Sara Roos, aka the Red Queen in LA, explains here why public schools and charter schools are bound to clash.
To begin with, they are competing for a finite amount of public dollars and a finite number of students. It is a zero-sum competition.
To make matters worse, the needs of both entities is not reciprocal, nor is the distribution of these commodities without impact on the other entity. That is, the cost to educate every pupil is not equivalent, some are costlier than others. And where you cluster funds is not a matter of +$1 here means -$1 there because the impact of a dollar matters depending where it is. There are economies of scale, for example, to be gained or it is long-acknowledged that severely disadvantaged communities require more money to come to equity (this is what Federal Title 1 dollars provide, it is why the new “LCFF” uses a formula to assign more money per capita to poorer schools than to relatively richer ones).
Therefore while it’s possible for both entities to tolerate one another, it’s not possible for their existence not to impact the other.
That’s where the fallacy lies. Folks who wonder ingenuously why we can’t all “just get along”, seem not to understand the pernicious consequences of charter schools on the totality of a public education system.
The underlying game-plan of charters is to rarefy its pupil-population, by hook or by crook. Sometimes in the past, this has been done illegally through fixing lotteries or selections processes. Sometimes the lottery process has been weighted through a sanctioned, if questionable, process. Empirical reports of “counseling out” already admitted kids are easy to come by; discouraging applicants to begin with through onerous application or enrollment procedures, for example, which disproportionately impact the “wrong sort” is another trick. There are many, many, many sleights of hand employed to fix the underlying demographic of a charter school in a certain fashion (there are, after all, many, many charter schools). The reciprocal of fashioning a student body just-so, means that elsewhere in the system whatever is overrepresented among charters, is underrepresented among RDS.
The “business plan” of charters is to manipulate the student and parent demographic to their advantage, and that disadvantages the public schools.
Sure we can get along if what you need does not negatively effect what I need. But your school system inherently, necessarily, diminishes mine. It will inherently, necessarily, with time, bankrupt mine. And it will inherently, necessarily, with time grow what is to me democratically intolerable social inequity with time.
“Regular Public District Schools” were designed to be by, for and about the public: it is democracy itself.
Charters are simply the modern incarnation of ancient tribalism, constitution-era separatism, pre-Plessy “separate but equal” schools.
Sending your child – yes, yours – to sit beside someone who is different, smells different, looks different, speaks differently, thinks differently, acts different: this plurality is intrinsically valuable. It sustains a system of equal opportunity and it assures a possibility of awareness and tolerance of things-different.
As we march today nationally, even internationally, toward fascism, protecting with fierceness a public education system of equity for, and by us all, seems about as critical – most very especially for “progressive democrats” – as the very sustenance of democracy itself.

This is a wonderful article, but limited in its role,which is still a good one.Democrat politicians have to be educated,which includes the unpleasant task of facing up to the roles played by Obama with Gates and Duncan, and getting some sort of divorce or separation. Hopefully some republicans will climb aboard, even just a few. People in the rcm….regular clueless media…. are not interested in covering this subject. It is not very exciting, and not very easy to write or talk about.
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Yes Obama , Ducan & Etals….
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Last night I was asked about voting for Steve Zimmer by a friend whose daughter lives in his district. She had the opinion that Zimmer has and would continue to stop the growth of charter schools. I explained that he was voted in favor of charters more often than not due to the fact that the law is very lax and makes it almost impossible for a charter to not be opened or renewed.
In the end, I explained that a charter expansion would severely impact the funding at her granddaughter’s LAUSD elementary school. This particular school is located adjacent to Beverly Hills are raises hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund extra staff and programs. If they lose funding, it may be that the parents will just up their contributions to make up the difference. But that is not what is going to happen in the rest of LAUSD’s, in which the majority have up to 80% or more of their students identified as socio-enconomically disadvantaged.
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Educator,
Sadly, if the LAUSD rejects a new charter, the LA County board approves it. If things are so bad that the County board rejects it, the state board approves it. This is about Gov Jerry Brown, who loves charters, and the Silicon Valley money. Let’s hope CA elects a pro public school governor in 2018
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Agree Diane…the only candidate for Governor who is pro public school all the way is John Chiang who I am supporting. Chiang has been in elected roles in California for 14 years and he has proven his ability and his deep intellect to now run our state. He is squeaky clean.
