the line. Hence tenure, to protect a system where ideas can be vetted without personal job jeopardy. Hey, it’s like “LLC” for businesses, no? That should be something the biz-world understands…
Anyway, they understand protecting their money. But formulating the world in a framework of “ideas” rather than “currency” is just not possible through their lenses.
I agree this is a terrifying development, inevitable though you may clairvoyantly have seen it.
Cheer up, perhaps we’ll all be toast in increasingly out-of-control environmental circumstances anyway. 😉
The dichotomy that always comes to my mind is this: Is the emphasis on teaching the students or teaching the curriculum?
Of course you can do both, but even at the college level, the best professors I had focused on teaching ME over teaching the coursework. It was like that in courses ranging from the humanities to higher mathematics to teacher preparation to computer science. Less skilled professors, in my experience, were more focused on the content over their students’ understanding of that content.
It appears as if Gates is certain that the focus is on the curriculum, with little if any attention paid to the student whose learning must be quantified and measured according to his arbitrary standards.
LHP.
Gates does not pay attention to the student because that would involve a human connection or bond of some sort, and Gates has a condition that challenges this very social skill.
He has parlayed his own issues into a vast empire that now creeps into a field that is ironically humanistic.
It makes him all the more dangerous to society . . . .
College is expensive. Many students do not have a “choice” with regard to which college they attend. They will go to subsidized state schools because those schools are near their home base support systems and are what they can afford. It’s disingenuous to use the term “choice” to refer to using one’s billions to buy wind-up toys in state legislatures to change how state schools operate–to change many of those schools’ offerings to online ones, for example, or to eliminate college remedial classes (another initiative that Gates has been funding). If Gates were funding separate existing or start-up online schools, not subsidized by states, schools that would operate in competition with state schools at a lower cost, for example, then one could talk about the “choice” that he is providing. But that’s not what he is doing.
Gates says that he is data driven. Well, here’s some data for him: Completion rates for online courses are abysmally low. Here is a study of completion rates for online community college courses:
http://ccrc.tc.columbia.edu/publications/online-hybrid-courses-washington.html
Here is a study of completion rates for MOOCs:
http://www.katyjordan.com/MOOCproject.html
Everyone knows this. Kids are MUCH less likely to complete online courses than traditional courses. And they are much more likely to drop out of school and not return if they have taken online courses.
Choice is for the rich . . . . Choice for the masses is specious at best. The only choice we should make is to ensure that every public school has what it needs to provide a world class education.
In another thread, Carol Burris, explained to me that paying attention to strong students would inevitably leave weaker students behind. If the principle of the year in New York does not think it possible to give every student the education they deserve, it may well not be an achievable goal.
My thinking is independent of Carol Burris’s . . . . She alone is not a major determining factor, TE.
Why don’t you have lunch with her some time and or maybe try couple’s counseling. . . . you seem to have such ties with this woman and appear fixated . . . .
She is very far away, but I don’t discount her expertise in public education, and I am somewhat surprised that you do.
Have you given much thought to the economies of scale in education? You want every school to provide a “world class education”. Can a rural school in South Dakota provide the same set of opportunities for a student as TJ high school in Virginia?
I never said I discounted her.
Your reply does not reflect the fair import of language used.
How surprising, given your level of education.
Still, Carol makes many excellent points, but she is not the be all and end all of direction. . . . no one is. . .. all is a collective effort, so what are you referring to? I am confused.
Not that you’re ever cryptic and insignificant in any of this. If only you were more clear.
Economies of scale are made more egalitarian when the ruling elite represent the true needs of the masses, their constituents. They have not . . . not nearly as much as they do, for example, in France.
A world class education is a birthright, and my federal tax dollars need not fund so many other causes and interest groups when more of them should be going toward public education.
The money is here, the will is not.
How much money would it take to ensure that the students at every high school in the country have the same opportunities as students at TJ High School? I really have no idea. Do you know?
How might you find out?
Well lets think a bit about it. Here are the math classes offered at Thomas Jefferson High:
Advanced Geometry with Discrete Mathematics
Advanced Algebra 2 with Trigonometry and Data Analysis
Advanced Precalculus
AP Calculus AB
AP Calculus BC
AP Statistics
Advanced Topics in Calculus (both semesters)
Multivariable Calculus (fall)
Complex Variables (odd years, fall)
Numerical Analysis (even years, fall)
Advanced Mathematical Techniques (spring)
Linear Algebra (spring)
Differential Equations (spring)
Mathematics of Finance (both semesters)
The first three classes would be offered by most schools I imagine, along with lower level math classes. The second group of three will likely be offered by good suburban/urban schools. The two high schools in my town offer them, for example. They are unlikely to be offered in rural high schools so you would have to add staff in case a student wanted to take these classes.
The last eight classes are unlikely to be taught at any public high schools other than qualified admission public high schools like TJ. You would have to add staff to teach these classes should a student come along capable of taking them.
I think you could construct a list like this for the other disciplines.
Does making such a list have any statistical significance in representing a cross section of all such scenarios across the United States?
I could imagine a scenario where the use of technology could be used to supplement education, particularly in rural areas. I know that in the 1980s there were long-distance learning classes offered to rural students in WV. I don’t have any problem with long-distance learning when there are needs that can’t otherwise be met. It is difficult to find people willing to relocate into rural or urban environments when there is no familiarity with the cultures and people. Therefore, some schools simply don’t have the staff or the money to provide certain courses. To me, this is a great use of technology.
I don’t feel that computers should be used to REPLACE education for all students, since I don’t see where it is necessarily “better”. In its proper place, it can be a means to providing a full or more broad selection of courses that otherwise couldn’t be delivered to all students.
You may not have problems with using distance education, but many of the regular posters here do. I find that even suggesting it has any value brings a bevy of posts demanding that all virtual courses and schools be outlawed. I wish you better luck.
