Joshua Zeitz is a historian and contributor to Politico. He writes here about Nikki Haley’s failure to admit that slavery was a leading cause, maybe THE leading cause, of the Civil War.
Someone asked her the question at a New Hampshire town meeting. What caused the Civil War? She released a word salad about rights and freedoms but failed to memention the peculiar institution of slavery. The next day, she realized that her omission was a major gaffe, and she insisted that everyone knows that slavery was an important cause of the devastating war, implying that it was not worth mentioning what everyone knew.
Jacob Zeitz wrote an analysis of her omission. He believed she was echoing the “Lost Cause” nostalgia so beloved to sons and daughters of the Confederacy.
As a high school student in the 1950s in Houston, I recall that our American history textbook spouted “Lost Cause” propaganda. Slaves in the South were treated kindly, it said. Plantation owners never wanted to damage their expensive human property. The Civil War was about “states’ rights,” not slavery. Many years later, when visiting an ante-bellum mansion in Charleston, South Carolina, the docent said the slaves were content; she referred to the Civil Was as “the War of Northern Aggression.”
Nikki Haley echoed Lost Cause sentiment.
Zeitz wrote at Politico:
In William Faulkner’s novel, Sartoris, someone asks the title character, Colonel John Sartoris, why he had fought for the Confederacy so many decades before. “Damned if I ever did know,” replied the aging veteran, now a pillar of his community in fictional Yoknapatawpha County, Mississippi.
Of course, we know why Colonel Sartoris raised arms against the United States. So does anyone with a high school diploma — assuming they used up-to-date textbooks. And so did Alexander Stephens, the vice president of the Confederacy, who in 1861 famously asserted that the “cornerstone” of the new Southern nation rested “upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”
All of which makes it disappointing, though not surprising, that at this late date — almost 160 years after the Civil War — Nikki Haley, a leading contender for the GOP presidential nomination, shares Colonel Sartoris’ selective amnesia on the topic. When asked a softball question this week about the causes of the Civil War, Haley, a former South Carolina governor, flubbed the answer, calling it a “difficult” question and mumbling on about “basically how government was going to run — the freedoms and what people could and couldn’t do.”
This morning, Haley qualified the comment on a radio show called “The Pulse of New Hampshire,” and followed the clean-up job with a press release, stating: “Of course the Civil War was about slavery. We know that. That’s unquestioned, always the case. We know the Civil War was about slavery. But it was also more than that. It was about the freedoms of every individual. It was about the role of government.”
But as Haley must know — after all, as governor of South Carolina, she presided over the removal of Confederate flags from the Statehouse — many Americans do question the fundamental fact that slavery precipitated the Civil War, and her equivocation played into a long-standing agenda to rewrite American history. Haley was effectively parroting the Lost Cause mythology, a revisionist school of thought born in the war’s immediate aftermath, which whitewashed the Confederacy’s cornerstone interest in raising arms to preserve slavery. Instead, a generation of Lost Cause mythologists chalked the war up to a battle over political abstractions like states’ rights.
With red states doing battle with American history, seeking to erase the legacy of violence and inequality that counterbalance the great good also inherent in our national story, it’s worth revisiting the rise of the Lost Cause, not just to remember how damaging it was, but to confront just how damaging it still is.
In the immediate aftermath of the war,the work of interpreting the rebellion fell to a small group of unreconstructed rebels. The pioneers of Confederate revisionism included wealthy and influential veterans of the Confederacy like Jubal Early, B. T. Johnson, Fitz Lee and W. P. Johnson, who helped formulate the Lost Cause myth that would take hold by the 1880s.
The narrative strains were simple. They painted a picture of Southern chivalry — mint juleps, magnolias and moonlight — that stood in sharp contrast with the North, a region marked by avarice, grinding capitalism and poverty. The rebellion, by this rendering, had been a legal response to the North’s assault on states’ rights — not a violent insurrection to preserve chattel slavery. Even Confederate veterans like Hunter McGuire knew that to admit the war had been about slavery would “hold us degraded rather than worthy of honor … our children, instead of revering their fathers will be secretly, if not openly, ashamed.”
The myth gained steam by the end of the century, largely because of the work of organizations like the United Confederate Veterans (UCV), the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) and the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV), groups that offered a compelling story that people could wrap their minds around — including many Northerners, who were eager to put the war behind them. Because the Lost Cause emphasized heroism and honor over slavery, it venerated military figures like Robert E. Lee and swept politicians like Jefferson Davis under the rug. So it was that in May 1890 over 100,000 citizens gathered in Richmond for the dedication of a statue of Lee.
