Since this post was written in Texas by a Texan, you may have a clue about what these diverse phenomena have in common: They are sources of fear, anxiety, propaganda, and scare tactics used cynically to stir up the passions of voters. The article was written by Dr. Charles Luke of Pastors for Texas Children, a stalwart supporter of public schools.
Dr. Luke writes:
What do masks, library books, critical race theory (CRT), and transgender rights have in common? While this may sound like the beginning of a really bad joke, these are all issues that local school boards across the nation hear about frequently from their constituents. The concerns about these issues aren’t always expressed in the nicest ways, either. In fact, angry expressions over these issues have led to death threats and harassment, leading some school board members to request police protection or to resign their positions. Commonly dubbed “culture war issues” because they are highly politicized, school board disruption has gotten so bad that Saturday Night Live did a skit about it.
In Texas, it’s not just concerned citizens that are complaining. Politicians are cashing in on the fears of their right-wing base by issuing edicts, holding town halls, and leading charges against school districts. State Rep. Matt Krause, Chair of the House Committee on General Investigating, notified the Texas Education Agency that he is “initiating an inquiry into Texas school district content,” according to an article and an Oct. 25 letter obtained by The Texas Tribune. Krause included a list of 850 titles that he believes some people may find objectionable. Krause was then running for Texas Attorney General in a crowded field of candidates but has since dropped out.
Not to be outdone, Gov. Greg Abbott issued his own edict about library books – but to the wrong people. In a November 1, 2021 letter to the Texas Association of School Boards (TASB), he reminded the organization that their members have a collective responsibility to determine if obscene materials exist in school libraries and to remove any such content. When TASB Executive Director Dan Troxell informed Governor Abbott that TASB is merely a school trustee membership organization and has no regulatory authority over schools, Abbott responded by accusing the organization of abdicating their responsibility in the matter and directed the Texas Education Agency, the Texas State Library and Archives Commission, and the State Board of Education to address the issue by developing standards to “prevent the presence of pornography and obscene content in Texas public schools, including in school libraries.”
A rightwing think-tank (the Texans for Public Policy Priorities) has already sent out a fundraising appeal, hoping to raise $1.2 million dollars to institute what they call “massive education freedom reforms” by mobilizing 10,000 citizens in each of 60 legislative swing districts in order to “break the indoctrination of our children from Critical Race Theory, ‘gender fluidity’, and socialism.” TPPF claims to already have one donor that has provided $600,000 (rumored to be Tim Dunn of Empower Texans fame.
Read on to learn about the latest zany tactics of Texas Republicans, who are expert at campaigning on lies and fear.
The right-wingers have a goal: power. The power to destroy public schools and replace them with private alternatives.
These efforts in Texas follow a national push by extremist politics to take over school boards based on allegations that districts are teaching critical race theory. The Center for Renewing America, run by former Trump administration official Russ Vought, distributes a toolkit that encourages conservatives to “reclaim” their schools by taking over local school boards through campaigns focused on opposition to critical race theory. The Leadership Institute offers training on how far-right candidates can take over their school board and runs a program called Campus Reform which encourages students to “expose the leftist abuses on your campus” including the teaching of CRT.
Funded by wealthy donors and far-right-wing foundations, they seem to be having some success in Texas. In places like Cypress-Fairbanks ISD – the third-largest school district in the state – long-term and well-established trustees are being replaced over culture-war wedge issues like CRT. After a controversial “Resolution Condemning Racism” was approved by the board of trustees in September of 2020, Rev. John Ogletree – an African American – was defeated amidst allegations that the district was promoting CRT. Ogletree is the founder and pastor at the First Metropolitan Church in Houston, Texas, and the president of the board of Pastors for Texas Children (PTC) – a statewide public school advocacy group. Ogletree had been a member of the Cypress-Fairbanks ISD Board of Trustees since 2003.
Not everyone is silent about the far-right efforts. Rev. Charles Foster Johnson, Executive Director of PTC responded to the defeat of Ogletree by saying, “For Godly Christian servants like Rev. John Ogletree to be slandered with lies about his character is beyond outrageous. It is morally despicable. Rev. Ogletree is a faithful pastor who discharged his responsibility before God to call out racism. He did so with obedience and courage. It may come as a news flash to the morally confused folks at TPPF, but it is not racism to call racism for the sin it is: racism.”
According to staff writers for Reform Austin, “This appears to be a nationwide strategy by conservatives to take over school boards and cultivate a farm team of candidates for higher office.” If that’s the case, there could be plenty of opportunities for far-right candidates in 2022 to get elected. With several Texas Senators and over two-dozen House members deciding not to run again due to redistricting maps, the field could be wide open for ultra-conservative candidates launching campaigns on the back of these attacks on public schools.
What the right-wingers really want is to gin up enough anger towards public schools so that people will be willing to seek vouchers and abandon public schools. This might save money, but it would certainly be a nightmare for students and parents who want a quality education. The people stirring this pot against public schools harp on phony issues to advance privatization.
Take Governor Abbott (please). He has been Governor of Texas since 2015. Before that, he was State Attorney General from 2002 to 2015. Before that, he was on the Texas Supreme Court from 1996 to 2001. Is it credible that after 25 years in high public office, he just realized that school libraries are harboring pornography? Why didn’t he know that when he was the State Attorney General, or a member of the Supreme Court, or at some point earlier in his six years as Governor? Why, on the eve of the next gubernatorial election, did he just discover that school libraries are dangerous to young minds? Young minds are undoubtedly safer in the school library than they are at home on the Internet, where there is most certainly hardcore pornography. Will Governor Abbott tell parents to disconnect from the Internet? Of course not.
This whole propaganda campaign is a charade. It is not about making education better. It’s not about protecting youth from corrupting influences.
It is about creating a rationale to distribute public money to religious schools and private vendors.
Texans who want better education must stand up to the charlatans and drive them out of office. School boards elections are scheduled for December 13. Get out and vote for people who believe in education, reason, and thoughtfulness. Vote out the charlatans who want to destroy your schools.