You wanted world class. I would say TJ High is world class, but even Fairfax County can only afford to do it in one high school and cream students from adjacent neighborhood high schools. What chance do schools in South Dakota have to offer this set of courses to students in each and every high school?
He didn’t even finish college … wasn’t too broken for him that he was able to succeed without it. I suppose he believes that everyone should strive to be like him or what he defines as an educated person … what is the difference between Gates and Hitler?
“what is the difference between Gates and Hitler?
Nobody ever elected Gates, but the Germans voted for Hitler.
We got a reeeeally bad deal.
Godwin
It was a question about difference, not exactly an analogy of similarity –though this discussion does seem to be coming to an end.
Here are some other differences: Hitler ordered the death of 6.5 million jews in the shoah and Bill Gates did not. Or another comparison, Hitler ordered the the arrest of 100,000 homosexuals where an estimated 60% died, and Bill Gates did not. Or another, Hitler ordered the death of 250,000 to 500,000 gypsies and Bill Gates did not.
Should we go on comparing Hitler to Bill Gates? Perhaps we should compare Cosmic Tinker to Hitler. Just a question about differences mind you. Not really trivializing the death of millions.
Or why don’t we compare him to you, sicko
“Choice” is only about schools, not dictators, so Gates is a good guy to TE and he resorted to the straw man to divert attention away from the fact that his prized “choice” was the difference described. Just ignore him. He’s no different from HU.
Godwin’s law is a straw man?
“The straw man” involves creating the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet inequivalent proposition, “the straw man,” without actually refuting the original position.
The proposition that was originally tendered was regarding Americans not having the ability to choose Gates through the same kind of democratic process by which Germans chose HItler.
So, the issue raised was regarding “choice” –something that is near and dear to TE in regard to schools. He ignored the matter of “choice” and inserted Hitler’s abhorrent crimes against humanity as “the straw man” — an effective diversionary tactic. Now he tosses in a red herring, another diversionary tactic, to suggest this is about Godwin’s Law –still not addressing the original issue raised concerning “choice.”
TE employs a lot of diversionary tactics and pretzel logic. He is not going to change either so, yes, he is most definitely on a par with HU and should be ignored.
Here is part of the Wikipedia entry on Godwin’s law in case you are not familier with it:
Although in one of its early forms Godwin’s law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[4] the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches.[5] The law is sometimes invoked prescriptively to mark the end of a discussion when a Nazi analogy is made, with the writer who made the analogy being considered to have lost the argument.
In 2012, “Godwin’s Law” became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.[6]
BINGO! Another red herring!
AND a quotation from Wikipedia, a source that every college professor worth his salt knows better than to quote, since anyone and his grandchildren can write and edit there at any time.
If you know of a better source on Internet culture I would appreciate the reference.
Typically, we teach students to look at the references cited and try to locate any credible sources there, such as articles from peer–reviewed scholarly journals and writings from the original source, in this case, Godwin himself.
However, CT long ago conceded that the discussion was “coming to an end.” The issue is not Godwin’s law, it’s the one you continue to ignore, choice.
If you want me to go to JSTOR I can, but it is behind a paywall and not readely accessible to everyone. Would it have been better to post one if their stable URLs?
Wow. How dense could anyone be? This is not in regard to Godwin’s Law; it’s about choice. But, if it was about Godwin, one could readily locate his writing from the links provided at the bottom of the Wikipedia article. Talk about being an embarrassment to higher ed.
Ignore mode turned on now.
A comparison to Hitler is never about the comparison. It is about Hitler.
“Never”? You have absolutely no insight into my intentions nor do you understand my point:
The original poster asked about the difference between Gates and Hitler and I’m the one who provided a difference, which was about GATES and how we have never been given any opportunities to CHOOSE GATES to lead our country, by VOTING for and ELECTING GATES to office democratically. I think we got a raw deal because we have been given no CHOICE and GATES gets to lead us anyways, because GATES bought his way through the door. This is about GATES and our lack of CHOICE, not Hitler.
You need to learn more about people and logic.
Yes. Never.
No surprise.
I don’t think too many Hitler analogies cited by Godwin’s Law involve holding up Hitler as a model of democracy –especially by a Jew.
I am Jewish and I was NOT focusing on Hitler, just pointing out that while Americans have had no choices about voting for Gates, Germans got to vote for Hitler –which not a lot of people here realize.
However, as a Jew, I reserve the right to make analogies to Hitler and the Nazis anyways. I don’t subscribe to Godwin, as I don’t think that comparisons necessarily trivialize the holocaust or that discussions should be shut down due to that, because I strongly believe that “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
I have ready posted to much about this.
The thread is closed.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…now it’s opened.
Why is it closed? Who can close it?
What did she say to make you want to close it?
Linda pretending to be TE
Great one, Linda, ahem, TE poser!
He thinks shutting down the conversation gives him the upper hand, when all it did was more clearly reflect the egg on his face and the foot in his mouth.
Dolly, Cosmic Tinker, China Town Res, Teacher Ed, Other Spaces, and Linda,
The best thing you can do about Teaching Economist (TE) is to ignore him.
He is NOT dense. Rather, he is either on a “spectrum” of social skill challenges or he knows exactly what he is doing and attempts to distract, divert, and passive-aggressively affect dialogue with what is too often an marked ersatz intellect.
Now that he is clearly found out, his approach can no longer work. The curtain has been drawn, and we can all see the wizard and his machinery.
Beware that he probably craves all this attention and gets a thrill from it. The hormones are probably surging now as he reads this post.
If he is on the spectrum, one can empathize and recommend counseling.
If he is not on a spectrum, let’s just say that if he were a guest at the dinner table and I were the host, I’d do far more than ask him to excuse himself from the dinner party . . . . . far more.
