Mayor Bill DeBlasio joined in partnership with Laurene Powell Jobs’ XQ Institute and the hedge-funders’ Robin Hood Foundation to create new schools and transform existing schools. The corporate reformers are not offering much money—only $15 million (crumbs from the billionaires’ table)—but they are getting the Mayor to admit that amateur “reformers” know more than the city’s professional educators. You might say that this deal is a vote of no-confidence in Chancellor Richard Carranza.
Leonie Haimson, the executive director of Class Size Matters, has been consistently critical of the DeBlasio administration for ignoring the importance of Class size reduction. She is also critical of this alliance. On the NYC Parents blog, she wrote:
Robin Hood is spending “up to $5M” to create up to “10 New Imagine schools” – and will be involved in the selection process — which means the DOE is giving up authority over the design of these schools to the assorted #corpreformers there for as little as $500K each. #XQ is funding $10M for “up to 10 HS” either new or redesigned schools.
Thus the DOE must be putting in $17M more – to create or “transform” 35 additional schools, as the application specifies that “20 of the 40 schools selected will be existing schools to redesign, and 20 will be new schools.”
In other words, she says, NYC is “a cheap date.”
De Blasio Administration Announces Community-Centered Public-Private Challenge to Open 20 New Schools and Transform 20 Existing Schools Across 5 Boroughs
October 3, 2019
$32 million public-private partnership with initial support from XQ Institute and Robin Hood will transform learning at 40 schools
NEW YORK—Mayor Bill de Blasio and Schools Chancellor Richard A. Carranza today announced the Imagine Schools NYC Challenge, a public-private partnership to create 20 new schools and transform 20 existing schools across New York City into schools of the future. The XQ Institute will support plans for both new and existing high schools, while Robin Hood will support new schools across all grade levels. Launching with an initial investment of $32 million in public and private funds, Imagine Schools NYC will be a model for community-driven school innovation within the City’s Equity and Excellence for All agenda.
“This is a big endorsement of public education in New York City. With this support, we’re going to help educators, students and communities come together to design new schools and re-design existing ones that will challenge our kids and increase academic rigor. I want to see great schools in every neighborhood,” said Mayor de Blasio.
“We are successful when we do things with communities, not to communities or for communities. We are changing the paradigm with Imagine Schools NYC – coming together with educators, students, families, and community partners to design radically different schools from the ground up, and to redesign existing schools to meet the demands of the future. Additionally, this first-of-its-kind public-private partnership will impact not only the 40 “Imagine” and “Reimagine” Schools, but also inform our work to innovate and advance equity and academic excellence across all 1,800 of New York City’s public schools. We’re ready to go, and we know New Yorkers are ready to answer the call,” said Schools Chancellor Richard A. Carranza.
“Community-driven design teams will build upon the strengths New York City is known for—best-in-class leaders, teachers, and programs,” said Russlynn Ali, Co-Founder and CEO of XQ. “The City’s deep commitment to community agency gives school teams the tools, permission, and flexibility to think and act boldly so all students get what they need—and ensure those visions are sustained. That is why we are so excited to partner in this effort to harness the power of community to transform City high schools into engines of excellence and equity.”
“We are eager to work with the City and Department of Education to launch new schools with new visionary leaders at the helm who are well-poised to serve the children in our most under-resourced communities, and to expand the sharing of effective practices between charter and district schools,” said Wes Moore, CEO of Robin Hood. “We know how critical this work is to increasing economic mobility in New York City.”
This initiative will produce at least 20 new (“Imagine”) or transformed (“Reimagine”) high schools, with at least one new high school in each of the five boroughs. The remaining 20 schools will be a mix of elementary and middle schools. All 40 Imagine NYC Schools will serve as models for the system. They will be innovative, academically rigorous, community-driven, inclusive, and intentional in their commitment to serve all students. The 20 new schools will not have selective admissions. The City is committed to developing all 40 Imagine NYC schools and funding their implementation and is actively seeking additional funders to join this exciting initiative. Private funds for this initiative will go through the Fund for Public Schools.
Through the Imagine Schools NYC Challenge, educators, students, families, and community partners will be empowered to co-construct unique proposals for schools of the future. Across the City, design teams will come together to develop proposals for new or existing schools with a focus on Equity and Excellence for All.
