Michael A. Cohen (NOT the ex-Trump lawyer) writes that this debate might change the views of independent, uncommitted voters. Trump’s behavior and Harris’s cool were a stark contrast. Republicans are complaining that the moderators fact-checked Trump but not Harris, and were biased. But a few of Trump’s many lies were so egregious that the moderators were compelled to correct him, such as his debunked claim that Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, were stealing and eating pets, and his claim that Democrats support “post-birth” abortion. The moderators pointed out that the pet story was a hoax and that no state allows murdering a baby after birth.
Cohen writes:
Presidential debates usually don’t matter. A trove of political science literature suggests that most debate watchers have already decided whom they are supporting. While a winning candidate might get a temporary boost from a strong performance, the polling bump often fades.
However, last night’s showdown between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump could be the exception to the rule. Why? Because never before in American presidential politics has there been a debate as one-sided as what we saw Tuesday night in Philadelphia.
If this had been a heavyweight fight, a towel would have flown across the ring and the referee would have stopped the bout. This was such a rout that even conservative pundits bemoaned Trump’s disastrous performance. Over and over, Harris threw fresh chum into the water. In practically every one of her answers, she included at least one line that she knew would firmly lodge itself under Trump’s infamously thin skin.
She needled Trump about his boring political rallies and pointed out that his alma mater, the Wharton School of Business, had thrown cold water on his economic plans. She listed his litany of criminal indictments and prosecutions. She repeatedly called him a disgrace and an easy mark for foreign leaders.
And each and every time, without fail, Trump took the bait. The result was a series of angry, disjointed and incoherent rants at ever-increasing decibel levels. He claimed without evidence that “many of those [Wharton] professors … think my plan is a brilliant plan.” He defended his political grievance fests by claiming they are the “most incredible rallies in the history of politics.” And in the debate’s most bizarre moment, he falsely claimed that immigrants in Ohio are stealing and killing pet animals. The contrast between sullen, angry Trump and polished, even-keeled Harris couldn’t have been starker. While much of the analysis from last night will focus on Trump’s lunacy, Harris’ performance may have been more decisive.
By and large, voters know what they think about Trump. Nine years in the political spotlight will have that effect. But Harris has been a 2024 presidential candidate for just seven weeks. If recent polling is to be believed, going into last night many voters saidthey want to know more about her. In a New York Times poll released Sunday, 28 percent of voters “said they felt they needed to know more about Ms. Harris, while only 9 percent said they needed to know more about Mr. Trump.” The number is close to half among the small segment of undecided voters. Along with last month’s Democratic convention, Tuesday’s debate was one of Harris’ best opportunities to introduce herself to the public. Did last night seal the deal? CNN’s instant poll taken immediately after the debate showed Harris trouncing Trump 63-37. That’s almost a mirror image of its poll after the Biden-Trump debate earlier this year. It’s similar to the margins for Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney in the first debates of the last three presidential elections — each of which led to a bump in the polls.
But a strong debate performance is no guarantee of victory. In 2004, John Kerry trounced George W. Bush in all three presidential debates. The same was true for Clinton against Trump in 2016. In 2012, Romney wiped the floor in his first debate with a listless Barack Obama. None of those three ended up in the Oval Office.
Still, the differences between Harris and Trump were so significant — and considering the potential boost to a candidate not as well known as her opponent — it’s hard to imagine last night’s debate will not have at least some effect on voter opinion. At the very least, she might have given the sliver of the electorate still unsure about Harris enough information to win their vote in November.In the near term, the debate should generate days of coverage about the former president’s mental state. Perhaps it will also move the news media away from continuing to claim that Harris has not explained herself and her plans to the American people.
But ultimately, the question for Democrats is: Did Harris swing enough voters in her direction to ensure she wins the White House? Even if her poll numbers improve in the next week, will those gains remain in place until Election Day?
Time will tell. But if Trump remains a high-floor, low-ceiling candidate, with a strong base of support and a limited ability to bring in new voters, even a small move of undecided voters to Harris could be decisive. And it’s hard to imagine any presidential candidate having a better night than Harris did on Tuesday. Democrats can’t ask for much more than that from their new standard bearer.

Nobody knows for sure what effect the debate will have on voters. Taylor Swift was impressed enough to endorse Vice-President Harris. Shortly after Swift’s declaration, more than 338,000 people accessed Vote.gov. Later Trump announced that Swift “will pay dearly” for her decision. I doubt she’s too worried about the ominous orange one.