“The thread is closed.”
Robert, I think ignoring is a good plan, but I wanted to say that I believe the above statement is one of the most revealing TE has ever made here. This is not his blog and he has no authority to close threads. He could have just not replied to further comments, as most of us do, or, after writing that he felt he “ready posted to much about this,” he could have just left it at that.
However, instead, TE issued the declaration that “The thread is closed.” The timing of that was telling, too, considering he had listed statistics of holocaust atrocities, but after CT mentioned being Jewish and believing that conversations should not be shut down (on the topic which he kept insisting this thread was about), because that could hinder remembering the past and result in repeating it, that’s precisely when he decided to close the thread. This sends a message to me that not only is TE insensitive to important issues of concern to others, as has been previously mentioned, but also that he has self-serving narcissistic tendencies, since he was trying to wield power and control well beyond his true sphere of influence by closing the thread then and there.
I have doctoral training in psychology and I would not want to diagnose anyone on the Internet, especially when all communications have been conducted through written language. I would, for example, want to know why a professor would make so many errors here. Perhaps English is not his first language. Or maybe he is strong in Math and communication is just not among his fortés.
So, I would just suggest this. Don’t get caught up on the autistic spectrum, because there are a number disorders with symptoms that include the egocentric, attention-seeking and anti-social behaviors you noted, including narcissistic personality disorder. However, as you have alluded to, it’s important to consider the possibility that no disorder exists at all. Not even every narcissist has a clinically significant disorder. As it happens, for a variety of reasons, we have been seeing increases in narcissism in our society in general.
For more info on this, see: http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/brain-and-behavior/articles/2009/04/21/7-myths-about-narcissism-and-narcissistic-personality-disorder including the link at the bottom of the page to “Narcissism Epidemic: Why There Are So Many Narcissists Now.”
Veteran Educator,
What formidable comments you have made. I agree with all that you’ve said. I am truly enriched by your writing. I want to thank you sincerely for taking the time to craft something so in depth.
I am NOT trained in your field, but from my perspective, all psychological issues can be found on a spectrum. When they are on the weak end of the spectrum, there is no “neurosis” that interferes with happiness and function. When they are on the heavy end of the spectrum, they pose a problem and cause the individual to suffer. Of course, where the threshold gets crossed to distinguish functional from dysfunctional is something I know little about and the psychometrics of which I know almost nothing about.
I was not referring to autism or Aspergers when it came to TE. Although, as an early childhood specialist, the second someone mentions the word “spectrum”, Autism is the first label to come to mind.
I was referring to any condition (again, I am not an expert on such labels by any means) that might characterize TE’s fascinating disconnect when it comes to the style he employs in his communication to other people.
All of the permutations you listed though, are right on the mark for potential analysis of TE.
I don’t think TE is evil (not that I’m saying you think I do), but he is clearly not in my camp of thought, and he does not have the same experience that teachers in public schools like myself do.
However, I am compelled to say that if his kids did not get their needs fulfilled in the schools he sent them to, I do empathize with him and can see his legitimate pain and frustration.
Therein lies the war of philosophy and ideology, no?
Nevertheless, public education must remain as a public trust, a common good, a common wealth, and rather than trying to semi-privatize, privatize, voucherize, and charterize it to fulfill the needs of children such as TE’s in the name of “choice”, all schools should be well funded so that all children can get their needs properly met.
No child should ever have to grow up in poverty in a country where Bill Gates owns 66 billion dollars in personal wealth.
We are a wealthy country, and it is an abject disgrace that government and policy makers are defunding public schools while spending trillions on Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria and is now spending almost as much to surveil its citizenry both in and outside of public education.
There are no excuses. There is only greed, decay, a lack of courage, will, compassion, morality, and integrity.
The United States has, resultingly, become a continental tinderbox . . .
TE is not alone in thinking mainly about himself and his own immediate family. His mindset is not illegitmate; his ability to connect with the family of man is very questionable . . . .
Many of us get caught up in our own worlds. I think that the real issue here is that the purpose of this blog/discussion at times gets derailed. It doesn’t help solve the problem to try to justify our own issues here. We are all mere anecdotes in the big picture. We need to find commonalities. When anyone keeps inserting the same comments repeatedly, it is frustrating, even when there are sometimes relevant points made.
We really need to agree to go forward with the premise set forth by Diane. We possibly should refuse to engage in conversation with those who divert for personal reasons .
As I have said before, there are some good things that can be gleaned from Charter, Private, and Parochial schools, but they should not REPLACE public schools or undermine the ability for all students to succeed. Teachers are not to blame for the ills of society. We really need to look at all the motivations behind all of these decisions. We need to pull all of these ideas together in order to fight off the combined influences of big money and of the tech industry. Utilize, yes. Replace, no.
It is interesting to note that when tech fouls up, the PTB give it a pass and wait to fix tge glitches. When teachers get less than wondrous test scores from their students, tgey need to watch their backs! Somethibg is wrong with this picture…
Another focus is on the process, not the facts. There is a point when students are able to use critical thinking skills to apply to the knowledge they comprehend. Unfortunately, the tests provided seem to think that if the student “really” has the process committed to memory, he/she will be able to apply it to material that is foreign to them. If the vocabulary is unfamiliar, or if the content is boring to the student, the attention to using critical thinking skills to provide “correct” answers will be limited.
College is (or SHOULD be) about so much more than job skills. Diane and many commenters here have talked about the benefits of subjects like philosophy, art, and music.
College should also be an opportunity to become part of a community, to network, and to cooperate. Some of the best learning at college comes from classmates, student clubs, and other extracurriculars. After college, a supportive network of college friends can be as beneficial (if not more so) than the skills that were learned–both for one’s personal life and career.
Reducing college to self-paced “competency modules” performed home alone in front of a computer is sick. Is Gates really so blind to the benefits of human interaction irl (in real life)?