The decade saw hundreds of towns across the former Confederacy raise similar monuments to their heroes and war dead. These marble and steel memorials were often planted in town squares and by county courthouses to help sanitize not only Confederate memory but the new Jim Crow order. After all, if secession had been a noble thing, so was the separation of the races.
The signs of revisionism ranged from subtle to clear. During the war, for instance, Confederate soldiers had keenly embraced the term “reb,” but the new gatekeepers of Southern memory abandoned the term. “Was your father a Rebel and a Traitor?” asked a typical leaflet. “Did he fight in the service of the Confederacy for the purpose of defeating the Union, or was he a Patriot, fighting for the liberties granted him under the Constitution, in defense of his native land, and for a cause he knew to be right?” Equally important was figuring out what to even call the war. It couldn’t be the “Civil War,” which sounded too revolutionary. It couldn’t be “the War of Rebellion” which smacked of treason. In the late 1880s, the UCV and UDC approved resolutions designating the conflict that killed 750,000 Americans the “War Between the States.” The term stuck for generations to come.
It wasn’t just Southerners who suffered willful memory loss in these years. Jaded by the experience of Reconstruction and in the thrall of rising scientific racism, many Northerners were equally eager to remember the war as a brothers’ quarrel over politics rather than a struggle over slavery and Black rights. The jurist Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., who began the war as a committed abolitionist, later erased the roots of the conflict and celebrated the battlefield valor of both Union and Confederate troops. “The faith is true and adorable which leads a soldier to throw away his life in obedience to a blindly accepted duty,” he said, “in a cause which he little understands, in a plan of campaign of which he has little notion, under tactics of which he does not see the use.”
Of course, historians agree that most Union troops did know why they were fighting. So did Holmes. But years after the fact, he was willing to forget. As were tens of thousands of veterans who attended Blue and Gray reunions well into the 20th century, including a massive camp gathering of 25,000 people who gathered at Crawfish Springs, Georgia, in 1889, near the Chickamauga Battlefield, for a picnic and public speeches. These mass spectacles helped Yankees and Confederates rewrite the history of the 1850s and 1860s, ostensibly in the service of national reunion and regeneration, but also in a way that fundamentally reinforced the emerging culture and politics of Jim Crow.
The Lost Cause mythology was more than bad history. It provided the intellectual justification for Jim Crow — not just in the former Confederacy, but everywhere systemic racism denied Black citizens equal citizenship and economic rights. Its dismantling began only in the 1960s when historians inspired by the modern Civil Rights Movement revisited the era of the Civil War and Reconstruction, adopting the views of earlier Black scholars like W.E.B. DuBois and John Hope Franklin, who always knew what the war was about and had shined a spotlight on the agency of Black and white actors alike.
That’s why the recent retreat to Lost Cause mythos is troubling. One would think that a Republican candidate for the presidency might be proud of the party’s roots as a firmly antislavery organization that dismantled the “Peculiar Institution” and fomented a critical constitutional revolution during Reconstruction — one that truly made the country more free.
With GOP presidential candidates waffling on the Civil War, rejecting history curricula in their states and launching political fusillades against “woke” culture, it remains for the rest of us to reaffirm the wisdom of Frederick Douglass, who in the last years of his life stated: “Death has no power to change moral qualities. What was bad before the war, and during the war, has not been made good since the war. … Whatever else I may forget, I shall never forget the difference between those who fought for liberty and those who fought for slavery.”
Alexander H. Stephens, Vice-president of the Confederacy, described the true purpose of the South’s secession: to preserve slavery. Read his famous Cornerstone speech here.
Here is the key section of his speech:
The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the “storm came and the wind blew.”
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails.

In my last teaching job, I taught two classes of American literature, and I took a history of ideas approach to that class. Well, one day my students came in and told me that the Civil War wasn’t about slavery and that their History teacher (who was a Trumpster) had told them so. So, for the next class, I assigned reading the letter of secession from the State of South Carolina (the first state to secede from the Union). This document makes QUITE CLEAR why the state is seceding. Slavery.
Repugnicans don’t want the truth told because their party is built upon lies, which are in turn an utter retreat from the very reason why they were founded. And the truth exposes those lies for what they are. That’s why they are so desperate to take over colleges, move kids into taxpayer-supported Christian nationalist religious schools, implement a mythologized history (the 1776 curriculum), and ban books from libraries and classrooms.