LA’s former charter supporter Mayor Villaraigosa is collecting billioniare cash by the barrel full so he can continue to be Eli Broads’ puppet and push for total privatizing of LA and all California schools by also running for Guv. He is FAR from squeaky clean and he has a checkered past, even admitting he could never have gotten into UCLA without affirmative action, for he had been a terrible high school student. He also went to a barely accredited for profit law school and took the Bar exam multiple times and never could pass it…so he finally gave up. He also publicly was in adulterous relationships while mayor and shamed his teacher wife repeatedly. And he is joined at the hip with Deasy and Broad. YES…very FAR from squeaky clean.
It is imperative for people to become smarter and more dedicated to being informed. Today is election day in LA and the LA Times this AM predicts only a 7% turnout in the most important districts where Monica Garcia, the toady of Broad is incumbent, and where long term/residient in the district, Lisa Alva is her opponent. Lisa Alva must win to get rid of the mendacious Garcia who has all the billionaire cash supporting her.
Also, thank you Karin Klein for your the LA Times endorsement of Lisa Alva for LAUSD Board of Education in District 2.
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The Gates Foundation conjured the idea of a compact to secure some “collaboration” between public schools and charter schools.
In fact, the compacts allow charters to do some free riding and raiding of district budgets.
Diane discussed one of these deals here https://dianeravitch.net/2012/05/30/why-the-gates-compact/
If you want to see which cities have these compacts, the agreements, and evaluations of progress go to http://www.crpe.org/research/district-charter-collaboration
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Laura,
I think the goal of the Hates compact was and is to legitimize the charters and put them on an equal footing with public schools, but not to commit them to accountability, transparency, or any requirement to accept kids with disabilities and ELLs. They get all the advantages, the public schools get none.
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The Red Queen: “Charters are simply the modern incarnation of ancient tribalism, constitution-era separatism, pre-Plessy “separate but equal” schools.”
At the core of our rightly-named return to tribalism is the misconstrued idea of what constitutes: ELITE.
Jefferson talked about education and focusing on the “talented tenth,” assuming that these were the highly intelligent among us where “intelligence” is broadly defined–not just good test-takers, but those who seek excellence in all they do. Jefferson knew that, for a democracy to survive, the actual emergence of the “talented tenth” is essential. What an idea–to be guided by intelligence, excellence, and a developing wisdom.
Further, as with Jefferson, teachers know that the potential-for and actual emergence-of this sort of ELITE has nothing to do with race, gender, or how big our house is or how much money and position our parents have. On the contrary, we know that, first, as with nature, the introduction of difference often creates the ground for growth; and second, that kind of intelligence can come FROM ANYWHERE, ANY GROUP, and ANY CHILD regardless of gender, race, culture, economic “class” or religion.
But the return to tribalism (whatever you call it) violates, on principle, those same two ideas behind that notion of ELITE: (a) that difference is significant, even essential, for growth to occur and (b) that intelligence, excellence, and wisdom are mysterious things and know no tribal limitations.
The statistics we now have speak clearly to inter-generational aspects of children’s achievement. Where parents are well-educated, pre-K children have a better start. However, the idea of ELITE subtly bifurcates here to become defined by one sort of bias or another. Where the misconstruing comes from is that, in the minds of many, the idea of ELITE separates from intelligence and excellence and from having a good family education, and becomes associated with whatever race, gender, or economic “class” the family belongs to supporting the idea of neo-tribes and the systematization and manipulation of educational institutions to support these defunct ideas.
Public education is the seed-bed where intelligence and excellence, and the well-being of all gets its best start. Tribal-like separations are AT THEIR CORE, the death-knell of what both democracy and republicanism stand for.
On how the ELITE and POPULISM was viewed AND TREATED by our founders, see the below link to a Huffington Post article.
http://news.huffingtonpost.com/t/ViewEmail/t/CE0455333BD0DE5D/1B021FBB34C6B359D9767B6002735221
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The piece featured in the posting underscores why the leading proponents of corporate education reform—in all its varied forms and shapes and hues—can’t stand transparency and an honest exchange of views and the ethical use of data.