And there you have it … in real life. This new business model is not “real life” for any of us. It only works if you happen to be a computer or think like a computer, with no nuance, no art, just data.
By sucking the creativity and individuality out of teachers, and, therefore, students, we have a mere testing culture that can be applied to all as if we/they are widgets. Without the ability to even “see” the human side, they have marched forward with charts, graphs, data, rubrics, standards, tests that only address a small part of being fully human.
As a teacher, I wanted to help my students become fully human, not only career-ready. We have sacrificed our callings to meet the demands of a culture that DOES NOT understand, because they are incapable, just as we are incapable of buying in to their ideas.
How perfect it is to pull off this coup by ridding the education system of “old school” teachers and replacing them with those who have been properly “trained” to fit the new corporate model.
I don’t blame the TFA teachers. Everyone is looking for jobs and they do go into this thinking they are making a positive difference. But, the truth is, they aren’t.
It just has to be stopped. I have worked enough with Pearson materials to know that they haven’t perfected even their training and practice programs, let alone their ability to create appropriate tests.
Well said, Deb!
Would you close undergraduate engineering schools?
My husband is an engineer, he has a BA and two MAs from top engineering programs. He often describes the team projects, professor interactions, and group study sessions that were essential to his education, none of which would have been possible had be been studying alone in a self-paced online program. He also benefits greatly from his network of college classmates, who remain close to this day (as personal and professional contacts) due to their college bonding experiences.
Gates, Jobs, Zuckerburg, and many other famous engineering drop outs left college to start companies *with their classmates,* who they met *in person.*
In the future envisioned by the Gates Foundation, poor and middle class students will sit at home alone in front of computers learning to create powerpoint presentations (in other words, learn to become office assistants who know MS Office), while a few elites attend top universities where they can be creative, innovative, and have the social interactions that lay the ground work for personal and professional fulfillment.
My reference to engineering schools was related to the idea that education should not be focused on getting a job, not that it should all be moved on line.
Would you?
No, despite it being a school focused on training students to get a job. There is room for a variety of schools.
Gates lives in the 12th century on a flat world. That is really where he is at. He thinks he is a king of old who knows best through Divine Right. You cannot reason with them. Face the fact. That means they must be crushed and their concepts destroyed as trash through real work and proofs which are easy enough against their totally flawed foolishness. We are slowly taking them down in L.A. There is a new board in L.A. If they perform as they should Gates is slowly going away and his ideas and programs. If they do not start to do this war will be declared on the board as it has been until this election. Chicago is showing all the way. Direct confrontation and give no quarter. They don’t, so why give them a break. We do not have the money, we do not control the press thanks to Bill Clinton ending the Free Press with the 1996 Telecommunications Act. We have to do it on our own and this blog is a place where people come together with this mission nationwide. All the major issues are nationwide and actually worldwide as these people operate everywhere. Do not fool yourselves. Charter schools in England are called Academies. Their reach is global both in business and their desire for total domination worldwide. Countries matter not to them.
Academia has been doing itself in for years, without any help from Gates:
“Here is how the internship scam works. It’s not about a “skills” gap. It’s about a morality gap.
1) Make higher education worthless by redefining “skill” as a specific corporate contribution. Tell young people they have no skills.
2) With “skill” irrelevant, require experience. Make internship sole path to experience. Make internships unpaid, locking out all but rich.
3) End on the job training for entry level jobs. Educated told skills are irrelevant. Uneducated told they have no way to obtain skills.
4) As wealthy progress on professional career path, middle and lower class youth take service jobs to pay off massive educational debt.
5) Make these part-time jobs not “count” on resume. Hire on prestige, not skill or education. Punish those who need to work to survive.
6) Punish young people who never found any kind of work the hardest. Make them untouchables — unhireable.
7) Tell wealthy people they are “privileged” to be working 40 hrs/week for free. Don’t tell them what kind of “privileged” it is.
8) Make status quo commentary written by unpaid interns or people hiring unpaid interns. They will tell you it’s your fault.
9) Young people, it is not your fault. Speak out. Fight back. Bankrupt the prestige economy.”
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The moral bankruptcy of the internship economy | Sarah Kendzior (via brute-reason)
unpaid internships are illegal and every company with an unpaid internship program should be sued into bankruptcy
(via jhermann)
Sounds like what it takes to get a job in Egypt, Ecuador, or Uganda . . .
Universities thrive on “development”, and that means corporate donations, thus providing a tax shelter and compromising the institution’s ideological objectivity. Look, for instance, at our (U of A) “Walton School of Business”, or at who funds the Department of Education Reform.
How could anyone with integrity hold up Gates and Jobs as models? Just because they have billions of dollars? How they got all that wealth doesn’t matter? They have engaged in some of the most base, malicious, self-serving, cut-throat business practices one can imagine. And theirs is the business model imposed on education. No wonder our world is upside-down.
The business model to education is like reality TV is to the entertainment industry. The key players are comprised of vain amateurs, attention seekers, back stabbers, dim witted trolls and gossips aiming to increase their bank accounts, while those with talent, training, experience and expertise are wanting for jobs in their own fields.
Choice under Gates vision will be equivalent to the “choice” we have in viable computer operating systems. He will leverage his wealth, weigh the legal costs of illegal practices, crush most options, and have his monopoly. Bill Gates believes in God in a funny way, he thinks he should have the job and be in charge. As his former partner said, he left Harvard because he feared he might not be the smartest person there, he made sure that did not happen at Microsoft. He wants a legacy that will outlive him.
Linda,
When veteran educator said “This kind of choice could mean that YOU will soon be out of a job, TE.”, he made it about jobs, don’t you think?
I’m at the lake TE. Litchfield, ct. Come join me.
