Gary Rubinsten has written a series of “reformers,” questioning their claims. In this letter, he writes to B list reformer Michael Petrilli. Understand that a reformer these days is someone who hates unions, views teachers with contempt as lazy and greedy, blames teachers if schools don’t achieve perfection, and welcomes school privatization. Mike is interesting to Gary, mainly because he occasionally deviates from the rightwing script. For example, it has fallen to Mike to defend the Common Core standards on behalf of his employer, the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, which is a recipient of generous Gates funding.
Gary was interested to see Mike break ranks with fellow reformers by asserting that college is not really for everyone. That was a break with reformist dogma, which believes passionately in the infinite perfectibility of all, a goal that will be attained presumably when every class is taught by a TFA teacher. Mike broke ranks, but it was only a minor deviation. He still hates unions and loves high-stakes testing and a Common Core.
Gary challenges Mike to answer this simple question: do you really believe that raising standards ever higher will produce big leaps in achievement?
Gary writes :
“But this isn’t the biggest problem I have with the Common Core and the defending of it by you and even by Randi Weingarten. The problem I have, and this is one that I have not heard you address specifically, is that it is based on several shaky premises. The weakest premise, and one I really hope you’ll address, is that “raising standards” — making them harder, you can call it ‘rigor’ if you want to use a euphemism will “raise achievement.” Do you have any basis for that belief? I even saw in a recent thing you wrote,
“For instance, the standards are clear that elementary-school teachers should assign texts that match a student’s grade level, rather than their current reading level. Yet the majority of teachers reported that they continue to assign such “leveled texts” to their charges.
“Have you found that when you try to learn something that starting with an advanced level book on that topic helps you learn? Maybe you like to run on the treadmill. Try this, double the speed that you usually run at. See how that works out for you. I’ve taught for 16 of the past 23 years and my goal is to teach just a little bit beyond the student’s comfort level. When you try to push kids too hard, they get discouraged. This does not maximize learning. Even with things that I try to learn, like Chess and piano, if I try to read too hard of a Chess book or try to play a piano piece that is way above my level — it just doesn’t work. And I’m an adult who is choosing to study this stuff in my spare time, not a child who is forced to sit through a math class. Come on. This is common sense. Yet the opposite, the idea that making it harder is surely going to raise achievement, is the main premise of the argument of the common core.
“Yes, I admit that there can be expectations that are too low, and that’s not good either. I see people at the gym on the treadmill and they’re reading the New Yorker at the same time, and I’m thinking if you’re able to comprehend ‘Shouts and Murmurs’ you’re not running fast enough. But I am not convinced that the old standards were too easy like that. In my experience with teachers and as a teacher, I find that it is to the teacher’s and to the student’s advantage for the teacher to teach at the appropriate level, not too hard, not too easy. This is because students get bored and misbehave when it is too easy and when it is too hard. The students, in a sense, train the teacher to teach to the proper level, and a federal mandate to teach faster and harder upsets this self-correcting feedback loop.
“Did Alabama and Mississippi really have such low standards that it required a federal intervention? I seriously doubt it. We all use the same textbooks and teach the same sorts of things. Algebra I, Geometry, Algebra II, reading books, writing essays. What do you think all the educators in Mississippi have been doing for all these years before the common core? Surely kids from those states had to take the SATs and they were not completely bewildered by them so much more than kids from other states. I think the argument that the standards were so different before the common core is incredibly exaggerated.
“The common core has been oversold as some necessary miracle cure. It isn’t a miracle. It isn’t going to cure anything. And it is very, very expensive. It was a waste of money, I think. Do you have some sort of estimate of the complete cost of the common core and the expected boost in achievement because of it. You, yourself, admit that schools are not able to perform miracles and get everyone ‘college ready’ so the expected boost can’t be so gigantic. Is it worth all that money?”