If they were compelled to state that they are fervently in pursuit of creating win-lose situations in which the winners are few and the losers are many, they wouldn’t stand a chance of making their case with the general public—not to mention what that would do to their garnering ever increasing amounts of $tudent $uccess. If they were compelled to admit that they want to advantage the advantaged and privilege the privilege, they would be eviscerating their own “truthful hyperbole” and “alternative facts.” Imagine how self-wounding it would be ff they were honest enough to state that their vision (in all its variants) assumes that the proper role of education is to teach those whom they consider drawers of water and hewers of wood to learn how to obey their social superiors (placed on high by laws natural and/or divine).
How badly does one have to torture the stats & numbers & data, create Grand Canyon-like gaps between spoken promises and actual results, regard cognitive dissonance in one’s own thinking as normal, and shut one’s eyes, hearts and minds to even the friendliest critics?
Folks, if you think things can’t get any more bizarre, if you think the bar can’t be set any lower…
Today’s online LATIMES [appeared in yesterday’s print edition], The Times Editorial Board no less.
Title of editorial: “California needs to improve its complex new school ‘dasboard.’ Here’s how.”
Get past the meandering let’s-sound-smart remarks and self-serving editorial board amnesia regarding their own education pronouncements lo these many years and all the rest. They leave the best for—or is that, they let the cat out of the bag in?—their last paragraph: “Parent Revolution is offering up a solution that could fix the problem without throwing out or diminishing the dashboard. The board should be open-minded enough to consider simplifying these reports by adding to them a little bit.”
Link: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-school-accountability-dashboard-fix-20170306-story.html
I am not making that up. Not a “fake quote” aka “fake news.” Copy and paste from the actual editorial. They are throwing in with Parent Revolution.
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With “thinking” like that, any wonder that so many heavyweight rheephormsters are biting their tongues, swallowing their pride, and finding common ground with Betsy DeVos & Co. so they don’t lose their special access to the corporate education reform gravy train?
Yet never forget that, no matter how inconsistent and selfish they may appear to those outside their privileged bubbles, they remain—political and religious and philosophical differences within their own ranks notwithstanding—committed to their core Marxist principles:
“The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made.”
Stuck like super glue to their Groucho.
And I do mean BIGLY!
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Although I publicly thanked Karin Klein (above) for the LA Times endorsement of Lisa Alva for District 3 LAUSD BoE, I am glad that the Krazed one posted the link to the Times editorial/article which rationalizes outcomes based on Parent Revolution suggested changes to State determinations on success of schools and programs. Parent Revolution is the group founded by and supported by billionaires including Eli Broad, the Waltons, the Wassermans, etc., to work toward charterizing all schools. It was run by the infamous Ben Austin (now by Litt and Rose) who now works full time as the infamous Deasy’s partner for the even more infamous Eli Broad.
Certainly that is far from an objective opinion PRev offers. In addition, the LAUSD overseer of the charters is Juan Cole-Gutierrez who previously was a head honcho of CCSA and supporter of Mrs. Angel, their lawyer and huge charter supporter. This is a den of vipers with little desire or motivation to save public schools. Watch the money flow…as with Celerity…and see how We the People who pay for all this are being ripped off…and how students suffer.
The article also mentions at the bottom of the page, parental involvement. I have worked with this vital issue since 1973 and it has not changed…it is major problem to get parents involved due to many factors such as working two or three jobs, cultural prohibitions, and sheer lack of interest. This is a prime factor since it is uninformed parents who are being manipulated to turn their public schools over to Broad/PRev/Great Public Schools Now…to be forever charterized at public expense with NO public oversight. We all know this drill and the outcomes…particularly if LAUSD is forced into bankruptcy from being left with a ‘red’ budget and a dwindling student base with more needy, leftover, students to educate.
Eli and his buddies are counting their potential profits from buying up all the school properties and assets for pennies on the dollar if LAUSD can be forced into bankruptcy. This is a multi pronged goal for then they can place all their private/public charters in the same sites and use their for profit businesses, like Pearson, to serve student curriculum and other needs and services.
Tea Pot Dome redux.
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error/typo…meant Lisa Alva for District 2…not 3.
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More parents need to understand the zero sum impact of charters on public education as well as the social implications of establishing separate and unequal parallel schools. Public schools represent the promise of America and heart of democratic principles. Everyone benefits from exposure to people that are unlike them. In addition to academics, young people need to learn tolerance and acceptance of others. Isolation often promotes distrust and fear. Public education at its best promotes access, equity and excellence. Parents need to start clamoring for well funded public schools, an investment in our collective future. Separate is never equal!
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