TE, You don’t seem to care about the witch-hunt on K12 teachers and now you may soon be hit with many of the same things they’ve been experiencing, including standardized testing, data warehousing, VAM and job loss. And your answer, in not so many words, is that you are basically better than teachers who are concerned about losing their livelihoods because education is not about you.
Well, you may be able to easily find another job as an economist, but most people who’ve devoted their lives to K12 education don’t have another field they can fall back on when they lose their ability to pay the rent and eat, so they are fighting for their jobs and for basic survival. They are also fighting for their profession, because most students are not self-directed learners who can make it on their own online without skilled, experienced teachers –since Gates et al. are pointing both lower ed and higher ed in that direction.
Yep, Linda, you are right. He is very much like Bill.
I think Bill is a lot brighter than TE, but more dangerous.
Don’t be too hard on TE.
From what I understand, 2 out of 3 of his children had IEPs according to a previous post of his (and I mean this with sincere respect now that I’m bringing one’s family into a comment!), and I have always wondered if part of his motivation was that the public schools could not properly address his two children’s needs. If that were the case, I would not be surprised, and maybe the idea of choice and vouchers or charters wildly appeals to the immediate needs (or would have) of TE. . . .
Or maybe charters and vouchers allowed TE to put his two IEP children into better learning environments, a true saving grace for TE.
If the former, TE has an axe to grind. If the latter, he opens up some much needed discussion about how pulbic schools are equipped to handle children who have cognitive issues.
TE can best comment.
In this regard, I would have some empathy for someone who is otherwise a ranter who stokes the coals gently to provoke, has nothing really interesting or terrible contexuralized to say, and has not taught under our circumstances in the era of NCLB and RTTT in a public school. If you reverse “TE”, you get “ET”, and I digest most of his cryptic thinking as foreign and indeed alien to the realities that plague most of this blog’s readers.
Certainly, I am not out to silence him. For such an insignificant thinker with regard to public education, i would welcome his writing any time over the illustrious and constantly-on-fire Harlan Underhill, who, per Diane, may well be haunting someone else’s blog right now with his wonderful cocktails of snake venom, impulsivity, and gasoline.
Not to mention, TE seems so poignantly moved by Carol Burris . . .
TE, you may have developed a fan base for people who oppose your laughable and inarticulate thinking . . . . I should be that lucky. How come YOU get all the attention?
Actually my main frustration, when it comes to the argument about traditional zoned schools, is that so many here applaud Robert Shepherd’s view that each school develop its own unique curriculum without understanding that it is impossible without having choice schools. As soon as school A drifts too far from school B, some parents in school A’s catchment area will demand to be allowed to send their children to school B. Some parents in school B’s catchment area will demand that their children be allowed to send their children to school A. The traditional neighborhood school system is incompatible with Robert Shepherd’s highly praised view of education.
You can maintain traditional zoned schools if the school board is able to explain to parents that there is really no need to go to school A instead of B, C, D, etc. because all the schools are basically alike. They have roughly the same student body and they follow the same curriculum (it could be the common core, state imposed or district determined), and they all have the same approach to teaching.
Is there something wrong with my logic here?
I’m a trained, experienced special educator who has worked with populations all along the developmental range, from severe-profound mental retardation to gifted. I distinctly recall TE mentioning that one of his kids has an IEP as a gifted student –which is not available to gifted children in every state. I’m not sure about his other kids, but he has expressed having a beef with the choices available for his gifted child, who I believe he said is in high school and is being allowed to take college courses. Since I support the continuum of placements for kids with special needs, including gifted, that sounds like a viable option to me, so I’m not quite as moved as you, Robert.
Two children with IEP’s actually. My foster son, who came to live with us the summer before his junior year in high school, has a number of learning disabilities likely stemming from early childhood deprivation. His largest deficits is in short term memory where he is in the bottom 1%.
Students like him are often discussed here. It seemed to me that no one was concerned with students like my middle son, so I thought I would take up the banner for those students.
You are correct that my middle son did take graduate classes while in high school, something that happens every two or three years in the local high school. My concern is not for students that live in a university town, but for students who do not, and thus have no access to such classes. Is anyone else here advocating for those students, or can we ignore them because they will be, in the words of one poster, “all right”?
Teachers are professionals and we advocate for ALL of our students of all abilities.
We just don’t feel the need to prove it to you here TE.
We live it. We breathe it. WE ARE IT.
Please just stop!
Take your boys fishing..do something productive besides stalking us here and trying to pick apart every word to further belittle people who have dedicated their lives to children (and who like you also raise, adopt and foster their own children).
Done!
I fond the statement by Carol Burris very relevant to your point. She said “When you worry about “the strongest”, you leave everyone else behind.” It seems that you disagree with her. Is that correct?
My answer was that I don’t think the alternative suggested by Bill Gates will wipe out higher education as it is now done, but if it does, higher education teachers will join the endless number of professions that have been replaced with something better.
TE,
If you do lose your job, – and I hope you do not – I am certain there will be many who are “better” to replace you with.
Of that, there is little doubt.
I support your notions, Linda, and as almost always, I am using kind words . . .
Thank you!
TE,
Was I making the same point as Carol Burris? Why was your reference to her relevant?
I may not have been replying to you. When Dr. Ravitch turned if the endless indents (a good decision in my view) responses just stack on top of each other. I may have been replying to a message several places above, but email responses get in placed below the original post and a response.
I never said I did not support the variations in addressing children with special needs. If a public school truly is not meeting such needs, alternatives are legitimate in my view, but this cohort of children across the United States is far smaller than the masses. I certainly don’t minimize their needs.
My FIRST choice is for every school within a strictly public trust be equipped to handle such children. My notion is that they are not. I use the word “notion”.