Imagine Schools NYC will focus on the transformation of the student learning experience. Examples of the kinds of actions school design teams could propose include: authentic, real world learning (internships, apprenticeships, college courses and visits, projects in the community); innovative themes; college, community and industry partnerships; changes to curriculum to align with interesting, high-skill, high-demand sectors; focus on arts, civic engagement, technology or a STEM subject.
“We know our schools are more successful when parents, educators, students and community are at the table, deciding what their school needs to engage, support and enhance education. We need buy-in from the children and adults in the building as well as the community at large,” said Michael Mulgrew, president of the United Federation of Teachers.
“We have seen it time and again – whether expanding the largest computer science education program in the country, or providing a record number of students with internships and early work experiences – when the private sector partners with our public education system the big winners are students, families and communities,” said Darren Bloch, Director of the Office of Strategic Partnerships. “This partnership with the Fund for Public Schools, the Department of Education and these prolific education funders, will help advance a powerful new model for designing public schools around educational best practices through a community driven approach. We are deeply appreciative to have the XQ Institute and Robin Hood working with us to achieve this ambitious goal.”
“New Yorkers have been clear: they want academically challenging schools, with real world learning opportunities like internships, high tech training, and serious, fun pathways to college, strong careers, and amazing futures. Students and educators have also been clear: they want schools that are diverse, inclusive, and supportive of all students. Today Chancellor Carranza, listening to educators, students and parents, is issuing a call to action to all of New York City: Let’s develop great schools together,” said Karin Goldmark, Deputy Chancellor for School Planning and Development.
XQ Institute
The Department of Education will partner with XQ Institute, a national leader in transformational high school design, on XQ+NYC, the initiative’s work in grades 9-12.
XQ’s school-design process empowers educators, students, and community members to create high schools where all students realize their full potential—schools that are academically challenging, authentically diverse, and aligned to the skills and knowledge young people need to be successful in an ever-changing world.
Based on research and expert practice, the process helps teams engage thoughtfully and creatively with big priorities for high school design and redesign—like listening to the voices of students, getting a diverse cross-section of the community involved, activating teachers and other educators, and looking beyond the day-to-day constraints that often stifle innovative thinking. These schools will manifest key design principles of excellent, equitable high schools: a strong mission and culture; meaningful, engaged learning; caring, trusting relationships; youth voice and choice; community partnerships; and smart use of time, space, and technology.
Dynamic plans for new high schools as well as transformational models for existing schools will emerge from this effort. XQ Institute has committed $10 million to support the implementation of up to 10 high school plans, with the goal of joining XQ’s national cohort of community-developed schools – models for driving equity, excellence, and innovation.
Robin Hood
Robin Hood, New York City’s largest poverty fighting nonprofit, is partnering with the Department of Education in two ways: First, Robin Hood will commit up to $5 million to support the creation of up to10 new Imagine Schools dedicated to serving the most historically under-resourced students in New York City. Robin Hood will partner with the Department of Education on a rigorous selection process resulting in school designs with the greatest promise of eliminating opportunity gaps for underserved students.
Second, Robin Hood will support both current and new district school leaders in driving transformational change through a $1 million expansion of the DOE’s District-Charter Partnership work centered on proven, effective professional development.
Student and Community Centered Design Process
Starting immediately, and continuing over the next three years, design teams have the opportunity to apply to become Imagine Schools.
Design teams, some of which have already begun forming across the City, will work together to submit initial concept proposals starting in October 2019. Selected teams will advance to additional application rounds in Winter and Spring 2020, with the first round of Imagine and Reimagine school designs announced in May 2020.
The application is available online, and the DOE has a robust outreach strategy to ensure all communities are aware of and apply to participate in this opportunity. So far, through the spring and summer, the DOE has invited principals to attend design day sessions. Department representatives have attended community events and distributed flyers in neighborhoods across the City to raise awareness. The DOE will use its social media, website, parent and family email lists, and parent leadership bodies to encourage teams to participate in the coming weeks.
“It is always a good day when there’s investments made in public schools. Imagine Schools NYC is a community driven initiative addressing many, many needs and is a game changer for students. Educators, students, parents and community stakeholders will be able to develop innovative school models that will provide real-world educational experiences for our students,” said Council Member Mark Treyger, Chair of the Committee on Education. “It’s time to build curricula around the diverse strengths of students and in alignment with 21st century opportunities and needs. I look forward to touring an Imagine School in the near future.”
