The enactment of No Child Left Behind in 2001 (signed into law on January 8, 2002) and the imposition of Race to the Top (a more punitive version of NCLB) created an era of bipartisanship based on testing, punishment, and privatization. The Democratic Party in DC abandoned its historic commitment to public schools.
Those closest to the classroom understand that the Bush-Obama program of 2002- ) was a disaster. After an initial increase in scores, the lines went flat about 2010; there is only so much that test prep can do to lift scores. Many schools were closed, many charters opened (and many swiftly closed), corporate charter chains thrived, teachers left in large numbers, enrollment in teacher education programs plummeted, now vouchers are subsidizing subprime religious schools.
Based on the evidence, the past two decades have been a disaster for American education.
Yet, as Peter Greene explains, a new third party, which calls itself “No Labels,” offers up an education platform that is a rehash of the Bush-Obama agenda. On education “No Labels” repackages the failed ideas of the past 20 years.
Know this about “No Labels”: it is targeting independent voters and will throw the election to Trump, if the election is close, as is likely. It is funded by rightwing billionaires. Caveat emptor.
Greene writes:
No Labels is supposed to be some sort of centrist break from the raging politics of left and right as a champion of “common sense,” and I’m not going to wander down that political rabbit hole (other than to note that saying you’re all about common sense while seriously considering Joe Manchin as a Presidential candidate plays about like a vegan eating a hamburger).

But they’ve got a platform, and it uses four points to address “America’s Youth” and so education, and that’s our beat here at the Institute, so let’s take a look, shall we?
Idea 11: As a matter of decency, dignity, and morality, no child in America should go to bed or go to school hungry.
The basic idea is solid enough– it’s a bad thing for children to go hungry. Some of the rationale is …odd? …off the point?
Undernourished children “Make smaller gains in math and reading, repeat grades more, and are less likely to graduate from high school, which means they’re more likely to end up in prison.” That’s an interesting chain of causes and effects. Also, they disrupt classrooms more, interfering with other children’s education.
Despite the heading, there’s not a moral argument in sight. And we still have to insert “even though Washington must reduce spending” we wave at some sort of significant expansion of funding or tax credits so children are fed. So nothing systemic about child hunger or poverty, I guess.
Idea 12: Every child in America should have the right to a high-quality education. No child should be forced to go to a failing school.
There is not a molecule of air between these “centrists” and the usual crowd of school privatizers.
Rich kids get great schools and poor kids get terrible ones, so the solution is NOT to fix or supplement funding, but to push down the pedal on charters and vouchers. Because, hey– America spends “more on education per school-aged child than any country in the world, with worse results.” Let’s also throw in some bogus testing results, and the usual claims about charter school waiting lists.
Because “we like competition too,” their common sense solution is to add 10,000 charter schools in the next ten years, to offer a “lifeline” to some students “trapped in failing traditional public schools.” I’m not going to take the time to argue any of this (just go looking through the posts on this blog). Let’s just note that there’s nothing here that Betsy DeVos or Jeb Bush would object to, other than they’d rather see more vouchers. This is standard rightwing fare.
Idea 13: America should make a national commitment that our students will be number one in reading and math globally within a decade.
You know-number one in the international rankings based on Big Standardized Test results, a position and ranking that the United States has never held ever. And yet somehow, leading nations like Estonia have failed to kick our butt. These guys invoke China’s test results, when even a rudimentary check would let you know that China doesn’t test all of its students.
If America wants to maintain our lead in the technologies of tomorrow, we’d better spend less time on waging culture wars in our schools and more time focusing on promoting, rewarding, and reaching for excellence.
Remember that, so far, we have maintained that lead without improving our test score ranking.
But if excellence in education is the goal, maybe rethink voucher-based subsidies for schools that mostly are religious and teach creationism and reading only “proper” stuff and just generally waging those same culture wars. Or starting up 10,000 charter schools that don’t necessarily do anything better than a public (and who may soon also have the chance to operate in a narrow, myopic, discriminatory religious framework).