In NY, if a parent goes through the legal protocols and can prove the public school is not meeing the needs of ANY type of child, then the district is mandated to pay for the tuition of an alternative facility, public or private (public meaning if it is out of the child’s zoned tax base). There needs to be both reform in teacher education, (the credentialing of which is now is under seige to be watered down), and in public school financing.
I simply don’t want to use my federal tax dollars to pay for bank bailouts and Afghanistan when they should be used to resource schools in order to address children like that of TE’s. Gifted, violent, poor, autistic, Downs syndrome, brain-oxygen deprived, cerebral palsy. . .. the whole spectrum.
What is apalling to me is the deliberate lack of funding from the federal and state governments thaty would otherwise equip a dramatically larger number of schools throughout the country to deliver services that would not and should not have to be delivered otherwise in alternative venues.
What reformers are trying to do now is take this outlier scenario of choice, which, given the current way the system is set up, is a good thing, and slather it all over the massess in the public education system, a movement that is meant to privatize, profitize, de-democratize, and de-humanize the cognitive brain wiring process, something that is immoral and I would venture to even say riot-provoking . . . .
My response was to Veteran Educator.
The continuum of placements in special education has remained, despite the fact that the general education classroom is seen as the preferred and least restrictive environment, where students have access to the general ed curriculum and interactions with typically developing peers, because not every special ed student benefits most from being in general ed classes 100% of the time. So, a variety of placement options are available and placement decisions are supposed to be made on a case by case basis, based on the needs of each child.
In most states, those different options are available only to children with disabilities, not gifted students, because the federal special education law, IDEA, only covers kids with disabilities, and the federal law addressing gifted and talented, Javits, targets kids from under-represented groups and not gifted programs. In both cases, they are under-funded laws, with the federal government not paying anywhere near what the programs cost, so states and districts have to kick in a lot to fund them.
I would think that a parent of kids with special needs who is an economist would be concerned about this financial short-fall and would be discussing and advocating for equitable funding. I’ve not seen this from TE. Just all the stuff about choice. Well, there might actually be more choices for TE’s kids if special ed and gifted programs were adequately funded –not to mention the financial needs of general education programs in this era of slash and burn education “reform.”
Veteran Teacher,
All you have you stated is perfectly put. I agree.
My kids attended public schools in SE, NE, and SW Ohio. We had an “opportunity” to remove my older son from a first grade class that was made basically bused in kids and those who lived in Section 8 housing. We decided to leave him in that room because the teacher said to us, “Please, I need him and the other kids need him.” He stayed. It was beneficial since he learned to embrace other cultures and people with different learning abilities.
We moved to another area of the state. Both of my kids were in a gifted program through middle school. They were in Honor Society and on the Academic Team in high school. They passed the Ohio Graduation Test in 8th grade. They have both finished degrees at the Univ of Cincinnati. One has a Masters Degree. They have jobs, but not jobs that use their degrees per se. Their education is paid for. No loans. And, we don’t have a lot of money. They had small scholarships but the rest was paid for by us. We just don’t have fancy cars and boats or a second home.
Could they have had more exposure to gifted classes? (Our district had to eliminate the Gifted Program due to lack of funding.) Did it harm them? We gave them many opportunities to learn via music and sports. They chose what they liked. We allowed them to be themselves, not some propelled little education vacuums.
I taught in the district that they attended for most of their schooling. My husband was on the school board for 12 years. We were very involved in the Band Boosters organization. We have found that music helps learning, helps synthesizing, helps develop structure, and has many wonderful applications to the learning process.
We feel that the emphasis on testing at the expense of an arts program is deficient, at the very least. The Common Core and Pearson testing aren’t applicable to addressing the arts. However, they are trying to find ways to test those, too, in our district, so that they can “evaluate” teachers in the arts and phys ed as contributors to the child’s overall learning. Even in those elementary classes, the teachers were subjected to constantly testing the children. I find it kind of ridiculous to grade a student who may be tone deaf on their ability to recognize notes! Of course, it is the teacher’s fault if the child doesn’t “get it”. Hmmm.
In any case, I feel that students need to be given opportunities to first be children, then to pursue their own interests, and to be challenged when possible. Our district bought into teaching using differentiated instruction which allows students some opportunity to advance on their own with some monitoring and assists students of all levels. For example, I had 5 reading groups in my 4th grade classroom. The problem with that is that it is exhausting to plan and evaluate when so few students are doing the same things at the same time. Having smaller class sizes with 2 levels would alleviate much of the difficulty. There are many other things that could be done at public schools to assist learning at all levels. But, for reasons we have all discussed, the tax money is evaporating and much of the money is going into private pockets.
In my opinion, being part of a society requires the participants to make contributions and to step outside of their children’s personal comfort zones. That might require some of us to use our dollars to help the greater good, not just focus on our own children. You just might teach them to be better citizens. Bottom line for me, I will choose helping the greater good over selfishly pursuing only “my” interests and needs. Therefore, I believe in the concept of public education for all.
“Brilliant” you are Deb. Forgive the adjective, Duane Swacker.
I agree with everything you say. Too bad TE does not think of the greater common good. But he is by no means alone. His mindset exemplifies far too much of the American malaise. . . . TE is quite common in that regard.
Keep on keeping on. Society needs people like you.
I am curious about why you think I don’t consider the common good? What have I said to make you think that?
TE,
These are EXCELLENT questions.
But you need to ask them to yourself. The answer lies in you. . . .
It is your impression, so only you can answer.
I’d say it’s more like a consensus, TE. This is not just one person’s “impression.” These are many people’s perceptions, so it lies within you. Take a look at what you are projecting here.
Well maybe you can tell me what I have said that leads you to believe that I care not for the common good?
TE,
May I recommend (sorry if I hit the send button by mistake with an incomplete response) that you not use other people’s answers as a looking glass for your own reflection.
If you were to answer this question yourself, it stands to be far more productive for “yourself” (you’re REALLY into that word) than to bore the rest of us to oceans of tears with your disconnect.