“This is a bold and forward-thinking initiative where students and communities are called to interact and design their own schools and educational futures. Excellence will emerge when all voices are at the table. As dedicated agents of design learning, design thinking, and implementing, we anticipate the powerful school environments that will come from partnering with designers and creative educators. Thank you for bringing design practice to its best purpose and position—to this invitation to all New Yorkers to participate in building the platform for creating extraordinary schools.” saidFrances Bronet, President, Pratt Institute.
“Simply stated, re-imagining schools that lift student voice, promote intellectual curiosity, embrace community partnerships, and position students to succeed in the 21st century marketplace, are all key ingredients for success.” said NeQuan C. McLean, President CEC 16.
“We are excited by the limitless possibilities of the Imagine Schools NYC initiative. Highlighting voices of students, families and the community alongside educators to expand our understanding of schools outside of a physical building. This opportunity to envision schools that challenge and radically change what education can be – prioritizing knowledge and embedding schools as the heart of the community. We are all in!” said Sheree Gibson, Co-Chair, Chancellor’s Parent Advisory Council (CPAC).
“We believe that Imagine Schools has the power to create meaningful learning experiences that extend beyond the traditional classroom walls whereby students own and direct their own learning,” said Fiorella Cabrejos, principal of Fordham Leadership Academy.
“What our system needs isn’t just new schools—it’s schools that listen to all the voices that are part of the system – the students, parents, teachers, and surrounding communities – and create radical change in response. The Imagine Schools NYC initiative has created a path for this kind of innovation in school design, encouraging opportunities for school design teams to engage with their communities. It’s amazing to see how excited people get to share their ideas about school design. The Imagine Schools NYC initiative is what our city- and our school system overall – needs,” said Meredith Hill, Assistant Principal of Columbia Secondary School.
“The Imagine Schools initiative brought students like me to the table, empowering us to own our education and create a better one for future generations. Student voice is critical to changing the way we learn, and I’m honored to have been a part of this much needed, innovative partnership,” said Makai Bryan, a 12th-grade student in Manhattan.
More information on the process is available at https://www.schools.nyc.gov/about-us/initiatives/imagine-schools-nyc.

so the $345,000 that Carranza is paid is just money down the drain for incompetence?
just checking that I understand…that the supposedly progressive diBlasio is betraying us?
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You wrote below: “The corporate reformers are not offering much money—only $32 million” but according to the press release, XQ and Robin Hood only offering up to $15 million total.
XQ “up to $10M” to create or redesign ten new HS & Robin Hood will give $5M to create 10 new schools +$1M for “ expansion of the DOE’s District-Charter Partnership”.
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A small price to pay to buy control of 40 schools.
Jobs and XQ have no success in anything they have done.
Robin Hood is usually a conduit for billionaire donations to charter schools.
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BEWARE of GATE”S Foundation’s “Networks for School Improvement” (NSI). Looks like they are funneling money into LACOE and using MENTAL HEALTH as the fulcrum to convince school boards to enter into “COMMUNITY SCHOOLS INITIATIVE (CSI) Memorandums of Understanding (MOU’s) that will errode student data privacy rights by allowing the sharing of these data with UCLA via LACOE and LACOE new hires to support the school receiving the grant funds. UCLA was already collecting psychometric data on kinder and pre-k kids via MOU’s with my city and also getting it from FIRST FIVE LA plus UCLA collects or was collecting the CAASSP data. (that may be done by a different university now -maybe UC Santa Cruz but not sure) These MOU’s allow for the potential sharing of ALL STUDENT RECORDS with community non-profits and businesses.
Gates Foundation is doing the same in NYC, NJ, Cincinnati and Westchester.
https://k12education.gatesfoundation.org/…/networks…/
Where is CSI getting the money from? They are giving my BASIC AID District funds – $16M+ over three years – to supposedly improve suspension and absenteeism rates and to increase graduation rates. Our school board approved the MOU without even bothering to publically share what those things look like. Although every school could improve, we rank among the top, not the bottom, on these issues so funding us to improve appears more as a ploy to share student data with businesses, non profits funded and staffed either directly or indirectly by Gates and his REFORMER/ Disruptors and transform most schools and student pathways to work by age 14.
https://www.lacoe.edu/…/Altern…/County-Community-Schools
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Public funding, private control. It’s a tiny investment for Jobs and she gets all those publicly-funded schools in return for it.