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Trump really went down The Rabbit Hole with his impassioned claim that migrants are eating people’s pets. Unfortunately, Trump has plenty of company down there. Back when Trump admitted that all he knows is what’s on the Internet holds true for countless people…people who nonetheless vote.
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This time clicking LIKE worked. This morning, I did something that took too much time. I downloaded into a document the transcripts of Traitor Trump’s speech on January 6, 2021.
Almost 11,000 words and so may claims that I’m sure were lies, I’d have to throw away too many hours to fact check them all.
So, I resorted to global searches for a few words like fight, fake, Pence and peace.
the word fight appeared 21 times in the transcript. A couple of times the word fight referred to his mob chanting it.
The word peace appeared once on page 4 of 19 single-spaced 12-pt type pages.
The word fake appeared 17 times.
Pence’s name appeared 7 times related to “doing the right thing” and “sending the certification back to the states.”
Later, during the riot, after Pence didn’t do what Trump wanted him to do, three witnesses that didn’t want their names mentioned (who can blame them?), said Trump expressed support for hanging Pence while the riot was still going on.
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What’s comforting to me, Lloyd, is that there are people out there like you on this case.
2016 was a shock.
2020 was truly crazy amidst a global pandemic, a million+ deaths here in the U.S. from COVID -but how many people stop to think about those numbers/actual human beings now?
2024 WTF?! Even today people I know and like are posting pro-Trump crap online and putting up signs on their yards. This is like the old Twilight Zone show. After all we know…STILL?!
Thanks as always to the peeps on here. Voices of reason and hope.
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Thank you Lloyd, for this first-rate exercise in content analysis.
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Lloyd, that is impressive detective work. Billboard-worthy.
Jan 6 rally Trump said…
Peace 1 time. Pence 7 time. Fake 17 times. Fight 21.
Go home: 3 hours and 10 deaths later.
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The Springfield, Ohio comment turns out not so funny anymore. And one more example of how he and his dog whistle words are responsible for January 6.
Today’s headline: “Bomb threats reported at City Hall, multiple other buildings in Springfield, Ohio” https://abcnews.go.com/US/bomb-threat-reported-multiple-buildings-springfield-ohio/story?id=113619803
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I know celebrity endorsements rarely move the needle, but it isn’t just “Childless Cat Lady” (i.e. Taylor Swift) who wrote an extremely convincing rationale of why she was endorsing Kamala. (Compare it to the prominent folks who endorse Trump with the most inane reasons like “I wanna make America Great Again” or just citing false facts.) Or the gobbledygook RFK Jr. said when he endorsed Trump: “My joining the Trump campaign will be a difficult sacrifice for my wife and children, but worthwhile if there’s even a small chance of saving these kids.” Um, yes, Trump will give you that small chance to “save kids” from chemicals and obesity and whatever else is harming them.
Linda Ronstadt also endorsed Kamala with a brilliant facebook post:
“Donald Trump is holding a rally on Thursday in a rented hall in my hometown, Tucson. I would prefer to ignore that sad fact. But since the building has my name on it, I need to say something.
It saddens me to see the former President bring his hate show to Tucson, a town with deep Mexican-American roots and a joyful, tolerant spirit.
I don’t just deplore his toxic politics, his hatred of women, immigrants and people of color, his criminality, dishonesty and ignorance — although there’s that.
For me it comes down to this: In Nogales and across the southern border, the Trump Administration systematically ripped apart migrant families seeking asylum. Family separation made orphans of thousands of little children and babies, and brutalized their desperate mothers and fathers. It remains a humanitarian catastrophe that Physicians for Human Rights said met the criteria for torture.
There is no forgiving or forgetting the heartbreak he caused.
Trump first ran for President warning about rapists coming in from Mexico. I’m worried about keeping the rapist out of the White House.
Linda Ronstadt
P.S. to J.D. Vance:
I raised two adopted children in Tucson as a single mom. They are both grown and living in their own houses. I live with a cat. Am I half a childless cat lady because I’m unmarried and didn’t give birth to my kids? Call me what you want, but this cat lady will be voting proudly in November for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz .”
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The Harris campaign is strong and changing minds. Keep changing minds with big rallies and other media splashes. While keeping changing people’s minds, don’t forget about their bodies. I believe it’s time to examine the strength of Trump’s loyalist army. How many voters are going to be intimidated away from the polls? How many votes are going to be discounted because the polls were shut down and the lines to vote too long? How are Democrats going to repeat their 2020 performance in especially Georgia, getting the downtrodden and disenfranchised to the polls? Nuts and bolts. How many buses do we need? Who is driving?