Most of this blog’s readers regard themselves as fearless free-thinkers, heroic speakers of Truth to Power when they recite all the fashionable left-wing dogmas. For an example of someone who is actually intellectually courageous – someone who defies the woke orthodoxy – read this speech recently given at Princeton.
https://abigailshrier.substack.com/p/what-i-told-the-students-of-princeton/comments
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Michelle, are you vaccinated?
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Yes, and I have my booster shot tomorrow. Your non-sequitur is beneath someone of your intelligence. BTW, do you favor allowing XY chromosome people to compete athletically with XX chromosome people? Many left-wing feminists oppose that idea but are too cowed by the woke mob to say so.
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Michelle, using degrading epithets like “woke mob” is beneath someone of your intelligence.
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Book reviews for Irreversible Damage are summarized at Wikipedia as well as comments about how it was received in the broader community. Shrier writes for right wing publications, WSJ, The Federalist, Economist, she was interviewed on Joe Rogan’s show. One of the two sponsors of the speech was Princeton Tory. The Princeton school newspaper asked for Zoom access to the event, if in-person attendance wasn’t possible. The sponsoring organization refused to grant them access.
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Info from Wikipedia?….my kids have been taught by their teachers not to use Wikipedia as a source of any information since some of it is incorrect and not factual. I’d expect better of you. If you read her Substack she tells you that she started out working in the Clinton Administration…..a Dem. Because she tells the unvarnished TRUTH, left leaning MSM won’t pick her up and she gets labeled as a right wing nut for publishing in right leaning media? Not fair.
Her book has been a lifeline for some of us with girls/young women who have gone down this rabbit hole of gender ideology. I have a they/them daughter living on college campus as a “boi” and I am terrified that she will turn to testosterone or medically alter herself with “top surgery” (a mastectomy). Our family life has been turned upside down and I am glad to know that we are not the only ones experiencing this dilemma/contagion.
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I corroborated the part of my comment that was taken from Wikipedia.
The second part of the paragraph was taken directly from the Princeton paper’s site.
Lisa M
You may find you agree with Mary Hasson’s views. She’s a leader at EPPC. In the 5-18-2021, article at the Arlington Catholic Herald, “Catholic scholar addresses ‘gender ideology’…”, Hasson references the info. that Shrier wrote.
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LisaM 👏👏👏
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Lisa, there have been several studies that have shown that Wikipedia articles and the Encyclopedia Britannica have roughly the same number of factual errors per body of text. In addition, Wikipedia articles typically have footnotes so that people can follow up to the original sources of statements within them. Of course, anyone can edit a Wikipedia article (or at least used to be able to, subject to various kinds of flagging that Wikipedia editors do), but if I were to go onto Wikipedia and edit the article on Sovereignty to say that Enlightened Master Bob Shepherd is Sovereign of the Known Universe, within seconds, someone in the community of Wikipedia readers and editors would edit that out. Wikipedia is the fulfillment of a dream that has existed since the Ptolemies of a universal library of knowledge. it’s breathtakingly useful, and I HIGHLY RECOMMEND that people BEGIN their research into an unfamiliar topic by reading a cluster of relevant Wikipedia articles for an overview of the topic and THEN follow up in definitive sources. This truism about research is well-founded: don’t depend on single sources unless you absolutely have to and those sources are extremely credible. Wikipedia is one tool in the toolkit, and an extraordinarily useful one.
I have spent my life working as a writer and doing research to inform that writing, and Wikipedia is a godsend. I am extremely grateful that I no longer have to spend five hours in the library or on the phone to Truman scholars or talking to folks at the Truman library just to find out whether Truman spelled his middle name, which was simply S with or without a period after the S. Thank all the gods for Wikipedia and for the internet generally.
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if I were to go onto Wikipedia and edit the article on Sovereignty to say that Enlightened Master Bob Shepherd is Sovereign of the Known Universe, within seconds, someone in the community of Wikipedia readers and editors would edit that out.”
You should say Sovereign of the UNknown Universe.
That way, you can’t be proved wrong.
That’s how physicists get away with posting stuff on the Multiverse.
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And I am extremely grateful that I don’t have to spend hours on the phone with the Trump Librarians just to find out whether Trump actually dyes his hair orange. Wikipedia has been a Dogsend in that regard.
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While I welcome that young people today are exploring alternative expressions of their gender identities and sexual orientations, and I am grateful that those who are trapped in gender identities that are wrong for them can now do something about that, I, too, have reservations about young people who are not certain about what they are doing making irreversible decisions. Having recently taught high-school students, and having raised some myself, I know that high-school kids are emotionally volatile, extremely subject to social suggestion, and often extremely variable in their views even as they are absolutist about the ones they currently have. They are not adults, even if some look, sort of, like adults. Far, far from it. They are still children.
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I had it out with Lloyd here a number of years ago. I sneered about the uselessness of Wikipedia. Time has proven him to be correct, which Bob explains.
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While some people who identify as “they” may be influenced by some outside force, when I hear this invoked, I always think about those religious folks who are certain that being gay is something that non-gay people are just brainwashed to believe.
I don’t know how many people here have kids still in K-12 or undergrads in college, but this is a very different era in a good way. It’s good to see how many students – regardless of their political beliefs – just aren’t hung up on what someone’s gender identity or pronoun is. And no, there isn’t a rash of people choosing different identities because of some outside influence any more than there was a rash of people deciding to become lesbians or gay men when gay marriage was legalized. Although maybe some more people got to explore their sexuality. Who cares? Why is that so bad?
I get how parents might be concerned that a child is being unduly influenced by some outside source, but I think that is rare. The medical community has required waiting periods and doesn’t jump to do gender reassignment surgery on demand.
Young people may identify as they and change to she. They may be he/they because they are still undecided. The young people I know don’t get hung up on all of this. All they ask is that people respect whatever it is they identify with. I really don’t think that is so hard.*
*Just want to say the issue of sports is a bit more complicated and deserves an entirely different discussion. But it is often not what some people imagine, where some guy says he now identifies as a woman and gets to play on a women’s team displacing someone else.