Well, it CC isn’t about achievement and college preparedness at all, now is it? Its about one set of standards coming from one, maybe 2, publishers, and forced through computerized testing which will benefit the computer manufacturer and the book publisher and the standardized one-size-fits-all test maker. Isn’t that the truth? Follow the money. It was never about the kids. If it was about the kids, all public schools would be totally funded, charters wouldn’t exist except for special needs kids, i.e., blind, autistic, etc. TFA’s model would not be to place inadequately prepared temporary help into classrooms with the ultimate goal of bestowing bogus credentials and masters degrees and Broad superintendent school and placing them as high paid principals, administrators, superintendents, or getting them into elections. The reformers wouldn’t have to buy school board races, or mayor or governor races. The charters would not be allowed to “fund raise” – and we’re not talking bake sales – from billionaires with their donations, and yet take public monies. Religious schools would not be able to get voucher funds either. In the end, it is all smoke and mirrors. The elite stick with the elite, segregate the kids of color and poverty, take over public property and line their pockets. Parents need to wake up. Billionaires who truly care about doing good and being altruistic and benevolent need to oppose this evil. The billionaires will not be happy until all the children are so dumbed down, all they can get into is county college, vocational school, or be Walmart-ready after H.S. graduation. Yes master. The reformers have made a deal with and sold their souls to the devil.
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Donna, I think you have pinpointed the difficulty and Mike Petrilli comes from only one perspective and it is detrimental to students ; Alfie Kohn points out some of the other perspective in his book about “Spoiled children” and we need to have teachers and parents be aware of this tug and pull …. Also, look at the article by K. P. Magee at Fordham Institute (just under Mikes article) and add a comment about how she envisions the teaching of reading…. at any rate, both of the Magee and Petrilli seem to be criticizing the teachers because they consider themselves “policy” types. Thanks for your comment it helps me to think.
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Right Donna. If it was all SOOOOO good, all these deceptions would be unnecessary.
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Gary is trying to teach Mike, who is a reluctant learner. The treadmill example is a great way to illustrate the totally absurd and arbitrary demands for rigor that are common in justifying the CCSS.
In local elections here in Cincinnati, candidates from the Tea Party are using the slogan ,'”Stop Common Core.” I think they are overestimating voter awareness of the CCSS as an issue, especially since these signs are in a neighborhood where generations of kids have attended elite private schools.
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Again, the whole idea that these “standards” are “higher” is spurious. Many parts of them are more confused and difficult, but they are in no sense “higher.”
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Bob Shepherd: you cite yet another reason why we need to use the words appropriate to our topic in order to not confound pineapples and hares.*
CCSS makes perfect sense as part of a business plan, albeit driven by worst practices. The goal is a single all-encompassing metric: $tudent $ucce$$. On the other hand, as an education model whose goal is putatively to ensure something even remotely resembling genuine teaching and learning—in the inimitable stye of Michelle Rhee—
It sucks. Even if [again, a la Michelle Rhee] CCSS stood for Common Core Soccer Standards.
Thank you for your comment.
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P.S. For the asterisked reference, please google “pineapple” and “hare” and “Daniel Pinkwater.”
P.P.S. For the MR/soccer/sucks reference, google.
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lol
Krazy, I think that you and Peter Greene are both contenders for the office of Chief Humorist of the CounterRheeformation. And you will be in the sterling company of Lewis C.K.!
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this is what the problem ” CCSS makes perfect sense as part of a business plan, albeit driven by worst practices. The goal is a single all-encompassing metric: $tudent $ucce$$. On the other hand, as an education model whose goal is putatively to ensure something even remotely ”
When people in my cohort entered teaching we were setting a goal to build community. Now teachers are seen as inferior and “business” majors or “STEM” is idealized and our values are denigrated. Yet, I wouldn’t want my children or grandchildren just to study how to make money but the essence of building community is still significant. What has been lost?
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Bob Shepherd: nope, Peter Greene definitely gets one of the top spots.
Me, I’m just your local neighborhood KrazyTA, trying to provide support and assistance to educators everywhere.