They do this all over the country. I’m surprised NYC fell for it. They usually target places like Indianapolis or Cleveland. Places that are so desperate they’re willing not to look at the details of these “gifts”.
It’s especially interesting when compared with Boston’s huge new investment in public schools. Doesn’t Boston have the best public schools in the country due to hard patient work over decades? Why not just follow a plan that works instead of indulging billionaires in their various fads, gimmicks and experiments on public school kids?
It’s the same ed reformers in the lead too. No one outside the echo chamber need apply.
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It’s also nonsense to say it will be “inclusive”. Any “ideas” that ed reformers don’t approve of won’t get out of the starting gate. Have you seen the lists of people who review their various grant competitions and contests? 100% echo chamber approved. It’s not an accident that all the “winners” magically align with the existing goals of the echo chamber. It’s rigged at the outset.
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I would tell NY’ers to go look at Indianapolis. Try to find a single public school mentioned in their investment and “transformation” of that city. It’s ALL charters. Something like 60% of the kids in that city remain in public schools and they have simply disappeared.
You won’t find them mentioned in any of the ed reform cheerleading for the “portfolio”
60% of the “portfolio” gets no attention and no investment. The 60% that is public schools.
It’s a portfolio all right. Problem is all of the investment goes to charter schools. The public school kids are apparently in the part of the portfolio the powers that be have decided has no value. Sucks to be them, I guess. Their schools were deemed unfashionable and are slated for wind down.
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public school kids as “the disappeared” — no value, no publicity
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I hope the guinea pigs, i.e. students “Just Say No!” If this is such as great opportunity, why doesn’t Jobs share it with Scarsdale?
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it’s up at Oped https://www.opednews.com/Quicklink/New-York-City-Joins-Forces-in-General_News-Corporate-Lobbyists_Deblasio_Diane-Ravitch_Education-191004-657.html#comment746617 with this comment!
Go to my series on the War on Teachers, https://www.opednews.com/Series/War-on-teachers-and-the-pr-by-Susan-Lee-Schwartz-150217-827.html
and see how they took out the real voices of LEARNING, and then over 20 years defunded public education to cause catastrophic failure… so they could ‘reform” public education into private ed
Finally, the process for the utter demolition of our public schools is in the media. But we have yet to hear how this process took out NYC schools, as NYC is the largest school system in America. Watch this Grassroots video and see how it was done
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From the XQ website XQ UPDATE
Following a decision by the Somerville Schools Committee in Massachusetts, Powderhouse Studios did not open in 2019.
Design Thinking Academy (formerly Delaware Design Lab) closed in June 2019. Reflections coming soon.
The XQ people will micromanage the small grants that they give.There will also be ripoffs by people who will want to do exactly what charters do–set u a business on the side and then bill the school for those services. I know this from what happened at the Delaware Design Lab.
I hope that parents and others will see through the flash and PR. Most of the “innovative high schools” presented at the website are designed to train kids for jobs.
I am not in NYC but I am also aware that Robinhood has no interest is education except as it can be reduced to monetary value.
Robinhood.org has a website that shows some of the “metrics” that can be used to calculate the value of a preschool program in NYC. The basis for each calculation is given in detail. The overall result is an estimate of $50,650 per child…in 2014. See pages 3 to 6 for the specifics. There are additional calculations of the dollar value of expected social costs avoided, if “proper” interventions are made and produce the best outcomes.
You can bet your whatever that these programs do NOT invest $50,650 per child in preschool. The calculation is designed to market the program to government officials who have a short term goal of cutting budgets for social services, including pre-school. The marketers, including government officials will usually tell citizens that the “deal” will save taxpayers $50,650 per child in the long run. In fact, if the program succeeds in producing the carefully selected targets, then the taxpayers pay the investors back, and with an estimated 7% profit.
This kind of financial product is being marketed internationally. One effect is that governmental responsibilities for the public welfare and the common good, especially social services, are transformed into opportunities for government-endorsed private control and profiteering.