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Linda,
Here is a list of the presidential candidates the publication The Economist has endorsed over the last 30 years, starting with the most recent.
2020 Joe Biden
2016 Hilary Clinton
2012 Barack Obama
2008 Barack Obama
2004 John Kerry
2000 George Bush
1996 Bob Dole
1992 Bill Clinton
Given that The Economist endorsed 6 Democratic candidates and 2 Republican candidates, I think it is hard to characterize The Economist as conservative publication. It is not a right wing publication.
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LIsa M
Readers at this blog read your version of your daughter’s experience.
It could provide insight if she spoke for herself, insight for both you and us. Why don’t you ask her, if she has time, to please add comment in this thread? Young people’s views shouldn’t be discounted because they are daughters or sons.
This is largely a safe place for issues like your daughter’s because, in part, the blog’s host has walked a path made difficult by others.
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te
Getting into the weeds-
It’s problematic to defend a publication that believes in market based solutions to social problems as politically neutral. The magazine’s description as fiscally conservative also presents a problem when describing it as neutral. The Economist which is partially owned by Rothschild (popularized central banking) claims to have an independent editorial board. However, we have no way of knowing what that means. It’s fair to conclude from looking at the magazine’s U.S. President endorsements and the magazine’s other positions that it favors globalism. Referring to globalists like Bill Gates as politically neutral and not having an agenda is convenient but, attempts to maintain the status quo of power should certainly be considered conservative.
So, what do we make of the fawning praise The Economist heaped on Shrier’s book which others criticize for a lack of the type of substantive research from the fields of medicine and psychology, that is expected of authors who draw the conclusions Shrier proffered? Answer-nothing good for the magazine’s reputation as neutral, a failure to adhere to the standard of objectivity strongly suggests bias and, a case could be made that the magazine’s bent was the opposite of social progressivism.
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Linda, I like your response to TE on the Economist– well said.
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Bethree5,
You did notice that Linda originally characterized The Economist as a right wing publication. In her response to my post she now claims that The Economist is just not politically neutral. I am sure you will agree with me that there is a great deal of space between politically neutral and right wing.
I am curious about what publications have a politically neutral editorial policy. Could we see a list?
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Thank you, Be Three
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te
We can agree it is political duplicity that establishes the right wing as a mutually exclusive camp, nationalists are included and global “elites” are excluded?
For the richest 1% who embrace the Economist, the duplicity achieves their goals. The uneducated are steered to vote for the Trump party of grievance and anti-regulation. And, the party of the left, attached by propaganda to Gates’ and other tech moguls like Eric Schmidt, gets towed toward pro-corporation legislation and policy, out of desperation for GOP voters, like Manchin’s supporters.
I’ve written before about the scam of national brand advertisements which outrage the right. The ads are perfect fodder to make the point, the “liberal elites” are taking away conservative religious culture. Religious conservatives then vote for the party that big business wants- the party of no tax on billionaires.
Given no movement on tax increases for the rich, SCOTUS’ make-up (and, Leo’s other court wins) and, the lack of Congressional progress on government-based “solutions to social problems”, I think men like Rothschild found a way to make the U.S. right wing.
The guise that the Economist is neutral is icing on the cake.
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Michelle-
The state of Texas made a legal argument that “people’s liberty should be limited to the laws that were enforced in 1868.” (Intercept, 12-2- 2021, “The future of abortion rights is the future of other fundamental rights laws”)
What are your thoughts about Peter Thiel’s opinion, “Women voting in a capitalistic democracy is an oxymoron”
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Wow. Just wow. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Linda.
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Rose Lovell, MD, is a family medicine physician, her critique of Abigail Shrier’s book, 7-2-21:
Controversy erupted here on Science-Based Medicine with a recent publication of a review of Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters by Abigail Shrier. As a family physician who provides affirmative care to transgender adults and youth, I’d like to offer my perspective on the topic.
In brief, Shrier’s book is a fear-filled screed, full of misinformation, biological and medical inaccuracies, logical fallacies, and propaganda. In it, she argues that young cisgender women are “seduced” into believing that they’re transgender by a predatory Internet and social environment.
The book is hardly a pillar of scientific inquiry, either. Rather, it is written in a journalistic style, as might be expected given that Shrier is a journalist with a Bachelor of Philosophy degree and a J.D. and does not claim any particular scientific or medical training. Where citations are provided for claims – a rare phenomenon in this book! – they usually reference newspaper articles, social media posts (usually Reddit or YouTube), or personal interviews or conversations. The book is published by Regnery publishing, a conservative and Christian publishing center which has previously published books from such bias-free authors as Dennis Prager and Ann Coulter. end quote
From sciencebasedmedicinedotorg
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The most recent National College Health Assessment report says that 1 in 20 undergraduate students identifies as transgender. In 2008 it was 1 out of 200.
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That doesn’t prove that identifying as transgender is a social phenomenon. It proves that those who feel they are transgender are more willing to say so in 2020 than in 2008.
Is there more homosexuality now than in the past, or are the social sanctions less onerous?
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Joe,
You forgot to mention one big thing: this review was retracted, as it was simply a hit job: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-science-of-transgender-treatment/
99% of people criticizing her book have not actually read it.
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So Flerp, what’s the problem if someone identifies as transgender? That’s their business, why should I or you or anyone be concerned. It cannot be a fun thing, since transgender people have been beaten to death just for being transgender. There’s a ton of bias and prejudice against transgender folks as there was against gay people, oh wait, there still is hatred for gays.
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Well said, Joe.
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Matt M: I quoted part of an article by Rose Lovell, MD, her article has NOT been retracted, it’s still there to be read. The article that was retracted was by another person; the retracted article was written by Harriet Hall.
Quote: Why Dr. Harriet Hall’s review of Abigail Shrier’s Irreversible Damage was retracted end quote
I cited Rose Lovell’s comment NOT Harriet Hall’s. OK?