And besides, I let the self-styled “education reformers” do all the heavy lifting. How hard can it be to take Michelle Rhee’s insistence on indisputable data-driven this and recorded hard data that and pair that with her admission that there is no way she can actually prove that she took “her” [as if she was not team-teaching] students from the 13th to the 90th percentile—
No, the poor dear said her principal [if I am not mistaken, the same one that gave her a pass on the masking tape/bleeding mouths incident] told her that in person. And—gloryosky!—that self-same administrator still won’t cough up an affirmative to MR’s claim 20 years [= over 7000 days] later! That’s twice as long as Bill Gates said it would take to see if corporate ed rheephorm works!
No, I just pin the leaders of the “new civil rights movement of our time” to their Marxist principles and watch them futilely try to squirm out of them, as in this maxim which could just as well have been about putative “education reform”:
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”
Again with the ¿? The famous one. Natcherly.
Groucho.
Sheesh.
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P.S. Need to take a ‘mental health’ break. Am making my way through A CHRONICLE OF ECHOES. The profile of the typical star of the edufraud firmament is enough to block the sun out even on the brightest day. You and many other commenters here keep me in mind of a song I heard many times on civil rights picket lines, “This little light of mine.”
Keep shining.
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I’m despairing about all this, TE. The fix is so far in, and the damage being done is so great, and the issues are so complicated as to make explaining them to the general public very difficult–that I very much fear that we’re just going to have to wait for Deform to run its rotten course and leave disaster in its wake. So many kids lives harmed. It’s tragic. I can hear in my mind clearly all the knowing reports and op-ed pieces that will be written, a decade from now, about how damaging this deform era was, many of them by people who were collaborators in the deforms pretending to have been against them all along. I grieve for the kids.
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Well, Bob. I guess we will just have to try to be around to pick up the pieces. I may be past my prime, but I can still teach/tutor/volunteer when the time comes. I hope my depression is not a signal of facing reality. We have got to keep hoping. Thank goodness for this blog. There is always someone who is seeing the sunrise when all I see is night.
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2Old2Teach (re: Bob’s comment: (” So many kids lives harmed. It’s tragic. I can hear in my mind clearly all the knowing reports and op-ed pieces that will be written, a decade from now, about how damaging this deform era was, many of them by people who were collaborators in the deforms pretending to have been against them all along. )
I keep writing e-mails to our Governor to tell him that we will be around to pick up the pieces after he moves ahead on his career ladder. I hope that is the case so stick with it…. I expect our commissioner will be offered a job with Pearson/PARCC because he has been leading the charge (how he gets to spend so much time on these priorities and not attend to oversight within his own state is my question… how much time is he spending out of state to drive the Pearson/Duncan agenda?) Maybe with the pieces we pick up we can try to build again?
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Diane,
I cannot stress enough that your insistence on using the whole “right-wing” crutch is both inaccurate and distracts from the goals you are pursuing. To whatever extent Petrilli is a “conservative,” his views wouldn’t pass muster with many (most?) actual conservatives. Petrilli is, after all, on record as favoring a federally-mandated national curriculum (not just standards, but an actual curriculum). Hardly a popular idea on the right.
You also err when you write “[conservative] reformist dogma… believes passionately in the infinite perfectibility of all….” To the contrary, the concept of the perfectibility of man and society is a solidly left-wing idea, one that was the driving force behind communism and that continues to fuel support of the expansive welfare state in countries like ours. One of the marks of conservatism (and libertarianism, in particular) is the willingness to accept the inevitable imperfections of life, the corollary being that government attempts to “solve” such problems will be ineffective and infringe on liberty. The support of Petrilli, Bush, et. al. for the top-down reformy stuff is not conservatism, but quite the opposite.