I think XQ has the same mindset and will dump any underperforming school as soon as staff decide the schools is underperforming relative to the contract signed for the money.
Click to access Metrics-Equations-for-Website_Sept-2014.pdf
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Watched the rise and fall of XQ and the Design Thinking Academy. Good ideas on paper, not able to maintain in reality.
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“Robbin The Hood”
Robbin the hood
Of public schools
Fillin with flood
Of charter tools
Out of the wood
With his Merry Men
Robbin The Hood
Has struck again
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All Dem Pres. candidates have written off public education except for Bernie Sanders. DiBlasio is at the corporate center of the Democratic Party. Public education has no advocate in any level of govt. or any political party, except for Bernie Sanders, who is being written off and marginalized by the major media. If Bernie is not nominated to defeat Trump in 2020, public education will continue being undermined by private wealth for the next decade.
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Laurene Jobs was recently featured dining with Ben Affleck. Maybe Matt Damon should send his friend a copy of “Backpack Full of Cash.”
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Ben Affleck full of cash?
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Maybe Matt Damon should make THAT movie
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Just read the city’s press release and am so pissed. We have schools in this city that are already doing wonderful things. Why aren’t we emulating them instead of puffing up the PR cred of Robin Hood and Laurene Powell-Jobs? Infuriating.
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So this is why they want to get rid of G&T… I had seen a comment after a recent article where the commenter suggested that they wanted to get rid of G&T to make way for more charters. I didn’t want to believe it, but that commenter was quite prescient.
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As much as I dislike this move, I think it has nothing to do with G&T. The recommendation to shut down came from SDAG, many members of which are on record against charters. I am not on SDAG, but I too think G&T, at least as done in NYC, should go. That in no way means that we should hand our schools over to corporate forces.
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The timing and the people quoted in the press release make me very suspicious. Treyger has been against G&T and McLean is on SDAG and also CEC16 President, who recently made a big to-do about getting rid of the G&T that had just been added in his district.
My children attend a G&T program and it is truly a wonderful place. I was a bored student in mixed ability classrooms in both an urban public and private schools, so I am not only in favor of G&T as a parent, but as a former student who could have benefitted from such a program. These programs should be expanded, not eliminated. It is a shame the extent to which SDAG has mischaracterized the G&T program and the families and children, while not holding the DOE accountable for excluding black and brown children from this program. Furthermore I don’t see how any of this Laurene Jobs nonsense will help improve diversity, especially in the SHS, if any of it works at all.
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And another point – It seems to me that the DOE wants to get rid of a great program and its organized, politically-active parents in order to force more privatization on the school population.
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The points you cite do not hold up your argument. As I mentioned NeQuan and others on SDAG who are opposed to G&T are not proponents of charters/privatization. So it does not follow that they want to get rid of G&T so as to make room for privatization (your argument). That sounds like conspiracy thinking. Drawing students out of the gen ed population into G&T programs (or specialized high schools) leads to parallel and unequal systems–not that different from charters, if you think about it. Like you, I was bored when I was a student back in the day. But that was when we sat in rows facing the board and the teacher taught one thing to the whole class and we followed along. Later we were tracked, and though my school was nominally integrated, tracking ensured that there was very little integration within classrooms. Did tracking mean that the particular classes I was in went somewhat faster? It did, but at what cost to social justice and my own socialization? NYC’s G&T has no special curriculum and its teachers are not specially trained. Meanwhile, best practice in the gen ed classroom should have students frequently working in groups and independently so that they can work more at their own pace and cultivate their own interests. If that isn’t happening, that should be where the fight is, not on pulling out some kids and leaving the rest to just muddle through.
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It’s very possible this will end up being a bad idea, but just wanted to point out that the union officials seem to be on board. This is from the NY Times story:
“Michael Mulgrew, president of the city’s teachers union, said he believed the program would be different from Mr. Bloomberg’s approach to new schools. “You are going to have a school that is founded on real collaboration, not this top-down approach that turns everyone off,” Mr. Mulgrew said.”
I have no idea if the union officials are just as co-opted as many people believe de Blasio is. But then why even bother to support a union anyway if their leaders are untrustworthy and are clearly selling out parents and kids for their own agenda?