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While we are entertaining wildass speculation, here’s mine:
“99% of people claiming that 99% of the people criticizing her book have not actually read it have no actual evidence of that and are engaging in wildass speculation”
But of course, it doesn’t matter that I have no evidence of that because it’s just wildass speculation and I readily admit it.
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Joe,
You are correct, it was other review that was retracted. This “review” does not actually address any of the arguments made in her book.
I would encourage you to read her book if you wanted to get a better feel for this issue.
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The point is there is some evidence that there is a known element of social contagion to this.
Speaking of prejudice against gays, there is a movement on the bonkers-wing of Queer Studies that asserts that gay people who are not attracted to transgendered people who identify as “same sex” are transphobic. In other words, a lesbian a transphobic if she does a not attracted to a biological male (or “a person assigned male at birth,” as the parlance goes) who identifies as female. If you’ve never heard of this, google “transphobic” and “ladydick” and buckle up.
If you go
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Every element of our society has its wing nut extremists. Don’t judge all gay people by the crazies. I know many, and they live sane, middle class lives. They have children and grandchildren. re Bannon and Trump representative of all straight white men?
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SomeDAM,
I made my statement based not on wild speculation, but on having actually read the book.
A lot of “reviewers” say things like the review above – it was written in a journalistic style, she writes for the WSJ, etc. They do not actually counter any of her arguments. Can you please tell me anywhere in the above “review” where this person made a counter-argument?
This is the new way – you can discredit someone simply by saying they write for a conservative or liberal publication. You don’t have to actually take the time to read what they say or debate them. They are simply wrong by association.
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For you to claim that “99% of people criticizing her book have not actually read it” you would have to have read EVERY criticism that was ever written and have some way of being certain that they had actually not read it. Sometimes people read things and simply misinterpret what they read and it’s not always clear which is the case.
In short, your claim WAS just wildass speculation and you would do well to admit it.
But there is actually a much more serious problem with your claim: It’s irrelevant. It doesn’t matter if 99% of the critics never read the book.
The ONLY thing that matters are the criticisms of the book that were written by people who read it AND, critically, who were qualified to critique the science. That would be scientists who actually know about the issue.
Reviews written by people who don’t know the science are worthless.
A joke, really.
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Lots of healthy questioning of traditional notions going on. A very exciting time of ferment/change.
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That doesn’t prove that identifying as transgender is a social phenomenon. It proves that those who feel they are transgender are more willing to say so in 2020 than in 2008.
Is there more homosexuality now than in the past, or are the social sanctions less onerous?
YES to this last!!!! Nailed it, Diane.
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For a really GREAT and scientifically informed book on this topic of natural sexual diversity, see this:
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Matt: I will read yours if you will read mine. Roughgarden. Masterful work.
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Actually, Bob, it doesn’t “prove” either of those things.
People should to the stories of those with direct experience of this issue, like LisaM.
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Jack Turban MD-MHS, New Book “Irreversible Damage” Is Full of Misinformation
A new book has the potential to hurt transgender youth.
Posted December 6, 2020
There’s been a lot of stir about Abigail Shrier’s new book Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters. The book’s central (and false) premise is that there are massive numbers of transgender youth who are not truly transgender, but rather just confused, and that they are all being rushed into gender-affirming medical interventions and surgeries that they will later regret. As a physician and a researcher who has dedicated my career to taking care of and understanding transgender youth, I recognized the book as bizarre and full of misinformation. I assumed it wouldn’t gain much traction. I was wrong. end quote
Just a snippet from a longer article at Psychology Today
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Joe….It is neither progressive nor kind to lie and gaslight teens and young adults. This is a cult with cult like grooming. I do believe there are actual transgender people (mostly men) but their #s are very small and they take medical/Rx measures in adulthood. This “movement” is very bad for true Trans people, LGB and females. There has been a 4,000% increase in FtM identification over the past 3-5 years. My daughter was a typical female child, wearing female clothing and playing with female toys and other girls (even when boy toys were available). She had boyfriends. Strange things started happening in HS and I just chalked it up to growing up….maybe thinking she was a lesbian? A year away at college, alone in a room with most classes online sent her onto the internet for amusement and companionship and all of a sudden she is acting/dressing like a boy.
She is mentally unwell but trying to find a therapist that doesn’t affirm is difficult AND she is away at school. Most therapists affirm at the 1st visit and recommend “T”. I am hoping that she comes home from college next week with a different view on life. If you really want to see how this happens, feel free to dive into youtube videos, TikTok, Reddits/subReddits. I can guarantee that you will be absolutely horrified at what is out there and what teens are watching/reading.
I am glad I found Abigail Shrier’s book AND a whole community of parents (Dems, Repubs, atheists, religious, Jewish) who are having the same exact issues. I would suggest you go online and go down the rabbit hole before you start shooting off your mouth about the new “trans” people. I suggest you start slow and google something like “lesbians with penises”….that’s just a start. What I find/read/see keeps me up at night because it is so horrible. Social media is a true Hell-scape.
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LisaM — again — 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
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And Joe…Jack Turbin will affirm a child at their first visit. No Psych eval needed. No talk therapy. No assuming the opposite identity for a year or two before making a big decision. There is a whole medical/pharmaceutical community that is making bank off of this since the drugs and surgeries are expensive. I won’t bother you with that since you can’t even comprehend that this is an issue. Cross sex hormones cause permanent damage…including shrinking the size of the brain. Surgeries are permanent. Funny, how a girl can get “top surgery” covered by insurance b/c she is really a boy, but when she desists (and MANY do), she has to pay out of pocket if she wants breast augmentation. I hope that you NEVER have to deal with this H_LL!
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SomeDAM,
Yes, me saying “99%” was obviously meant to generalize, and therefore you can call it speculation.
What’s happening here is that the scientists are criticizing this book in a non-scientific way – “she writes for the WSJ”, etc. That is neither productive nor scientific.
In the full post by Rose Lovell, there actually was an attempt to debate some of those points. However, there were numerous errors which are addressed here:
https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/science-based-medicines-coverage
I’m afraid “Science-Based Medicine” torpedoed their own credibility with this series.