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Conservatism is all too willing to exclude those they harshly judge as having “imperfections”. To call today’s conservatives accepting is certainly interesting. Conservatives are all to eager to, not reject government in the name of liberty and freedom, but to use government to impose their minority beliefs on others or enrich themselves. In our state, they hold power through voter suppression and gerrymandering. The “get your government hands off my social security!” or “I built that! (with government contracts)” crowd is sadly comical. Sort of like Joe the Plumber now joining a union. The conservatives and many libertarians seem to fail to see the hypocrisy of “less government (just not MY government)”. Ok, enough quoted phrases.
Libertarianism is a sociopathic ideology of convenience. Not practical.
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Well, there are things I could say in response, but my purpose here is not to start a left-right food fight. Quite the opposite, in fact. Diane continues to frame things in standard ideological terms, but I see that as counterproductive. My correction of Diane’s statement was not meant to stake out an ideological position, but rather to simply provide a factual corrective. As I expressed below, the “reform” fight isn’t really between the left and the right, but between the elites and the people. I would hate to see the progress that has been made squandered due to unnecessary ideological splits. Let’s turn back the reform movement, ditch these destructive tests, and put states and localities back in charge of their schools… then we can go back to fighting among ourselves over the other stuff. 🙂
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I do believe you brought up ideology, but fair enough. I don’t defend the neo-liberals either, but I see the resurgence of the far right and their obstructionist, oppositional approach coupled with the scorched earth shenanigans as a bizarre form of governing. We are a 50-50 state now completely ruled by a very right-winged cabal. The anti-education, anti-teacher frenzy here has yet to peak. It ranges from our governor vowing to “break to backs” of teachers to leaders of the education committee wanting to fire all teachers ranked “ineffective” on the terribly flawed VAM. Or maybe it could be the House education committee leader insisting all public schools are socialism and need turned over to corporations.
What is needed is a populist movement.
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So, that being said, Jack, I have two questions for you.
First, Republicans are very on board with these measures and reforms. If the ideas are ideologically opposed to conservatism do you believe that you could call your state and national legislators to oppose these reforms?
Second, does that mean that you agree with many of the readers of this blog on substance while still disagreeing with us in other political issues?
Just curious because every Republican-voter friend that I have certainly embraces these reforms and happily refers to them as conservative ideals. I’m not being sarcastic with that comment, just merely stating what they say to me.
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I am here because I am very much opposed to Common Core and the other reformy stuff. I dispute the notion that Republicans are mostly in favor of the corporate “reforms.” There is currently a war within the GOP between corporate establishment types who are in favor and tea partiers who are against. George Will yesterday predicted that a pro-CCSS GOP candidate has no change to get the 2016 presidential nomination. Meanwhile, the establishment wing of the Democrats is singing kumbaya with Bush/Gates/Coleman in favor of all of the reformy stuff.
This debate is not occurring along the usual right-left lines. Rather, it is happening along elitist-populist lines.
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*Should have said, “no chance”
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Jack,
Fair enough and I appreciate the response. I realize that “my Republican friends” is a pretty small sample size. But I will point out that my state (Republican-controlled Michigan) has been very supportive of all of these reforms. The only wrinkle has been that we may not use Smarter Balanced but it’s full steam ahead with CCSS. With our Governor, Rick Snyder, a rising personality in the Republican Party, happily promoting it all.
On a larger scale, I can see your point though. My bias may be a result of my localized experience.
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Heck, Steve, I live in Alabama and most of OUR elected Republicans (who control everything) have drunk the CCSS Kool-Aid, as well… no doubt due at least in part to all that sweet, sweet money flowing to them from the usual corporate interests. For the last two years, we’ve had bills to repeal the standards, but neither even made it out of committee.
On a national level — until all the “opt out” stuff ruined the narrative — guys like Petrilli and Arne Duncan were running around saying “everyone” supports Common Core except for those crazy, Obama-hating, tin-foil-hat Tea Partiers who are willing to put politics ahead of kids.
I understand what you’re saying about your friends, but maybe they’re pro-corporate establishment types. Or maybe they, like most people, still don’t know what the argument is about and think “accountability” sounds good. One of the big challenges we have is informing the public.