I don’t like the idea of taking outside money to support public schools but de Blasio as certainly been the object of intense attacks because he isn’t getting donors to support public schools the way Bloomberg did and therefore de Blasio is failing children. And he is bashed when he spends taxpayer money for Renewal schools that only helped children to be healthier and feel better which the media tells us was a complete waste since their test scores did not improve.
I will be like Michael Mulgrew and wait and see what happens with this money before I go on the attack.
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Oh, please. Inviting Laurene Powell Jobs, XQ, and Robin Hood to take over 40 schools with a measly investment of $17 million is a giveaway.
What has she ever done that succeeded?
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And I’d add that I wouldn’t take cues from Mulgrew. He has been a terrible leader, especially when it comes to standardized testing and the opt out movement. So many rank and file teachers I know loathe him for this.
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Well, she got Steve Jobs to marry her.
There’s that.
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And she also got him to leave his billions to her when he died.
I can’t think of anything else, but at least that’s two things.
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Oh, and she has also convinced a lot of people to listen to her ideas on education even though she is clueless.
So, that makes 3 things.
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I’m sure I could probably think of some more along the same lines if I tried for a couple seconds, but it’s not worth my time.
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“It’s very possible this will end up being a bad idea, but just wanted to point out that the union officials seem to be on board.”
“I will be like Michael Mulgrew and wait and see what happens with this money before I go on the attack.”
It’s amazing how those statements get attacked as a knee-jerk defense of de Blasio.
If you want to know why the Republicans get away with debasing this country’s discourse, you have only to read FLERP!’s rush to attack and demean anyone who doesn’t 100% agree with whatever is the politically view of things.
In fact, I knew when I posted that it was very likely someone like FLERP! or SomeDAMPoet would use this blog to make snide comments. I had to decide if I cared enough about the issue to post or whether I should be scared off and shut up as they wish. Isn’t that the modus operandi of making personal attacks on those who disagree? The right wingers have perfected it.
Why have a discussion when FLERP! and SomeDAMPoet insist what we need is to attack and demean anyone who dares to disagree with what must be accepted as the truth? We saw this when anyone dared to defend “she who must not be named” in 2016 when anything and everything was immediately mischaracterized as more evidence that she was a secret right wing hater of all things good and those who defended “she who must not be named” were belittled and attacked? Anyone who wanted to have a more reasonable discourse about the mischaracterizations was accused of being a “knee-jerk defender” of she who may not be named.
I especially liked how FLERP! — who has certainly made it clear in the past that he/she supports charters and single-test admission to specialized high schools — doesn’t offer an opinion on the issue, but simply decides to post to belittle another poster.
I assume FLERP! – given past posts – is not against foundations giving money to either public schools or charters. I know SomeDAMPoet posted to make clear his anti-charter position, but FLERP! is not anti-charter. (Feel free to call my bluff, FLERP!, and explain that I am wrong and you think charters should be shut down, but I am pretty confident you won’t.)
Will FLERP! and SomeDamPoet stop their snide remarks if I do this:
I abjectly apologize for daring to bring up that given Mulgrew’s response, it might be worth it to wait and see. I did not realize that I should accept that teachers union and its leaders are just as corrupt as de Blasio and Carranza are.
I must agree with you that my two statements above should be treated as an “inevitable defense” instead of the start of a discussion that might be more interesting. I abjectly apologize for not remembering that anyone who doesn’t agree should be subject to ridicule and censure. That is clearly the way that you believe is the kind of discourse that we should have here.
I was absolutely wrong — and certainly deserving of the most harsh ridicule — for daring to bring up that it seems rather early to immediately attack a politician who has never been the rabidly pro-charter Mayor his haters insist he is, especially since union leader Michael Mulgrew seems to be on board.
I should never bring up that I do not believe that it is correct that Jobs has been invited to “take over 40 schools”. I should admit that is exactly the plan that de Blasio has. Here are 40 schools and lots of our own DOE money, you take them over and tell the parents and kids what to do.”
If I post that, will the personal attacks stop?
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^^apologize for posting this in the wrong place – re-posted below.
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Just came to see the inevitable defense of de Blasio in the comments.
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Would you like your 🍝 with meatballs or sausage?
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“It’s very possible this will end up being a bad idea, but just wanted to point out that the union officials seem to be on board.”
“I will be like Michael Mulgrew and wait and see what happens with this money before I go on the attack.”