Chi-Town is right. . . So was the poster who recommended that you go jump in the lake. . . .
I do hope the heat has not gotten to you.
It’s too bad. You really had potential. You might still have it . . . . .
Robert,
On my very first post here I was told to shut up and listen to my betters. I can take the heat.
The problem in this discussion is that many posters seem to think that there is a feasible educational policy that is better “for all students”. I see trade offs. Policy changes will help some students and hurt others. By ignoring this, people may feel better but they will not make good decisions.
Carol Burris acknowledges the trade off and made a decision that the school will not try to fulfill the educational needs of the strongest student. Those students must go elsewhere or live with what is offered. You can argue that she has made the wrong decision, but first you must acknowledge that a decision had to be made.
Don’t you think you should address your Carol Burris issues with Carol Burris?
And I don’t know where you are coming from at all, but then again, who does? I am jealous of those who understand you. I am saying this because I was not using Carol Burris in any of this debate.
I was under the impression that I was using my own views.
I am not clear as to why you are writing abpiut her with regard top my own independent thinking. Nothing against you are Carol, but you two should really have lunch together.
Yes, TE, I know that some trade-offs will produce good and bad, but I am always looking at the masses realistically and morally, not at theoretical constructs for the minority. If our society were do do educaiton right, that minority would shrink. . . .
And now, TE, to quote from I think it was “Annie Hall”, I have leave your galaxy, get back into my spacecraft and return back down to planet earth . . . .
TE, besides yourself, you’re REALLY into Carol Burris . . .
“How can a democracy function when one man with $36 billion assumes the right and the power to reshape key institutions?”
How indeed? I don’t think it can. We’ve set up the rules but those rules are being exploited by Gates and others with vast wealth, allowing them to literally BUY public policy. How? By spreading money around and buying people off.
I see it in my own neighborhood. On my own street there is a couple that was very active in our neighborhood public school, working hard as parent volunteers and helping the students in our school in numerous ways.
But then, suddenly, they changed. Last year they put a sign on their lawn, in favor of the vile Initiative 1240, funded almost exclusively by Gates and a number of out-of-state billionaires, including one of the heirs of the Walmart fortune. (It passed, just barely, in one of the closest elections ever, after outspending their opponents by more than 20 to 1.)
Why did my neighbors change their views? The PTA mom went to work for an “Education Reform Group” funded by Gates and a couple of other wealthy individuals. Now, she and her husband—former steadfast opponents of any school privatization efforts—are all about “Education Reform”. They’ve been bought. They sold out.
But Gates knows that you can get people to change even strongly held beliefs if you give them enough money. We all need money and he knows he can get almost anything he wants if he flashes enough of it around.
How much longer will we allow this one man—with his gargantuan ego and neo-royal arrogance—to effectively override the laws of our republic and our practice of democracy?
How much longer will we allow this? As long as money talks, this will continue. The threads are skewed and splatted all over the spectrum, not focusing on solutions per se.
We need to look at WHY these things are happening and HOW they got to this point. I think there has been shrewd marketing and dismantling of PK-12 education that is now surfacing more and more in colleges and universities.
As long as Gates and friends have BILLIONS to use to buy their way into the minds of those seeking the solutions, this will continue. For some reason, no one seems able to stand up to them. These tests and standards are adopted. Consortia have been formed among several states and the people who DELIVER the education are told to cooperate or else. The use of the AYP as a tool for evaluation assures that teachers who do not buy into this insanity will be punished with the loss of jobs, even teachers who were formerly Teachers of the Year. Even that is used against them because the former Teachers of the Year represent all that these tech oriented testing companies are trying to eliminate. Their words are used against them to “prove” that they aren’t worthy of the awards they have received.
Then we have the discussion that choice is necessary since all students can’t POSSIBLY be fully educated with the public school model.
I suggest that public schools and private/charter schools should work in conjunction to provide the best of the best to all students in their own home districts, using occasional online learning when the numbers and dollars aren’t available in the financially strapped or isolated districts. The money that is wasted on all this massive “training” of teachers to fit into this “new business model” of education would be much better spent on actually providing students with SMALL classes and much more attention to their specific needs, whether it is great or small, remedial or gifted. The money IS there, but it is going into the pockets of the people who have no better solutions than anyone else … just promises.
Give the experienced, caring, career teachers smaller classes, enough materials, and support and education can and will change for all. But, I don’t believe that is the intent at the moment.. There is too much segregating of the Advanced, Proficient, and Basic students. There is too much emphasis placed on AYP among students who are capable of maybe 1/2 year’s growth at best.
If this group is going to succeed, we need to find a focus and move forward with a solution as to how to fix the problems that are created by poverty, hunger, lack of parenting, lack of sleep, and corporate interference into something that they know nothing about. We have to stand up for students and teachers as humans not widgets. We need to love them all the way they are, not beat them down with test scores.
The lack of humanity in this privatizing movement has just about driven me insane. The stress took its toll on me. But, I still want to contribute and make a change. I don’t want to just shrug my shoulders and act like the passion of most of my life has been for naught.
If we want to make a change we have to stand up for kids, individuality, arts, humanities, health, science, history, inquiry, as well as language and mathematics.
We have the goods. They have the money. Their data points aren’t even useful. It must be proven.
As an aside, I can remember when my dad worked for Union Carbide and they changed the evaluation system for his subordinates. He was told to put them into quartiles. He told them that he had the men he wanted, where he wanted, and that they couldn’t be replaced and compared. He wound up retiring shortly after that, from stress. Now that company is gone. But, after he retired and they absorbed his position into other department heads’ job descriptions. Then Bhopal, India, had a big explosion. No one in the whole company knew what to do. They had to call my dad, a lowly dept head that retired with no college degree behind his name. This event informs my decisions about change.