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Bob,
Absolutely. I’ll read Roughgarden’s book if you read Shrier’s book.
I’ll order a copy this weekend.
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“What’s happening here is that the scientists are criticizing this book in a non-scientific way – “she writes for the WSJ”, etc. That is neither productive nor scientific.”
There you go again making sweeping statements without any evidence whatsoever.
Scientists are criticizing in a nonscientific way.
Which scientists specifically?
How are their criticisms nonscientific specifically?
Your claims are exceedingly sloppy.
Bullshit, really.
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Matt
To be crystal clear:
When you say “What’s happening here is that the scientists are criticizing this book in a non-scientific way”, the implication is that ALL the scientists who are criticizing it are doing it in a nonscientific way.
Again, unless you have read every criticism by a scientist and actually know enough of the science yourself to know whether their criticism is scientifically valid or not, your claim is just bullshit.
What is your scientific background?
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OK. I ordered it, Matt. I’ll have it tomorrow.
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Matt,
If you think making claims like “99% of the people criticizing her book have not actually read it” and “the scientists are criticizing this book in a non-scientific way” are fine and dandy , I’d say there is no point for anyone to listen to what you say because your “arguments” are decidedly UNscientific.
Science is all about evidence and your claims are vacuous.
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SomeDAM,
I’ve already said the “99%” was a generalization.
You say:
“What’s happening here is that the scientists are criticizing this book in a non-scientific way”, the implication is that ALL the scientists who are criticizing it are doing it in a nonscientific way.
I’m talking about the scientists at Science-Based Medicine, from which Joe posted. They are criticizing the book in a non-scientific way, which I’ve demonstrated.
You are making a further implication which I did not state. I’m sure there are discussions of the affirmative care model published in peer-reviewed journals, and those articles are unlikely to have the non-scientific criticisms you see from Science-Based Medicine (if it is a quality peer-reviewed journal).
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Matt
I’m not responsible for YOUR sloppy claims.
And you never did say what YOUR scientific background is that allows you to judge whether claims are or are not scientific.
It gets tiresome reading bullshit claims here from nonscientists about scientific subjects.
So, again what’s your scientific background?
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I’ve read a couple pieces by doctors decrying what they consider the sensationalist slander that doctors will rush kids into irreversible surgery as utter nonsense. I suppose that there could be such a doctor somewhere–an idiot. And that person should have his or her license to practice revoked. But I sincerely doubt that this is at all common.
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If you won’t tell me, I’ll have to assume that you have no scientific background and that I should simply ignore anything you post on subjects that have any science.
Not incidentally, that’s one of the primary reasons for peer reviewed journals. So scientists that don’t have to waste their time weeding through the mountains of bullshit one finds in the Wall Street Journal and other nonscientific publications.
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SomeDAM,
I have a Ph.D. in Economics. I estimate I’ve read probably 20,000+ peer-reviewed articles over the years, but who knows exactly. So I’ll just say I’ve read “many” peer-reviewed journal articles.
What Science-Based Medicine is doing is not science, plain and simple.
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And SomeDAM,
What is your scientific background?
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Well that explains it.
And don’t make me laugh by claiming economics is a science.
I might have to be taken to the hospital.
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I was educated as a physicist and spent most of my career working on hardware and software for scientific instrumentation.
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Oh crap sounds like somebody didn’t get their PhD!
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Matt
You keep referring to “Science Based Medicine” as if by showing that that is not science you have somehow proved something.
Precisely what I do not know.
I know nothing about that and could not care less about it.
It could be about as scientific as the Wall Street Journal for all I know or care.
Get over it .
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No, I don’t have a PhD.
But I spent most of my career working on scientific research with other scientists and engineers, including many PhDs
And at least I know some science, which is far more than you can claim, FLERP!
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Oh no, the poet is calling for a science-off!
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SomeDAM,
“And don’t make me laugh by claiming economics is a science.”
I don’t care whether you think it is a science or not. I am not seeking your approval.
Signing off, have a good night.
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Sadly, FLERP! , you know so little science (eg, about uncertainty) that you don’t even know when you are making a fool of yourself, as you did when you were touting covid positivity rates in schools that were well below (sometimes only 1/10) the uncertainty associated with the most accurate Covid test (PCR) performed at peak viral load.
And when you were quoting Emily Oster, who repeatedly made the very same error (among other things)
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SDP, do you at least have a master’s degree?
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Bob, it’s easy to laugh it off when your kid is not involved. This is why I have closely followed DEI/SEL in our public schools (it’s NOT CRT!). Please read the many articles and especially the response sections. Same stories being told by many parents. When the “Sh_t hits the fan”, and it will, there will be numerous lawsuits filed. Too many children and young adults are being harmed by the medical community and others in the medical community are too afraid to stand up to this madness. Abigail Shrier’s book is a blessing.
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LisaM,
I’m sorry for the problems you are enduring. I understand, as a parent and grandparent, how painful it must be. My youngest grandson decided when he was 3 that he wanted to dress in girl’s clothing. His parents went along with it. It was very uncomfortable seeing this little boy in his frocks. I was very concerned that the other kids might ridicule him. When he started kindergarten, he decided to wear boy’s clothing, and out went the dresses. He’s 8 now, and very comfortable in his skin. Your daughter may be going through a phase. Whether she is or not, let her know that you love her no matter what. The more you disapprove, the more she will resist. I learned my lesson from my son. Love her, love them. Unconditional love.
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Matt
What am I and others to make of your claim to having read 20,000+ journal articles when you also claimed that “99% of the people criticizing her book have not actually read it”?
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Matt claims to have read “20,000+ peer reviewed articles over the years”
Over how many years?
Over 20 years would be 1000 a year, or about 2.7 articles a day every day of the year (including holidays, weekends, sick days weddings, funerals, etc) for 20 years straight(!)
Or perhaps it was over 40 years?
That would be about 1.4 a day every single day (with no days off) for 40 years straight(!)