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Write on! and Right on! My last teaching job (8th grade) had the major SS focus on the Civil War. I don’t remember everything, but I spent hours researching to make sure the kids got the proper resources. What I find highly irritating (in this day and age) is that a person who is running for the highest position in the country doesn’t seem to have the wherewithal to “Google” information (research at the library as well). Just to be sure, I double-checked my recollection and bottom line “slavery.” Of course, there was more to it as well, but geez…just like I taught my students, do your research; cross reference — just irks me they spout off so much BS. As I would often say, “Oh, yeah. Who told you that? Really, cite your sources. If not, it’s just an opinion. But, that’s why I am here to help you find the truth. As in the X-files, it is out there.” Happy 2024 — let’s hope for a better than before…
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It’s not a matter of her not knowing the truth. It’s a matter of not wanting to alienate any part of the base, including the considerable neo-Nazi component, in the middle of the primaries. She doesn’t want to lose the extremists among the Trumpsters. So, she tried to equivocate, to answer without answering.
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Yeah. Silly me. I keep thinking that someone vying to lead people had some morals and integrity. When my students asked if I ran for office what would I do. I told them, “I would do what is right by the people; focus on what we need to do to make today better than yesterday. None of this BS.” But I guess my son was right: Politics = Poly many and tics = blood sucking insects.
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Richard, good to hear. Stay well in 2024!
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Another great piece. Thank you Diane
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If you asked me, I’d say the period following Reconstruction was even more tragic.
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Thanks for the post. It’s helpful for clarity.
A historian similar to Zeitz, may provide, in the future, an equally cogent telling of the political aftermath of the Hamas attack against Israel.
This morning, I’ve been pondering an opinion piece at The Hill, “The University FDR Dilemma.” I don’t know if the author has drilled down to a simple and accurate assessment or, if he has, merely, crafted a simplistic and PC cloth of disparate issues together.
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Texas used to be the state upon which textbook companies based content for national distribution, although I don’t recall any revisionist history from my education in Philadelphia. In reference to The Civil War, I recall learning that Southerners felt that their way of life was threatened, but it was clear that this life included the right to hold slaves. At least when students brought home texts, parents sometimes had access to the text students used.
Now that so much information is delivered through canned instruction online, what students learn in school is more of a mystery. I don’t know if districts still write their own curriculum, which was the practice for all of my public school teaching career, and it was implemented by teachers, not machines. All copies of local curricula were available for parents to read, although few ever actually did it. Parent were invited to come to the administration building to read local curricula school at board meetings. The process was totally open and transparent.
Today, some states like Florida are using Prager U videos in public schools. It is biased propaganda full of opinion and misinformation. Canned programming can be used to slant and distort content, and it is currently being used that way. When the right accuses the left of indoctrinating students, it is because the right’s intention to indoctrinate young people.
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When I was in elementary school in Southern Kentucky, I learned that the Civil War was The War of Northern Aggression and was about the North putting taxes on goods imported by the South. Nothing about slavery.
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When I was in school in Houston, the Civil War was called The War Between the States. The slaves were content with their lot in life—well-fed and cared for by their owners. The war was about states’ rights.
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Yup. Same, for the most part, in the Midwest.
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You are quite correct. I would bet the majority of southerners had this experience. I did. I also experienced being thought of as ignorant because of my accent. I think there is a relationship.
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I grew up in the 1960s/1970s South awash in the “lost cause” myth. Many pretended it was more civilized then, but underneath was a venal perspective that insisted all people were not born equal. I once had an uncle from South Carolina declare that the problem with this country was the carpet baggers and the NEA. Quite puzzling to me at the time yet it said it all. My mother, his sister not of the “lost cause”, and I both had a good laugh when I shared the comment with her. I realized very early what the Republican Party was becoming in the South. Cynical and awash in authoritarian principles whose goal was to sustain an aristocratic status quo at the expense of everyone else. The effort for control of Southern and also Midwestern states, has been intentional, strategic, and methodical. The financial collapse of 2008 allowed this movement to become national while bringing the rise of Donald Trump, one of those carpetbaggers my uncle hated who his progeny now adore. Yes, the Civil War was complicated, but not in the way Nikki Haley portends. It was about the historic grab for dominance and power that wanted to leave the populace groveling at the feet of masters. Many saw this as a long struggle briefly interrupted by the Civil War. I attended Sewanee, a University constantly struggling with its origins in the slave holding South. I once had a fierce debate with a fellow student of aristocratic heritage who declared in 1979 that what this country needed was a revolution of and for the rich. At the time I interpreted that blatant self serving statement was a shocking admission. Today we see that many of his upbringing, not only in the South but nationwide, are engaged in such an endeavor that is bearing fruit. Nikki Haley is a member of a Republican Party that is all about authoritarian oligarchy. She is being supported by Koch and his allies who see Trump’s brazen openness toward the cause as unseemly, yet they pursue the same ends. The greed, grift, and popular manipulation is front and center. Haley attempted to thread the needle with a faux civility now laid open by a population of citizens unmoored by fabricated grievance, much like the ante-bellum South. Beware the wolf in sheep’s clothing.