Idea 14: Financial literacy is essential for all Americans striving to get ahead
Oh, lordy. Remember all those poor kids in Idea 11? Well, No Labels has an explanation.
Almost six in 10 Americans say they are living paycheck to paycheck. Inflation is arguably the biggest driver of this insecurity, but far too many Americans also lack the knowledge and tools to become financially independent and get ahead.
Inflation and bad accounting. You know what helps people become financially independent? Money.
So let’s have financial literacy classes so people can get better credit scores.
Also, in Idea 22, they want civics education so people will be proud of America. Idea 24– “No American should face discrimination at school or at work because of their political view,” and I’m going to send them right back to their support for vouchers and charters that are working hard to be free to do exactly that.
Look, I feel the frustration over education’s status as a political orphan, an important sector that neither party stands up for. But if you’re looking for someone who understands some of the nuances of education and wants to stand up for the institution of public education, No Labels are not the party, either.
This sounds mostly like right-tilted Chamber of Commerce-style reformsterism from a decade ago. Even in a world in which both parties have lurched to the right, this is not a centrist approach to education. It’s the same privatizing reformster baloney we’ve been hearing since the Reagan administration drew a target on public education’s back. If you’re looking for the vegan candidate, this burger is not for you.

Thanks, Peter. Another great post!
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Far too many adminimals and teachers have given in well more than an inch in implementing the standards and testing malpractice regime- which is what the No Lables people want more of. We owe it to the children to actually resist that emphasis on the testing malpractices. Let your freak flag show in separating the wheat from the chaff in challenging the unjust, unethical malpractice regime.
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xoxoxo
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Couldn’t agree w/you more, Duane Edward.
We need to reenact the final scene of “Les Mis.”
(Because we ARE “Les Mis.”)
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Dear Diane:
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div>As a now “rewired” ((retired but ready to go again) Writer and Teacher, I couldn’t agree with you more. I refer to this period of time as the “stupifying” of America – one
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Amen
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This is just the beginning. The only way to defend public education is to transform community public schools. Our schools will need to compete just as students of color will be required to compete for opportunities based on academic achievement alone.
What we need is a comprehensive plan to overhaul everything we do in the classroom. I have developed a model for that purpose and it needs to be evaluated by a number of people if it is to have a chance of working. There may be other plans as well but nothing short of a complete reinvention of the process will have a chance. Anything short of that is a ticket to disaster. Look at what is happening across the US. There are people who want to take our country to a place none of us could have envisioned and do not think for a minute they lack the will and commitment needed to make it happen. Public education must respond with action. My education model may or may not be able to take our schools where they need to go but it is a place to start.
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I don’t support “No Labels” as it’s just more centrist neoliberal bovine excrement virtually indistinguishable from the centrist neoliberal bovine excrement of the Democratic Party and the supposedly sane neocon wing of the Republican Party. But with that said, no third party can “throw an election” to a mainstream party. Votes are earned, no owned, and if even centrists are turning their backs on the Democrats, that should be a helluva wake up call for the Dems to wonder what they’re doing wrong.
If I were existentially terrified of a particular Republican candidate, I would make sure my side did everything possible to defeat that candidate. I would fall over backward making sure the people are taken care of. I’d work overtime to fulfill my campaign promises, especially in my first two years while I held a congressional majority. I’d lower the age of Medicare and raise the minimum wage and forgive student debt and provide free community college, all like I said I would do. I would pass infrastructure and inflation bills that actually do what they claim rather than give away big bucks to corporations. I would make sure that loans during a pandemic actually went to small businesses to actually retain and pay their personnel.