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I agree, Jack, emphatically, that those who really care about local governance and individual freedom will be absolutely opposed to the totalitarian centralized command and control of our school system via centralized, invariant, national standards created by an unelected Thought Police and centralized, invariant, national tests created by similarly unelected bodies, neither of which received any scholarly vetting.
Ed deform has definitely been a bipartisan effort on behalf of a few plutocrats, undertaken by sycophants and toadies and windup toys in legislatures and government administrative offices who were bought by those plutocrat dollars. We have two rival gangs–Dimocrats and Repugnicans–who differ solely in their gang colors–blue or red–each vying for a piece of the great river of green running from the offices of the plutocrats who financed these deforms for their private business purposes.
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Jack: “Petrilli is, after all, on record as favoring a federally-mandated national curriculum (not just standards, but an actual curriculum). Hardly a popular idea on the right.” Are you saying that we lose details in our attempts to describe something? You seem to be saying similar things without a label? It always amazes me that when I express an anti-CORE/testing viewpoint I am called “tea party” which is definitely not what I feel is my represented value in my language . What is it I could be doing better or differently? It’s interesting you see “perfectability” as a “left-wing” ideal because I don’t see it that way at all and I would see the origins way before the “communism” …… so I have trouble following the logic from that point.
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What a fine post! Thank you, Gary. I appreciate your clarity.
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deutsch29: I am slowly and painfully making my way through A CHRONICLE OF ECHOES.
Slowly. Because there is a lot to take in.
Painfully. Because it is—for me, literally—difficult to deal with all the hurt the self-styled “education reformers” have dealt out to so many.
A short digression.
I remember as if it were yesterday picketing Woolworth’s as a small child because of their discriminatory hiring and employment practices—whites as the salespeople and cashiers out front, blacks as the cleaner-uppers who did all their work out of sight in the back. And this in stores with a predominantly black clientele as much as in those with a predominantly white one!
People often sang this song as we marched hour after hour:
This little light of mine, I’m gonna let it shine.
This little light of mine, I’m gonna let it shine,
This little light of mine, I’m gonna let it shine,
let it shine, let it shine, let it shine.
Thank you so much for shining your light in all the dark corners.
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About “raising standards” as a way to promote achievement, the LA Times ran an article about a high school student who was taking Algebra 1 for the 5th time. No one had thought to determine if the girl in question had mastered basic arithmetic. If you can’t multiply (3rd grade standard), divide (4th grade standard) or understand fractions (5th grade standard), you can’t do algebra. It just doesn’t matter that she’s “entitled” to be taught 9th grade standards. Good teaching has always been about determining where the student is and taking them as far as they can go.
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“Good teaching has always been about determining where the student is and taking them as far as they can go.”
Well, shut my mouth! Who would ever have thunk it? Teach them where they’re at and take them “as far as they can go”! That’s what I thought I was supposed to be doing up until the day they fired me.
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I don’t know if you read the NY Times Science section on Tuesday about the Gates money that helped schools in the AP STEM tests. In this case the classes were small, extra funds were given to train teachers and not every student was forced to take the more difficult tests, and the program was working. Why not this approach?
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The treadmill example is great. Assign 250 people of various abilities to a doctor. Set the treadmill to a 4 minute mile pace and throw the people on. As people fall off, blame white, suburban moms. Then measure everyone’s shoe size and fire the doctor.
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Chuckle.
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Mike Petrilli has a response on Fordham Institute today; I added a comment; go to Forham Institute and see how Mike responds. Also, look at Education Next because they double up on everything that Fordham says and then they add a little of the derogatory that teachers are the problem and the teacher’s pensions are too large.
Please leave a comment at F.I. or E.N. even if you agree with Mike because it helps to stimulate the necessary dialogue. Gary brought up several issues that need to be discussed but Mike responds defensively so it doesn’t further the discussion in any way but Mike does a lot of “bragging” and name calling . If you see fallacies in the logic point them out.
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