Call me skeptical.
But then again, these are presumably articles in economics (not in physics , chemistry, biology, geology, oceanography, meteorology, climatology, astronomy, engineering , ecology, computer science or medicine — or any of the other real sciences I neglected to mention)
So maybe it’s possible (just maybe)
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Lisa, lord no. I hope that nothing I said suggested that I was laughing off what you shared. This must be very difficult, and I am sorry, indeed, that your family is going through this suffering, which I know is quite real. And thank you for sharing your perspective. Your quite real, personal, first-hand experience of this trauma.
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SomeDAM,
“What am I and others to make of your claim to having read 20,000+ journal articles when you also claimed that “99% of the people criticizing her book have not actually read it”?”
You can make of it whatever you like.
But tell me – what are you so angry about? I think maybe you have misconstrued something I said. Or perhaps I didn’t state things clearly enough.
You seem to be really charged on this issue – why is that?
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Matts background is in economics but he is nonetheless weighing in on the scientific validity (or lack thereof) of criticisms made about a subject he has no expertise in.
Makes perfect sense.
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I don’t understand. If someone comes to a psychiatrist feeling as if they are a different gender, is it bad for the psychiatrist to encourage them to explore that? Wouldn’t it be just as bad – or worse – for the psychiatrist to approach this new patient as if they had been unduly influenced by outside forces?
If a person says they feel like a different gender, shouldn’t they explore that? I don’t mean a rush to surgery — I think there are quite a few hoops to jump before that can happen. But living as the gender they currently identify with seems like a way to figure it out. Is there a better way?
I know trans kids who felt very strongly they were a different gender at age 5 or 6 and some in middle school and some in high school and some not until they were middle aged and happily married for years with kids (where they stayed married and became a same sex marriage with their own biological kids). Not getting vaccinated hurts other people, but I don’t know how choosing to identify as a different gender does.
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I can’t resist it, this is absolutely classic NYCPP:
“I know trans kids who felt very strongly they were a different gender at age 5 or 6 . . . ”
You “know” multiple “trans kids who felt strongly they were a different gender at 5 or 6”? How many? 3? 8? I mean, who doesn’t know several trans kids who felt very strongly they were a different gender at 5 or 6? What, like it’s a big deal?
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I see that Bob Shepherd, who I often disagree with but who has always been the most decent person on this blog, is the only person with the empathy to acknowledge and engage with the terrible situation LisaM is dealing with. Meanwhile, SDP is probably somewhere still doing his “you don’t science! I have a bachelor’s degree in science!” routine.
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FLERP,
yep. Maybe you should ask your kids how many they know? Kids are gender fluid, they are trans, they are non binary they identify as different genders at different times. It’s a new world. Just like it was a new world when women started wearing pants. Who cares?
Maybe I would have been like you 5 years ago. But ask some younger NYC kids. They probably don’t even mention it because they don’t think it is newsworthy! That doesn’t mean that “everyone” is trans or “most kids” are trans. But it does mean that meeting a kid who doesn’t identify with the gender they were born with is like meeting someone who was born in France and lived there until they were 5. Slightly interesting. Not something your kid runs home to tell you about “Dad, I just met a kid who lived in France until they were 5”. Maybe they’d mention it maybe they wouldn’t. Ask your kids. It’s a new world, especially in NYC.
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flerp,
I wrote a longer reply that may or may not post.
Ask your kids if they know of kids in their school who identify as they or he/they or gender fluid or trans – kids who do not currently identify with the gender they were born as.
It’s a different world.
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flerp, you are the one who posted the statistic that 1 in 20 college students identify as transgender.
I never thought to think about the statistics. I don’t care. I am just surprised that you are skeptical.
Maybe your kids think that the trans kid in class is not newsworthy.
Do you really not know any trans kids? That surprises me more.
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Below is just a small snippet from a huge article by Dr. A.J. Eckerd from sciencebasedmedicinedotorg: quote
Shrier also often compares being trans with anorexia. The American Psychiatric Association guidelines of affirming care are, to Shrier, politically correct gender ideology, and akin to affirming an anorexic who thinks she’s fat as correct in her assessment. She compares affirming trans patients to a black girl who wants to be white and is affirmed by doctors that she is, in fact, white. Having established these false equivalencies, Shrier goes on to lament that, for the girl with anorexia and the one who desires to be white, “we would cry out for the therapist not to encourage the girl’s distorted perception”. Additionally, she writes, “we would never want (therapists) to automatically agree with the patient’s self-diagnosis…in fact, it still isn’t the mental health professional’s job with regard to any other psychiatric condition”. These statements belie Shrier’s understanding of being trans as a mental health disorder, despite medical consensus that variations in gender expression represent normal dimensions of human development, and the removal of gender identity disorder from the DSM [Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders] nearly 20 years ago. end quote
Dr. A.J. Eckerd’s article is very long and goes into very microscopic detail.
Does anyone remember when homosexuality was considered to be a mental disorder?
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For many years, homosexuality was listed as a mental disorder by the American Psychiatric Association. In 1973, the APA dropped that categorization. One of the prominent psychiatrists who clung to the view that homosexuals could be cured was Dr. Charles Socarides. Perhaps to his surprise and disappointment, his son Richard was homosexual. He was advisor to the Clinton administration on LGBT issues.
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I did not realize until today that LisaM and Flerp were using this blog as a way to avoid paying for professional therapy. Advice to both: this ain’t the place for that. Quit being cheap and looking for free advice from non-professionals. Bases on what little I’ve been able to gather, you should be able to afford it. Get professional help! It may begin to provide the help you obviously need.
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And a sweet zinger from GregB!
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Not a zinger, Flerp, just truly concerned about the mental health of you and Lisa. You’ve got issues that are way beyond my pay grade. My concern is for your children. Hopefully you haven’t fucked them up for the rest of their lives.
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flerp says Bob is “the only person with the empathy to acknowledge and engage with the terrible situation LisaM is dealing with.”
“terrible situation”?