I ramble. I will stop.
I am perfectly fine with the thesis of this piece, and I am aware of similar arguments in the international aid arena. But I feel obligated to point out that the Gates Foundation also supports-I believe completely funds-the Achieve the Dream project, which has provided a lot of money and support to community colleges and their assessment programs.
This is a pretty old thread, I got to it by reading a post about Satya Nadella, Microsoft’s new CEO.
One thing that strikes me about this article is that it seems that the author has never heard of the Crisis of Democracy, published by the Trilateral Commission in the mid-70s, as governments around the world were worried about increasing citizen activism and protests. (https://archive.org/details/TheCrisisOfDemocracy-TrilateralCommission-1975)
One of the key recommendations of the report was to change the nature of education in this country. I remember the 70s, and the academic, business, and policy-wonk journals were filled with articles discussing the “role of education”.
Traditionally, for thousands of years, higher education was reserved for the elite, either to help them rule more effectively, or to keep them occupied in their privileged lives,
The GI Bill, after WWII, was really the first time in the history of the planet that we had working-class and peasants get higher education. My father had been a migrant farm worker before WWII. After the war, and the free college education, he became an engineer at Boeing, his brother became a chemist at Geigy. They were raised as peasants, but the next generation, going to school in the 50s, was specifically headed for college.
There was a tracking system in place, and the college-bound kids were educated differently than the Track 2 kids, who were headed for community colleges and trade schools, or the military. Track 1 kids were given the same text books as the Track 2 kids, but were also assigned research papers, and spend their class time in the library, or writing papers, or presenting them in class, defending their arugments, or challenging their classmates’ positions..
That was the generation that created the huge cultural wars of the 70s. The ruling elite did a collective dope slap and said, “THIS is why you don’t educate the peasants!”. But at that time, all the educators were deeply committed to the concept that the purpose of education was to create a better citizenry. Running for class office was a big deal, and started in elementary school. Citizenship, and involvement in civic affairs was a huge part of schools’ responsibility.
That was the issue that the Trilateral Commission mentioned in their report on how to deal with “too much democracy”. They were specifically interested understanding how to impart technical skills that would not also increase social involvement. To educators of the day, those were inseparable.
The ensuing decades have been focused on restructuring education such that educators themselves buy into the prospect of education-as-job-training, and developing the tools to do so. So far, this has involved converting educational direction from being locally-controlled by the parents, to being centrally controlled by the corporate elite and their agents in DC, and developing the technology to do so more cheaply.
I haven’t seen anything written down – given the large amount of negative attention their book created, I suspect they learned not to discuss these issues in public any more – but I suspect a lot of what is going on in the US educational system for the past several decades is about learning how to teach technical job skills to Third World peasants who may not have a written language, or whose parents are illiterate in their own language. But that’s just a side note, and as I said, I’ve not seen any conferences or articles addressing that issue.
One last note – around the turn of the 20th century, something similar was going on with the industrial magnates of those days – the Rockefellers, Carnegies, Cecil Rhodes, etc. They formed large foundations the purpose of which was to shape the course of society. Not being able to buy off current professors, they brought in promising students and trained them in the proper approach of the day. A similar thing happened with the creation of allopathic medical standards, acceptance of the origins of humanity, etc.
The ruling elite understands very well where its interests lie, and have the ability to work toward serving those interests. It behooves those of us who care, to research what has been done, and not be naive about it.
It behooves those of us who care, to research what has been done, and not be naive about it.
yes. yes, it does
Once upon a time in the United States, colleges and universities were run by academics. Now, quite commonly, they are run by breathtakingly well-compensated business people whose primary interests are managing a) their endowments, b) their career trajectories, and c) their relations with wealthy donors, also members of the oligarchical elite from the business world.
Faculty voices have been increasingly marginalized or silenced, and 70 percent of all classes in higher ed are now taught by adjuncts, most of whom are given less than full-time class loads so that their employers can avoid paying them benefits. The president of the university takes home a salary that would shame Croesus, and the adjunct professors try to survive on salaries less than those earned by people who bag groceries or flip hamburgers. Increasingly, that college president has no clue who Croesus was, though he or she might be familiar with the portfolio management software sold under that name.
In higher education, as in K-12, the ideal of the university as a bastion of humane scholarship, research, teaching, and learning and as a means of lifting up, intellectually and spiritually, persons from the working classes, is under attack.
My mother was a cleaning lady. My father was a truck driver. They worked their butts off and dreamed of giving their son a liberal education. Getting that chance to learn about literature, music, art, and philosophy meant everything to me. The great scholars under whom I studied had a sense of calling, and I honor and revere them, each and every one, to this day, as representative of the best of what we humans are capable of. They were a varied lot, but they all thought that a life well lived was about a hell of a lot more than just earning a living.
And now Gates is doing everything in his power to ensure that future generations of the sons and daughters of working people will not have the opportunity that I had to glimpse vistas beyond the spreadsheet due by 10:30 tomorrow morning.
Shame on him.
The traditional humane idea of the university and of the K-12 school is under attack by technocratic Philistines. And this mad rush toward mediocrity is being sold as pursuit of higher standards and better outcomes.
Education for the elite. Training for the proles. The Eloi and the Morlochs.
Margaret Bartley nailed what’s happening when she wrote, above,
“The ruling elite did a collective dope slap and said, ‘THIS is why you don’t educate the peasants!'”
They will want more. They will not be satisfied with servility.
cx: Morlocks
I always remember that incorrectly. There’s something in me that wants the word to be a portmanteau of Moor and Loch.
Carnegie was no saint, not by a long shot. But what did he do with his vast fortune? He endowed libraries and hospitals and schools for black children in the South.
Not convinced that competency-based education is completely out of place. Certainly it is unlikely to replace conventional education but why not explore what it has to offer.