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You could almost see the wheels turning in Haley’s mind as she paused to craft a “word salad” that would not alienate or offend, but she landed in the quicksand anyway. DeSantis, eager for any sort of attention, said, “Of course, The Civil War is about slavery.” The irony is that DeSantis has been on a campaign to stamp out black history and Black Lives Matter, but I doubt most of the people in Iowa have any idea how vile and dangerous DeSantis is.
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RT, when I read Haley’s first response, my immediate thought was “word salad.”
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Agreed! You could see the fear in her eyes as well as the wheels turning as she tried to figure out which answer would please the questioner and the audience.
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Sewanee! A most beautiful place. I so wanted to go there. My niece met her husband there. We hike there a lot. It has a reputation as a bastion of liberalism out in the country.
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It was the only voting precinct that voted for McGovern in Tennessee in 1972. However, that was due to the faculty. The student body was another story when I attended. Sewanee is one of those universities where legacies are the attending tradition. It was founded by the Southern Episcopal Diocese in 1859 and because of its prominence in Southern leadership, the first buildings were wiped out when Northern troops arrived. Restarted in 1868, what was left of Southern Aristocracy coalesced to form the college in a traditionalist mode like Oxford. The quad was modeled after Oxford. Meanwhile, Sewanee became a destination for many Lost Causers and some faculty families became enamored with it. The university continued to build a strong academic reputation that attracted those of us who were not followers of the Lost Cause. The formal name for the school is The University of the South. About fifteen years ago consultants hired to help the school get a more diverse student body recommended we just become Sewanee University and drop the formal title. Many of the alumni refused to go along. My middle daughter graduated there in 2020 and I got a sense that the student body was a little more progressive than when I attended. However, when Trump arrived on the scene our Facebook page brought out the worst among many of the university community. So, it remains a great school, a beautiful place, with a very complex past, present, and future.
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This is a great article.
The North fought the war primarily to preserve the right of those who did not own slaves to settle the new frontier free of competition with slave owners. The Bleeding Kansas incident demonstrates that. Most Europeans of the day saw Africans as non-human, so they abrogated their responsibility to protect them as the age of white supremacy followed the age of chattel slavery. Content to blame slavery by on the South rather than accept the burden of protecting the vulnerable freedman, they ignored Memphis, Wilmington, and Tulsa and thousands of lynchings. They wagged their heads at the black bootstraps that were not being pulled up fast enough.
Meanwhile the Lost Cause gained philosophical legitimacy in higher education.
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Jose Vilson has a terrific post on this topic:
I bring all this up because the recent wave of censorship laws is a multipronged, protracted strategy based on fear with the ultimate goal of revenge against a perceived loss of social order. While I could explore all the facets of that “order,” the one that I haven’t seen explored enough is the chilling effect it has on teachers and schools. For years, I’ve advanced the idea of teachers as vanguards and stewards of any well-functioning society. First, when I use the vanguard, I mean that educators are usually the first adults that we meet to explicitly teach us written and unwritten rules of society. Secondly, we’re still wrestling with the idea of education as a gateway to social advancement and schools as sites for social reproduction with all the problems embedded in that. Third, it’s important to name expertise as a complicated, yet vital pillar for teacher work. The deprofessionalization of teaching compounds teachers’ inability to push back against wayward teaching of deep history.
https://thejosevilson.com/a-note-on-nikki-haley-slavery-and-teacher-professionalism/
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Substitute democrat every time the word Confederacy is used. 😊. The Lincoln-Douglass debates tell the story (you can get them on Audible). It is Amazing that the democrat party wasn’t disbanded after causing an insurrection / war that resulted in 600,000 dead, just to protect their “peculiar” institution of slavery.
The new myth that democrats try to pass off to children in government schools is that “the parties switched”, lol. Democrats are STILL obsessed with race and the melanin content of our skin.
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The Republican Party today has zero in common with the party of Lincoln.
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You are right that back then, it should have been. I am glad that you agree that insurrectionists like Donald Trump and the Democrats who seceded from the Union should be barred from political life.
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Name the person charged and convicted of INSURRECTION, lol.