What LisaM is dealing with is very difficult. It is very stressful. It is clear that LisaM feels terrible.
But I hope very much that flerp is not characterizing a young adult teenager choosing to identify as something other than the gender they were born as a “terrible situation”. I hope flerp has enough empathy to consider what it might feel like for a young adult to be going through their own stressful situation knowing that their parents believe this is a terrible situation, knowing that their parents are equating it to their child being in a cult, and other adults in their parents’ lives are validating to their parents that the situation is terrible.
Every kid is different and the pandemic and social isolation has done a number on everyone, especially for some young adults who are newly away from home but isolating in dorm rooms in a strange place. Nothing worse for a parent than to see your kid suffering or unhappy. Although LisaM and I butt heads, I empathize with her.
But I hope she also has a chance to talk to parents of other transgender teens – teens who chose a very tough road not because they were influenced by a cult but because by doing so they became who they believe they were meant to be and found healing in that. I hope LisaM is hearing or reading not just the people who also believe that this is a “terrible situation”, but also hearing from parents who don’t think it is a “terrible situation”.
LisaM, I can see that your child is so fortunate to have a parent like you who loves them and cares about them and worries about them. Your kid is lucky to have a parent who will help them get through it. I hope you are able to talk to some parents who don’t have such a negative view of this – not just the ones like Abigail Shrirer. Those parents are out there too. They aren’t in a cult. Like you, they just love their kid.
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LisaM– Please see my reply to you way down under general comments (seeking more margin space).
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“Most of this blog’s readers regard themselves as fearless free-thinkers, heroic speakers of Truth to Power when they recite all the fashionable left-wing dogmas.” It’s sad when something as important as truth is reduced to “left” or “right.” Truth is above either label. Yes, I do have all those letters I earned in academia; however, what I value most is the common sense my parents and grandparents (Greatest Generation) instilled in me from my earliest years. They taught me values, morality, and ethics of which are in short supply in this modern society. They also taught me about wooden nickels, used car salesmen, and sleight of hand. This is why you really didn’t want to trade with my granddad unless you REALLY knew your stuff because you would come out on the short end of the stick. Common sense is not something you learn at any university, but I can hear a lie for miles. I can see a charlatan for what he is…and I refuse to give in to this useless vocabulary of the left and the right as our society descends into the darkness of ignorance and self absorption. I’m better than that. And it has nothing to do with “wokeness” or any other stupid word the left or right comes up with to define their ignorance.
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Thank you, Paula. It’s frustrating when someone writes to say the blog’s owner and readers are brainwashed. Usually it’s a tweet from a Trumper or an anti-vaxxer (maybe the same).
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FDR’s accomplishments are indebted to the Social Gospel movement which was described as “America’s greatest contribution to world Christianity.”
The movement advanced women’s suffrage. FDR believed that he was “providentially appointed as protector of democracy.” The human capacity unleashed as a result of his New Deal legislation is a result of the ideals of the Social Gospel movement.
The religious right which has taken Christ out of Christian, dominates the political scene, Insight into what that looks like for the U.S. can be found at Religion and Politics, 11-5-2019, “FDR, a Christian and a Democrat”, by Eric C. Miller.
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What’s happening is a movement toward Trumpist driven fascism in the U.S. If Turmpist MAGA fascism succeeds, the majority that refuses to join the movement will be eFFed.
Reminds me of this quote by Pastor Martin Niemöller:
We who do not support the traitor know who “THEY” are.
T’s MAGA fascists, the T loyalists, the anti-vaxxers, the anti-maskers, all toxic maggots
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What do the CRT Takeover of Public Schools, Bigfoot, shape-shifting extraterrestrials from Alpha Draconis who have taken the form of powerful leaders around the world, Jewish space lasers, the unspeakable practices in Democrat pizzerias, Obama’s putting chemicals in the water to turn high-school kids transgender, ancient aliens who built the pyramids, apparitions of Jesus on your toast, unborn babies singing like Elvis, the government conspiracy to hide alien artifacts from us, the faking of the moon landing, JFK Jr. returning to join Trump to make America Great Again Again, the health effects of colloidal silver, Indigo Children, the caravans of rapists and murders at our borders, the Great Pumpkin, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny have in common?
All truths that THEY don’t want you to know. You know, THEY.
THEY are bad people. Some very bad people.
Btw, that cube on the moon was supposed to deliver JFK Jr. to the Q faithful but got lost.
“I love the uneducated.” –Donald Trump
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The name of the Navajo people, in the Navajo language, is Dine’e, which also means “people” in Navajo. The name of the Dunne-Za people means, in the Dunne-Za language, “real people.” The ancient Greeks carved the world up into Έλληνες (Hellenes, or Greeks) and βάρβαροι (Barbarians, or everyone else).
In ancient times, and, alas, persisting in the present day among some folks, most groups had a tendency toward extreme ethnocentrism and fear of The Other, and one of the forms that this took and takes is the promulgation of a national mythology, including an origin myth and fanciful legends about heroes.
Well, if you go back to the 1950s and 60s and earlier, that’s what K-12 American history textbooks were–retellings of a national mythology. And like all mythologies, they were full of utter nonsense. Falsehoods. Exaggerations. And sins of omission.
And, ofc, there are lots of older people in the U.S., people like, for example, our last president, IQ45, who know ONLY that mythology. That’s what THEY learned in school. And there are plenty of U.S. citizens who slept through history class, so that all they know, as well, is the mythologies. Thomas Jefferson was Mr. “all men were created equal.” Abe Lincoln, ale Honest Abe, was The Great Emancipator who ended slavery (and with it, racism).
And there’s the thing about mythologies: people are really, really attached to them, and they HATE IT when historians, archaeologists, scientists, and such like, disprove any part of their national mythologies, when they show some part to be just that–a fanciful, mostly or completely false tale. Of course, this sets up inevitable conflicts, for historians have a responsibility to do actual history, not myth-making, and teachers have a responsibility to teach actual history because MYTHOLOGICAL ULTRANATIONALISM IS EXTRAORDINARILY STUPID AND DANGEROUS. In the middle of the last century, we fought two wars to stop peoples who had taken mythological ultranationalism to its extraordinarily ugly but inevitable conclusions.