I wouldn’t try to convince people who are deciding between rent or food or who are cutting meds in half or skipping them altogether, that the economy is great. I wouldn’t brag about creating jobs to people who have three of them and still can’t make ends meet. I wouldn’t lie about wages going up in inflation-adjusted terms when wages have, in fact, gone down in inflation-adjusted terms. I wouldn’t piss on people and tell them it’s raining.
When it came time for the new election, I would make sure I had the strongest possible candidate, not someone who gets lost in the Rose Garden and doesn’t recognize Rishi Sunak. If their candidate was a rapist, I’d make sure mine wasn’t. If their candidate was a racist, I’d make sure mine wasn’t. If their candidate was a liar, I’d make sure mine wasn’t.
In short, I’d give voters every possible reason to vote for my candidate rather than a pathetic appeal to voting against the other guy in the sixth consecutive “most important election of the century to vote blue no matter who”. But I guess that’s just me.
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Dienne, you and I don’t always agree, but there is much sense (and fire) in what you say here.
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To say it’s worrisome would be an understatement.
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Howard Baker was appointed White House Chief of Staff at the beginning of the second half of Reagan’s second term in office. Baker reports in his autobiography that just before the first Cabinet Meeting, one of the other Cabinet members pulled him aside and said, “Don’t be surprised if the old man isn’t all there.”
Reagan’s son has written that he thought “something was amiss” with his father’s mind during the second term.
After his presidency, he was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s. So, to what extent was his second term a corporate presidency, with others covering for him? I suspect that we shall never know.
All that said, people operate at different levels when they are older. In my teens, I cared for a woman who was 104 and still sharp as a tack, but there are some 65-year-olds with early onset Alzheimer’s who can no longer recognize their own family members.
Donald Trump has full-blown Malignant Narcissistic Personality Disorder and showed signs of dramatic cognitive decline during his entire time in the presidency. Ironically, one such sign was that he mistook a dementia screening test (sample question: picture of an elephant and a direction to name the animal) for an IQ Test. What does it take for people to grok that he isn’t all there?
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Frankly I’ve never been able to tell with Trump because he’s always been so weird and stupid. He seems a lot more “on” than Biden in my opinion, with the significant caveat that even Biden with dementia is more reliable and competent than any version of Trump.
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Even Biden with dementia is more reliable and competent than any version of Trump.
Exactly, far, far, far more. If Trump became president again and actually staffed his second maladministration with reliable do-bees, it would be all over for the United States.
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His administration has been a wakeup call for me. I mean, I always knew that this was in many ways a socially and politically backward country, and I’ve long known that only about a third of American adults have college educations and that anti-intellectualism runs deep here, but Trump is CLEARLY INSANE and CLEARLY BREATHTAKINGLY STUPID AND IGNORANT and CLEARLY DANGEROUS–OBVIOUSLY SO–but about 40 percent of the electorate think he’s the bee’s knees.
I really didn’t know that that many Americans were that stupid and that vile. It’s shocking.
And equally shocking is that an entire political party has enthusiastically backed this criminal, this insane person, this ignorant, vile, creepy, traitorous thug and sexual predator and con man.
The rest of the world recoils in horror. What an embarrassing and dangerous spectacle.
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Trump has the rhetorical flair of a demagogue. Think how Hitler held huge crowds spellbound with his rants.
But Trump has no knowledge, no vision, no concern for anyone but himself.
He is supremely narcissistic.
I saw this on display a few days age when he gave a apeech to an adoring crowd.
He said—and I paraphrase—“when they indict me, they are indicting you. All the attacks on me are actually attacks on you.” Etc.
Chris Christie responding to this self-pitying diatribe by saying: “Trump is a liar and a coward. 200 million Americans didn’t grab classified documents and refuse to return them when asked.”
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Bob,
I know we have had strong disagreements, but I have always respected you.
I beg you not to take any of the videos that FLERP! frequently posts links to here at face value.
They are always highly misleading links to right wingers’ twitter feeds, designed to provoke maximum outrage or concern in Democrats to turn them away from their party, which worked so well for them in 2016 and nearly destroyed our country (and still might).