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The debate won’t change anyone’s mind when the far R media continues to put out blatant lies. This garbage comes from Breaking Christian News [BCN]
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ABC Moderators Were Lying: EIGHT ‘Aborted’ Babies Were Born Alive & Then Left to Die in Minnesota
Scott Pinsker (Sep 12, 2024)
Either Linsey Davis—and by extension, ABC News—is guilty of an astonishing level of incompetence and flubbed a critically important fact during a presidential debate, or they were deliberately lying to the American people, hoping to trick us into voting for their preferred candidate.
[PJMedia.com] “There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it’s born,” said ABC debate moderator Linsey Davis, as she smugly “fact-checked” the Republican nominee. “Madam vice president, I want to get your response to President Trump.” (Image: Pexels)
“Well, as I said, you’re going to hear a bunch of lies,” eagerly agreed Kamala Harris. And then she proceeded to tell a bunch of lies.
But in this exchange, the first lie was told by ABC’s Linsey Davis. And either ironically or coincidentally, one of the places where babies can legally be killed post-birth is in the state of Minnesota—where her running mate, Tim Walz, is currently governor.
The Daily Signal examined several years of data from the Minnesota Department of Health: At least eight babies who survived abortions— and were thus born alive—were later killed, or left to die.
In fact, during the narrow timeframe of January 1, 2021, through December 21, 2021 (one year), five babies were born post-abortion operation. Of those five infants:
No one tried to save the first baby, who was allegedly born with “fetal anomalies” and died shortly thereafter.
The second and third babies were given unspecified “comfort care measures” on their first (and last) birthdays. Neither baby survived.
The fourth and fifth babies were deemed “previable,” which is defined as the stage of fetal maturity when there’s a much lower probability of survival outside of the uterus, but thanks to medical advances, the range of previability is shifting; it’s often considered a “gray zone” for ethical decision-making. Regardless, no efforts were made to save either baby.
The Daily Signal also uncovered Minnesota’s records from January 1, 2019, through December 31, 2019 (one year): Three babies were born alive after an attempted abortion, and three times these babies were allowed to die… Subscribe for free to Breaking Christian News here
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The right feeds on these type of lies. Then, like Trump when they repeat the lies, as in Haitians eating cats, they sound insane on national TV. Part of the reason for Trump’s popularity is the disturbing right wing bubble they live in and the lies so many of them accept as truth.
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I believe that one reason that people are prone to believe these lies is because Republican LEADERS are telling them! These aren’t random internet conspiracies. They are being legitimized and amplified by the leaders of the Republican party.
Imagine if it was Obama and Bernie Sanders telling people that xxx lie was true to rile up their hate? With the NYT confirming that the lie was absolutely true. And Fox News reporting that the lie may or may not be true, and no one knows for sure. I think a lot more people would believe something false that Obama and Bernie and every Democrat politician and the NYT was saying is true. No one is telling them it isn’t except some people identified as “partisan right wing Republicans” who obviously are too partisan to trust.
I think it is revealing that YOUNG people as a group do not seem to be taken by Trump’s conspiracy theories the way older Americans are.
It would not surprise me if that is because older Americans grew up in a different age where the media was a check on any politician spewing blatant lies. But the media has abandoned that role. Those older folks hear one side – Fox News – telling them xxx is absolutely true and another side – the so-called liberal media – telling them that what Trump says may or may not be true and it’s impossible to know. And since Republican politicians speak in one voice that these lies are true, that older generation assumes it is true. Because they assume if it wasn’t true, Republican politicians would not all be saying it was true AND they assume that at least the liberal media would be saying it isn’t true. And since the liberal media is reporting only that “it may or may not be true”, they understandably would believe the Republican politicians and the right wing news media speaking with one voice about how it is true.
The older Americans grew up in a time when the so-called liberal media wasn’t riddled with anxiety about writing a story that the Republicans wouldn’t like, because their new definition of “bias” is “do the Republicans like it?” And the Republicans play them since they say even stories that bury a fact they don’t want reported, are too biased.
There is no independent judgement by today’s media. Their definition of bias is “do Republicans think what we report is biased” instead of “Is what we are reporting true and does it inform readers of reality?” So they write stories that inform readers of all the reality that Republicans believe is fit to print.
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