It’s amazing how those statements get attacked as a knee-jerk defense of de Blasio.
If you want to know why the Republicans get away with debasing this country’s discourse, you have only to read FLERP!’s rush to attack and demean anyone who doesn’t 100% agree with whatever is the politically view of things.
In fact, I knew when I posted that it was very likely someone like FLERP! or SomeDAMPoet would use this blog to make snide comments. I had to decide if I cared enough about the issue to post or whether I should be scared off and shut up as they wish. Isn’t that the modus operandi of making personal attacks on those who disagree? The right wingers have perfected it.
Why have a discussion when FLERP! and SomeDAMPoet insist what we need is to attack and demean anyone who dares to disagree with what must be accepted as the truth? We saw this when anyone dared to defend “she who must not be named” in 2016 when anything and everything was immediately mischaracterized as more evidence that she was a secret right wing hater of all things good and those who defended “she who must not be named” were belittled and attacked? Anyone who wanted to have a more reasonable discourse about the mischaracterizations was accused of being a “knee-jerk defender” of she who may not be named.
I especially liked how FLERP! — who has certainly made it clear in the past that he/she supports charters and single-test admission to specialized high schools — doesn’t offer an opinion on the issue, but simply decides to post to belittle another poster.
I assume FLERP! – given past posts – is not against foundations giving money to either public schools or charters. I know SomeDAMPoet posted to make clear his anti-charter position, but FLERP! is not anti-charter. (Feel free to call my bluff, FLERP!, and explain that I am wrong and you think charters should be shut down, but I am pretty confident you won’t.)
Will FLERP! and SomeDamPoet stop their snide remarks if I do this:
I abjectly apologize for daring to bring up that given Mulgrew’s response, it might be worth it to wait and see. I did not realize that I should accept that teachers union and its leaders are just as corrupt as de Blasio and Carranza are.
I must agree with you that my two statements above should be treated as an “inevitable defense” instead of the start of a discussion that might be more interesting. I abjectly apologize for not remembering that anyone who doesn’t agree should be subject to ridicule and censure. That is clearly the way that you believe is the kind of discourse that we should have here.
I was absolutely wrong — and certainly deserving of the most harsh ridicule — for daring to bring up that it seems rather early to immediately attack a politician who has never been the rabidly pro-charter Mayor his haters insist he is, especially since union leader Michael Mulgrew seems to be on board.
I should never bring up that I do not believe that it is correct that Jobs has been invited to “take over 40 schools”. I should admit that is exactly the plan that de Blasio has. Here are 40 schools and lots of our own DOE money, you take them over and tell the parents and kids what to do.”
If I post that, will the personal attacks stop?
(I apologize for the double post, as this reply was to FLERP! and SomeDAMPoet and posted in the wrong place)
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Lighten up, NYCPP. You write thousands of words here each day and routinely attack other commenters by name, over and over. Then you call the blog cops when you perceive you’ve been the victim of a gratuitous allusion.
I almost always scroll past your comments without reading them, and I rarely respond to them, because I’ve learned that simply generates an relentless stream of new comments. Consider moderating yourself by not responding to this comment.
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You wrote two long paragraphs insulting and mischaracterizing me, and yet you did not call my bluff and tell me I am wrong about your opinion of charters. What is so hard about being honest about that?
I come here to read what Diane posts and also I enjoy reading the comments and insights from people who post here, even when I may have a different point of view. Most people here post their own views of the issue and explain why they have that POV. I find reading other people’s dissenting views to be very interesting and I appreciate when they take the time to explain their opinions. Often people post and explain why they disagree with me about an issue, as Diane herself did, and I welcome that conversation.
I post here to have that conversation about issues, not to make snide remarks at other posters.
I am sorry I even bothered to reply to your post “Just came to see the inevitable defense of de Blasio in the comments.” You felt it was important to let readers know that, and I should have ignored that insult instead of stooping to your level.
The truth is that I am actually interesting in knowing what FLERP! thinks about Diane’s post and the partnership de Blasio is proposing. Good idea? Bad idea? I would gladly read a post in which you express your opinion about an ISSUE instead of your opinion about another poster.
