LG responds to another reader who suggested that eliminating unions and tenure was “part of the solution” to reinventing education:
“I can tell you that eliminating teacher unions is part of the solution, not THE solution. Self-interest groups have to lay down their swords. There are so many structural changes we need to make to our public education system. Lifetime tenure and ‘last-in, first out’ policies are only pieces of the puzzle.”
You still have not responded to the request made in another post for just what exactly the unions are doing that is bad for public education. Instead, you are spewing the same “unions are bad” stuff with no evidence of how.
Let’s shed a little light on the misinformation in your comments.
Lifetime tenure does not mean “lifetime job.” School districts have the power to bring tenure charges up on ANY tenured teacher and prove such charges are with merit. At that point, districts can and do terminate tenured teachers’ contracts. The power is with the school districts–if they do not prove that their charges are valid, then that is on them, not the unions.
The unions only protect the tenured employee’s right to a hearing on the matter. This is actually a good thing for the schools because it gives teachers a chance to speak up for themselves without fear of being fired for frivolous reasons. It provides some validity to termination instead of allowing districts to terminate teachers’ contracts for political reasons.
Tenure also grants a teacher academic freedom: “…the freedom of teachers…to teach, study, and pursue knowledge and research without unreasonable interference or restriction from law, institutional regulations, or public pressure. Its basic elements include the freedom of teachers to inquire into any subject that evokes their intellectual concern; to present their findings to their students, colleagues, and others; to publish their data and conclusions without control or censorship; and to teach in the manner they consider professionally appropriate.” (Fromhttp://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/2591/academic-freedom)
Tenure is good for the schools because it encourages a dedicated staff of individuals to stay in a particular district. In the private sector, the instances of “job-hopping” (at least in a decent economy) are much greater as employees are always trying to get better-paying positions. You are aware that teachers cannot transfer tenure rights from district to district in order to get better compensation packages, right? Some districts will grant a new hire a few years against the salary schedule for “some” experience, but tenure has to be re-earned every time a teacher switches to a new district. It does not behoove teachers to go “job-hopping” since they always have to earn tenure again and again.
Non-tenured teachers live in fear that they will be fired because the principal doesn’t like their personalities or the way they part their hair. Tenured teachers have more incentive to stay with their districts. Therefore, you get a staff of teachers who invest in the school district and community. They have a vested interest in the district since they are teaching in it over the long haul.
“Last in, first out” is not a perfect system, but without it, public schools would be filled with novice teachers since districts will seek to cut expenses by firing those at the top of the salary guide. Districts notoriously hire private contractors to do large work projects on their public buildings using a practice known as “going with the lowest bidder.” For those who believe that cutting expenses in a teaching staff is a good thing, it is important to know that the most experienced teachers are the ones who mentor the novices and even those in the middle of their careers. Experienced teachers know the community and have a stake in the success of the community.
Anyone who knows anything about seniority in the private sector knows that those with the most experience in the company tend to be the people who have the most vested interest in the company. They have the most to gain and the most to lose if the company does or does not do well. Education is not exactly the same, but if you strip LIFO from the public schools, what would behoove teachers to take these jobs in the first place or to engage in professional development that brings them to a better understanding of the jobs they continually do?
Without LIFO, the experienced professionals will just move on thus making a very transient teaching staff with very little vested interest in the community. Eventually you will no longer have an experienced staff since experienced teachers would just be “terminated like expired food” in order to bring in a “fresher” and cheaper workforce. That is what stripping away LIFO will do. How is that better for the schools? If districts do not have a requirement for keeping experienced staff members first, the districts will invariably take the lowest bidder in education staff. Do you seriously want to leave public education to novice teachers?
Tenure protects a community from a transient and completely novice teaching staff. If the community invests in its teachers, the teachers will invest in the community. When people are valued, they are more likely to do their best work compared to when they do not feel valued.
What you are proposing devalues teachers, and that is never good for public education.

The Massachusetts Teachers Association traded away seniority rights with Stand for Children, in order to ensure that SFC would back down from their ballot question.
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As a 23-year educator, I feel qualified to say that experience does matter. So I am disturbed at certain undercurrents I hear in the arguments coming from school “reformers”. The most egregious distortion of the truth currently being put forward is that tenure mainly serves to protect incompetent teachers. In New York City, it is debatable how many veteran teachers would still be in the system without tenure.
I would love to hear Michelle Rhee openly praise the veteran teacher; so far I haven’t heard her make such an utterance. I am aware that she taught herself for only a few years through TFA before embarking on her crusade, which, just like the Crusades of the early Middle Ages, is morally flawed.
I have nothing but respect for that minority of Teach For America participants who stay in teaching well past their two-year commitment. As for the ones who teach for two years, then mount a white horse and aim their lance towards all they perceive to be unjust in public education (such as tenure), well, permit me my doubts.
This being said, I would love to see a non-ideological debate about tenure, and frankly, a more intelligent one. There are some aspects of tenure that should be revisited. I would be the first one to agree that true professional growth should be expected over the duration of a teacher’s career. Currently, professional growth is often just optional – you get your tenure, and provided you show a certain level of confidence, you’re set (if anyone disagrees with this assertion, I’m open to a discussion),
Right now I’m in a foxhole, trying to survive Michelle Rhee’s carpet bombing with a human face (sorry for mixing military metaphors). But if the bombardment ever ends, I will happily emerge and discuss tenure with a more peaceful adversary.