And here we are again. We live in a time when one of the major political parties in the United States has drifted so far toward ultra-right-wing nationalism as to be indistinguishable from other fascist parties in our not-so-distant past. And fascists are ALL ABOUT THE NATIONAL MYTH and THE GLORIOUS LEADER. And they HATE, HATE, HATE anything that discredits the Myth or the glorious leader. They want it dead.
Thus the Great CRT Scare of 2021. However, CRT also turns out to be really effective fascist agitprop. It rallies the uneducated and those who are nostalgic for a time when their myths and racism and sexism and homophobia and transphobia were not only accepted but embraced, a time when things were simpler. Pilgrims inviting the Indians over for pie. John Wayne beating back “the savages.” A time when girls were girls (at all ages) and Men were Men.
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cx: And HERE’S the thing about mythologies
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Imagine my surprise when barely eighteen year old me showed up to my first college history class taught by a history teacher who didn’t believe in the American mythology and took great pleasure in blasting them into smoke. LOL! The grad students had a wild time with us in discussion sessions.
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LOL. Yes.
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Thanks for making the situation clear via your comment. I wish all understood it as you do.
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Thanks, Linda. I hasten to add that that business about those peoples being “THE PEOPLE” is a survival in these languages, not an indication of current or recent attitudes or beliefs.
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To Andrew Sullivan, one of the founding faculty of the new University of Conservative Grievance and a promulgator of The Great CRT Scare of 2021:
“There’s CRT for you!’ said Andy Dandy.
‘I don’t know what you mean by “CRT”,’ Alice said.
Andy Dandy smiled contemptuously. ‘Of course you don’t — till I tell you. I meant “Something bad about white people said once somewhere by someone sometime!”‘
‘But “CRT” doesn’t mean “Something bad about white people said once somewhere by someone sometime!”,’ Alice objected.
‘When I use a word,’ Andy Dandy said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
‘The question is,’ said Andy Dandy, ‘which is to be master [white people]— that’s all.’
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Speaking of the University of Grievance-
Abigail Shrier and Jordan B. Peterson have a YouTube video. Jordan’s name has been linked to Bari Weiss’ right wing school. Jordan’s book is described as ” pseudo-facts and conspiracy theory, he creates distortions in subjects in which he has no expertise.”
The right wing’s labeling of legitimate news outlets as fake news was a preemptive strike knowing that conservatives had Jordan, Shrier, etc. who would be exposed as writing and spouting viewpoints without substantiation.
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In response to GregB’s comment: “My concern is for your children. Hopefully you haven’t fucked them up for the rest of their lives.”
Watch your mouth and don’t talk about my kids.
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The subject of that sentence is “you”, not your children. Reading comprehension, tough guy.
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Greg, I have put your last two comments in moderation. They are inappropriate, to say the least. Don’t be offended. You are brilliant.stick to the topic. Don’t get personal.
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LisaM— I was moved and spurred to look stuff up in response to your replies in the sub-thread above [even tho GregB says we’re not each other’s therapists :-Þ ]. Have had a lot of parallel personal experience in trying to find treatment for family rare/ misunderstood phenomena [sexual, mental, physical].
“I do believe there are actual transgender people (mostly men) but their #s are very small”, and “trying to find a therapist that doesn’t affirm is difficult”
RE: numbers: The intro to the APA’s “Guidelines for Psychological Practice With Transgender and Gender Nonconforming People” summarizes the data available: estimates vary wildly [from .17 to 1333 per 100,000], with at least one paper reporting likely underestimates due to documented issues in data collection.
RE: affirmative approach: “The significant level of societal stigma and discrimination that TGNC people face, the associated mental health consequences, and psychologists’ lack of familiarity with trans-affirmative care led the APA Task Force to recommend that psychological practice guidelines be developed to help psychologists maximize the effectiveness of services offered and avoid harm when working with TGNC people and their families.” “Avoid harm” refers to significant data from mid-2000’s studies on everything from denial of care through high incidence of depression and suicide. I think we can assume APA is trying not to fall back into antediluvian attitudes which meant that homosexuality was categorized as a mental illness [per my college psych textbooks – “Deviant Psychology” uniformly blamed on dominant mothers/ passive fathers] until early ‘70’s, and forced retraining boot camps on the scene right through the ‘80’s.
The intro to the guidelines is worth a look. It seems society’s main misreading is to ignore or deny gender identity [which appears to shift not infrequently, especially during adolescence], conflating it with sexual orientation. This is just me reading between lines: sexual orientation—socially– is a sort of pigeon-holing that dictates appropriate partners. That causes considerable confusion and unhappiness for those going through a gender identity shift, who sense a mismatch with their sensed sexual attraction, making them feel socially isolated. (Hence seeking that hell of mis-guidance to be found on the internet). Haven’t read Shrier, but the Eckerd critique referenced by Joe J suggests she puts gender-identity exploration into the same camp as body dysmorphia, a serious psych disorder that will get aggressive psych treatment (so, a return to antediluvian concepts).
However I found the body of the guidelines leads in too many directions to be of much assistance. The advice offered therapists shows that psychologists’ current approaches are all over the map, with denial/ re-direction at one end and gung-ho jump-into-med-process at the other. My impression is that APA’s “affirmative” approach is mainly targeted at a perhaps majority of stick-in-the-muds at the conservative extreme– in other words, “affirmative” may simply mean support don’t counter/ re-direct; establish a neutral exploration.
A big caution light for me (re: your family situation) pops up under late, i.e., adolescent onset in absence of any childhood indications—they note these adolescents more often than not are also presenting with mental health issues. Not much help/ direction at all, just a suggestion that adolescent onset should be carefully examined as it’s not a slam-dunk, as with teens who have been feeling this way since early childhood.
Best of luck.
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I gained insight from what you wrote- thanks, Be Three.
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