In the past, FLERP! would post twitter links to snippets of perfectly fine, caring teachers that were carefully edited to make those teachers look stupid talking about some progressive issue that the right has jumped on to divide us. Union teachers are idiotic – as least anyone watching the brief clip would assume. Plus the link would often include a misleading, provocative description by the right wing twitter account holder who posted it, designed to garner maximum disgust toward teachers.
The 15 second link above of “demented” Biden is the twitter account of Tim Murtaugh, a former Trump campaign operative/Heritage Foundation/Washington Times right wing operative who writes articles about how Americans wildly support the GOP agenda and all their right wing policies.
FLERP! characterized — or MIScharacterized — that clip as “Biden with dementia”.
I watched the entire 5 minute C-Span video that this 15 second edited snippet was taken from. Biden was lucid – especially when he talked about policy. His speech is not as clear as it was when he was younger (I had to listen twice to realize Biden said “if it wasn’t for Israel we’d have to invent one”) but the fact that even an aging Biden is still able to manage his lifelong stutter is remarkable. Biden slurs his words more – I notice that I do that too and I am decades younger! – but anyone watching the entire clip would know that Biden isn’t “demented” here.
Biden is old and slowing down. But the far right wants to push the narrative that he is demented and therefore DANGEROUS. In this snippet he said “we brought Palestinians together at a political level at (pauses and stumbles over the names of two middle eastern cities, Aqaba and another one). Then Biden went on talking.
What is most impressive is that Biden still has a keen grasp of policy — certainly much better than Trump or George W. Bush. I don’t care if he realized he forgot how to correctly pronounce the name of two cities that likely none of us know how to pronounce correctly, and he paused and stumbled as he tried to remember the right way to say them so that someone like FLERP! wasn’t posting an edited snippet to show “Biden can’t even pronounce Aqaba correctly, he’s demented.”
Wanting to say the name of a foreign city correctly instead of mispronouncing it isn’t “dementia”. Neither is mispronouncing the name, although no doubt that would have been characterized as dementia too.
I trust Bernie Sanders and AOC, who both (surprisingly) already endorsed Joe Biden’s re-election. If they are standing behind Biden, then I’m guessing Biden still has his marbles. Biden certainly scares the heck out of the right wing, which is why they have started this propaganda push with “No Labels” to try to convince gullible Dems that the fact that Dems are UNIFIED in support of Biden is a BAD thing! Because Joe Manchin is unhappy that Biden hasn’t been doing his bidding to promote Republican policies.
It’s only a bad thing if we amplify and legitimize their false narrative.
Imagine how great it would be if the narrative was “A group of right wing neocons who support Republican policies and hate Biden’s policies that help the middle class have started an organization to fool gullible people. Dem voters, if you want to give more tax breaks to the wealthy and privatize Social Security and Medicare, you should support the No Labels right wing conservaitves. But we Democrats are UNIFIED behind the president who has given us the policies that moderates and progressives like, but the billionaires who want more tax breaks do not.”
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Bob, check this out. One of the best campaign ads I’ve seen in I don’t know since when.
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THAT MTG AD IS JUST WONDERFUL.
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NYCPSP, well, I guess the 2-hour honeymoon for “let’s not be so combative” has expired and you’re back at your full-time job of warning people who can think for themselves that I am a dangerous person not to be trusted. Thanks.
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FLERP!,
If you thought “people could think for themselves”, you could have posted a link to the ENTIRE 5 minute Biden appearance. Instead you posted only the 15 second snippet chosen by a known far right hack. Why?
In fact, how is it you follow so many right wing twitter feeds? I have never heard of most of them, but whenever you post a link, I always check them out, and wonder how you managed to find that particular right wing hack’s twitter feed. How did you?