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“There are some aspects of tenure that should be revisited.”
Tenure reform has been a hot topic in New Jersey in the past year. The new bill signed earlier this month by our governor included a stipulation that non-tenured teachers need four years, not three, to earn tenure.
“To achieve tenure, teachers must complete a district mentorship in their first year of teaching. They must then be rated effective or highly effective in two of their next three years’ annual summative evaluations.” (From http://www.njea.org/njea-media/pdf/TenureLawQ-A_2012.pdf?1345733156417)
In the past, my evaluations in NJ had the following possible indicators: Unsatisfactory, Satisfactory, Proficient, Expert. In order to receive tenure, non-tenured teachers would have to have had Proficient or higher as a majority of the indicators to describe what was observed over the course of the last two years or so. Now “Effective” and “Highly Effective” are the top indicators.
Also tenure hearings in NJ will be expedited, not drawn out. The courts will not be the arena for these hearings–they will be conducted by an arbitrator whose decision is “final and binding.”
There is no provision for changes in professional development in the law, but all teachers in NJ are required to complete a certain number of hours of PD as individuals. There is also a professional development initiative in the schools that is partly run by each district and partly run by the association representatives of each district called a Professional Learning Community or PLC. This is a data-driven project with the goal of increasing student learning. Each PLC is run by a small group of teachers who identify a target goal then collaborate along with the building administrator on how to achieve the goal . This is not necessarily a provision of tenure or non-tenure employment–it is a requirement to remain employed no matter what your tenure status.
The union does not just exist for the protections of rights and the negotiations of contracts. The union is a partner in professional development, but you never hear about this positive aspect of the union from the “so-called” reformers. What a shame that this isn’t public knowledge.
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“. . . called a Professional Learning Community or PLC. This is a data-driven project with the goal of increasing student learning.”
Yes, we have that nonsense in MO too. The goal is to increase student test scores and has nothing to do with increasing student learning other than that is what the administration trys to sell. I’ve been battling this beast of educational nonsense for over a decade.
The way PLCs are handled now is certainly not what the Dufours had in mind when they first offered up the concept. It’s all top down driven with making it appear that it is teacher driven. If you don’t toe the line they make sure to let you know, i.e., to get rid of you even if you have due process rights. The PLC process has been captured by those least likely to know about student learning, the administrators. It is used to “standardize” everything and everyone.
Pure bovine excrement pawned off as filet mignon.
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Duane, teachers have a lot more control over how the PLC is run and how the data is gathered. The principal is not making the decisions–the principal is only an advisor on the project. All the initiatives are building and district-based to align with their respective goals. We collaborate on the education of our students anyway–now we can even get “credit” for doing so. Sorry to learn that your situation in MO is so different.
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Experience DOES matter. Due process DOES matter. Academic freedom allows students to become thinking adults, but then, that’s NOT what ed reform is all about, is it? Let’s all be good little workers and not question anything OR anyone!
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I just retired after 30 years in elementary education in Fresno, CA, and I have to agree with Duane. The rules for PLC’s were created downtown and are prominently posted at meetings. The “work” that gets done is guided and controlled by administration and the goal is simply to “raise test scores”. Curriculum keeps getting narrower. What happens is that grade levels find and teach lessons for the skills that are being most highly tested (guides supplied by district); in reading, you don’t really even have to have your students read the stories any more – just teach the skills lessons!
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We have a totally different approach in my state. The specific proficiency goals are actually chosen by the PLC group, but these goals are aligned with the curriculum not the standardized tests. We look at rubrics and other assessments for improvement of both whole groups and random sample students. The study has three assessment points at varying times of the year to show progress. There is nothing “tied’ to tests directly, however, if students do show development in areas that are tested, that is a by-product.
The point of the PLC is to collaborate on ways to improve student learning. If your district is tying it to the test, what’s the point of having any kind of curriculum goals in the first place?
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We feel tenure also encourages teachers to speak out when wrongs are being committed at school ie IEP violations, cheating etc.
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Exactly! In the previous school in which I taught, an administrator tried to get all of the teachers to FORCE the students into saying the Pledge of Allegiance, because the kids weren’t being “patriotic enough.” If I had not had tenure, I would have been too nervous to say to everyone, you CAN’T DO THAT! It’s illegal! I got the policy reversed, but I wouldn’t have dared say anything without some due process protections.
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In Missouri it is state law that dictates that all public schools say that socialistic based Pledge. They come on the intercom, ask all to rise and recite the Pledge. I sit with my hands folded, head down shaking back and forth in a teacher’s disapproving fashion. And I know that what I do has been duly noted by those in charge. Screw them! My students ask why I don’t participate. I tell them it’s against my beliefs and if they want to know more I hand them the story of the socialistic (as a way of hitting their “patriotic” button) origin of the pledge. Flips em out.
I can’t wait to support a muslim student putting down a prayer mat and praying as the new constitutional amendment approved by 81-19% margin (the governor had it put on the primary ballot so it wouldn’t draw the hard core right wing religious folks/tea taliban republicans to the general Nov election) that says students can’t be prevented from praying.
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The Pledge of Allegiance is said in my 5th grade classroom. Although not all students particpate, all stand in respect. We have lengthy discussions regarding the origin of the Pledge, and parents are notfied. No one has ever objected, complained, resisted or shown any disrespect. It’s all about respect.
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AMEN, LG!
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