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nycpsp, FLERP did bait you (6:40am 10/5) so shame on him. Think about not taking the bait. But aside from your exchange w/him, among the dozen+ posts previous to yours, only one even mentioned DiBlasio (“supposedly progressive”). The criticism is of XQ failures & RobinHood history of donations. The responses to yours were about the union and Powell Jobs. No doubt we are all disappointed that NYC’s Democrat mayor has joined hands with ed-reformer billionaires, but it’s not like that hasn’t happened elsewhere. It is hard to take a wait-and-see attitude with this plan based on (a)XQ history of failure and (b)the paltry sums put up to “transform 40 schools”, suggesting much more taxpayer $ than they’re offering will be thrown down what history tells us is likely to be a good-money-after-bad hole.
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DeBlasio is term limited. He has jumped on the reformer money train.
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bethree5,
Yes, thank you. You are absolutely correct. That is what I was trying to say above — that I was sorry I had taken the bait. I should not have done so.
I think you missed the post @ 3:09pm, 10/4 “DiBlasio is at the corporate center of the Democratic Party.” I was specifically trying to avoid having a pointless argument with someone about whether or not de Blasio was at the “corporate center”. I posted what I thought was a fairly innocuous comment that started with an acknowledgment that this might very well be a bad idea and trying to explain why I thought there were reasons to wait to see more about this!
You make very good points and you may be correct. However, I see the possibility that the paltry sum is so paltry because it isn’t to “buy” NYC public schools on the cheap but because it is to fund stakeholders coming up with ideas about how to address this. That’s not to say that it might end up being a sham to turn over the public schools to privatizers, but in my opinion, that is not in keeping with what de Blasio is about.
I seem to be the only person in NYC who thought de Blasio’s idea to spent a fair amount of money on Renewal schools was admirable. It’s what we should be doing — directing significantly more resources to schools that teach the students who aren’t just poor, but often come from the most entrenched poverty and economic deprivation. I loved the idea of significant wraparound services. I realize the execution of that didn’t work as well as it should, but often programs like that don’t work at the beginning and are given some time for people to trouble shoot. And some of the more comprehensive studies demonstrated that the kids in some Renewal schools did benefit even if it didn’t have much impact in many other schools. But the drumbeat of how it was a failure with huge sums of money “wasted” took over.
I don’t think there are easy solutions to how to address the education of students in the most high poverty schools. And I do think de Blasio’s decisions in K-12 education are to serve a progressive agenda and not a corporate one. The DOE has been willing to take some stances that are very unpopular – pilot middle school integration efforts that are lottery-based instead of state test/report-card based to improve integration and addressing SHSAT only admissions to specialized high schools. He has made mistakes, but it is near impossible to make changes or enact policies that are going to be rousing successes immediately (the pre-k for all program is an exception and I shudder to think how fast that would have ended if there had been any missteps at the beginning that the critics could jump on).
Again, you and Diane Ravitch make excellent points about these private partners not being trustworthy. I am certainly not accepting that this is a great idea. But if I start with the assumption I have (that I realize other people do not) that de Blasio’s goal is to help students in the most struggling schools without turning their education over to privatizers, then I can see that he needs to come up with ideas that the stakeholders themselves — parents, teachers, administrators, DOE, etc. — are part of. If he gets funding to try to make that happen, it doesn’t seem like a bad idea. I would certainly watch closely any giveaway to establish new charters and what that definition of “charter” meant.
I tried to make it clear that I was not posting because I thought that people who didn’t like this deal were wrong — you very well may be correct. I posted the reasons I wasn’t certain you were right. Diane Ravitch and you both wrote interesting and appropriate responses. (Thank you!) I didn’t think that what I posted was objectionable enough to warrant a snarky response! Followed up by an insulting “spaghettification” video by a second poster. But you are right and I will do my best to ignore such middle school taunts in the future. But I honestly believe most people here would not intentionally taunt another poster if they knew it bothered them. Because, what is the point unless belittling people is just a game?
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DeBlasio was right to try to support schools instead of closing them but Renewal was doomed from the start because the Mayor relied on Klein-Bloomberg retreads to carry his plan out. They never had a new idea, they refused to reduce class sizes, they relied on inexperienced principals. Even now, Carranza’s top Deputy came from Bloomberg’s failed Leadership Academy, never having been a teacher or a principal.
DeBlasio never installed his own team.
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