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If the extremist supermajority on the Extreme Court has a clue, they will take Trump out of the picture for the 2024 election, clearing a path for Nikki Haley or some other candidate who might be able to pull their party together again into a semi-functioning unit and not just one that seeks to model itself after Fascists like Kim, Putin, and Orban. And, of course, as the brilliant and profoundly learned Timothy Snyder says in his essay on this subject, their doing so would simply be a matter of ruling in accordance with what the amendment actually says. It couldn’t be clearer. You cannot attempt an insurrection and hold office. The relevant text, Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, requires only having engaged in insurrection, not having been convicted of the same. Here is the text, Ms. Jacquilenhardt, for your edification. Read it and learn something.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
Trump attempted to effect insurrection against the elected government of the United States IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS simultaneously–by sending a mob to stop the counting of the ballots, by pressuring the Vice President not to accept the ballots as he is legally obligated to do, by carrying out his fake electors scheme, by getting “his” Supreme Court to invalidate the election, by getting Secretaries of State to invalidate their elections or to “find” ballots for him. So, Trump is not only an insurrectionist, clearly, HE IS AN INSURRECTIONIST MULTIPLE TIMES OVER.
And so his candidacy is CLEARLY illegal under U.S. law. As Snyder points out, what is soon to be seen is whether the right-wing justices will apply the law or are simply political hacks. And if the latter, they are doing their own party a disservice because a) Trump might lose and b) their own party will not survive a second Trump maladministration. LOL.
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Are you and Diane having a contest to see how many epithets you can sling around at Republicans? It makes your writing unbearable.
The lower, far-left extremist courts haven’t even determined that President Trump is an “insurrectionist”, because they CAN’T. You all are so much like petulant toddlers, it’s unreal. Basically, If the Supreme Court doesn’t do Exactly what you want, it is illegitimate? And you feign concern about our democracy. Haha, You undermine every institution you aren’t in control of.
The left has been throwing a tantrum since Trump was elected in 2016. Keep on keeping on, your party is Nutz. Why don’t you just try and beat Trump at the ballot box, if Sloppy Joe is so good. 😊
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I repeat, the clear language of the law is that the deciding factor is whether one has been an insurrectionist, which Trump clearly has, not whether one has been charged with insurrection. There was never any intent to charge everyone who participated in the insurrection that was secession, but they were barred anyway from holding office. So, clearly the amendment does not require having been charged. Learn some history.
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Uh, doesn’t it go something like this: US Constitution, Article 14, section 3 reads…Section 3.
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.” As a teacher, I had to sign and support an oath to earn my teaching credential. If I violated my oath, I was sent packing.
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Yes, I just quoted that above. You are absolutely right. This is not uncommon. Trump violated NUMEROUS TIMES this fundamental and extremely serious requirement for the office. If the Supremes do not rule against them, then they have given up any pretense of following the law.
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Jacquilen,
When a President spends months trying to overturn an election he lost, trying to undermine the Constitution, threatening state officials to force them to overturn state results, threatening his VP and trying to intimidate him into doing an unconstitutional action, summoning a mob to DC on the day that the election was to be certified, telling them to “fight like hell” and urging them to go to the US Capitol, watching television for three hours while the mob rampaged through the Capitol, refusing multiple pleas to call off the mob—-that was an insurrection. Read Liz Cheney’s new book. She is a real conservative, unlike Trump, who is a real narcissist.
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Wow! A 21st century version of waving the bloody shirt.
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Haaa!!! This stuff is still alive and well in the very deep, very rural South.
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Thank you, Diane. I appreciate this piece — I don’t know if I’ve ever read any part of the speech from Stephens before. And well done to the above teacher who assigns it or anything similar to students. There is nothing like primary documents!
I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area and my high school history teacher (the amazing Connie Benton) used a discarded textbook from a local JC as well as novels (Centennial, Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee) and other writings to teach American History. She sparked a life-long curiosity in history which included the taking of various history courses in college simply because I had to learn more. I do know that I didn’t understand the hows and whys of Reconstruction. That came much later, with a lot more reading. However, I do know that I learned the reasons and causes of the Civil War.
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I second that. The transcripts of the Lincoln-Douglas debates are superb reading. I read them all years ago, on my own, while still in college. At one point, Lincoln says that if he could get the argument that Douglas has just made up to the consistency of a corn cob, he would know where to stuff it. LOL. Two things are striking about these debates: First, they are quite learned. Neither man is afraid to cite learned antecedents and sources. Second, as this anecdote illustrates, they could also get quite earthy.
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I am not at all convinced that the majority of Northerners were fighting to free the slaves. Witness how quickly they caved after the war. Certainly the South fought to preserve slavery. It’s ruling class depended on it. I think preserving the Union was of prime importance to Northeners and all like-minded believers in the Union, but I need someone with a lot more knowledge of the history to flesh out that idea. Losing a democracy, however flawed, would have had dire consequences.
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