I never said you were dangerous. I said that twitter feeds of right wing operatives like you posted here use carefully edited snippets to push the false narrative that Biden is demented and dangerous.
Do you object to my informing Bob that the twitter link you posted was misleading and giving more context? Why?
I accepted your apology and I don’t understand why you are so mad. If I post anything misleading, and you want to post to provide more context, you are absolutely welcome to do so any time you want. That’s a GOOD thing. I don’t want to post anything misleading, so I am happy if someone provides missing context.
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FLERP!,
Thank you for posting the Joe Biden ad with Marjorie Taylor Greene. I agree with you that it was a powerful ad. I am definitely curious as to when MTG said that! I expected her to end with “we have to stop Joe Biden!”
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Enough.
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Amen to Dienne & to you, Bob.
I will NEVER forgive Obama for Arne Duncan & for all the things Obama failed to do.* Now he is a gazillionaire himself, w/4 mansions (one being built in Hawaii which is possibly causing an environmental threat),
With all the rooms in all their mansions, he’s very much able to provide housing for newly arriving immigrants.
*&, I’m sorry, all of his failures cannot be blamed on the GOP Congress. IMHO, he is THE grand poobah of all the neo-libs.
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I will never forgive Obama for letting the banks off the hook and allowing ordinary people to lose their homes instead of having the relief flow through those people to the banks. Another big bailout for the superrich. Another big ____ you to ordinary Americans.
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Yep. Obama, arms spread wide. “Yes: there’s plenty of blame to go ‘round, here…”.
Do ya THINK!?
AND…!?
And nothing. Bailout and putting the people who were part of creating the mess in charge of cleaning it up.
And then there’s good ol’ Arne. Still out there, peddling his tin pan wares.
No doubt: Barack’s done very well for himself. That’s such a huge part of the problem. Many of the people who are behind Trump have seen the same things and had the same reactions as those who oppose the man. The glass ceiling is as clean and shiny as ever. We all want change. Seems as though choosing the lesser of two evils is a positive step towards that change, at this point.
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To Bob up there at 5:57 PM, in what I call “Bob-speak”: Yup, Bob, yuh sure R right…furgit about all these liddle people who were victimized by the Big Banks/Wall Street.
Wonder what kinda mortgage rates the Obamas got on their beaYOOtiful properties.
Or should I use the word “breaks” rather than rates?
If muh man & I had the room, Ima ready ta build a vomitoreum.
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You mean, like, having a friend who was one of the wealthiest people in the US, an heiress, assemble a group of people to buy them a vacay mansion on the beach in Hawaii?
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It’s not neoliberal if its funded by Peter Thiel.
No Labels won’t divulge the donors.
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Peter Thiel is a billionaire “venture capitalist”. By definition he is a neoliberal.
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Thiel supported TRUMP with big $$$
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dienne77,
Why aren’t you happy that the Democrats “lost” the neoliberals??
They “lost” the neoliberals because they are fighting for progressive policies.
I find it very odd that instead of seeing this as a positive, you have turned Democrats losing the neoliberal vote into a sign that Dems are bad. It is a sign that they are not neoliberal!
FYI, AOC also “lost” the No Labels crowd. So did Bernie.
I can’t believe you think a reason to oppose Biden and the Dems is because they lost the neoliberals. It’s a reason to support Dems.
AOC came out with an early Biden endorsement, which surprised me. But she wants progressive legislation and she knows that it isn’t Biden that is preventing it, it is the Republicans and the right wing Supreme Court.
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It’s DEFINITELY a negative. This is not some positive purging of the Democratic party. That’s utterly senseless. This is clearly an attempt by right-wingers to split the Democratic vote and siphon a big chunk of it off to another party, so that, with Trump removed by legal hot water, Ron DeSantis can surge again and become their guy in the Oval Office willing to do what Trump did–put his scrawl at the bottom of any Executive Order or legislation that will trash the commons to benefit the wealthy few who put him there.
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“No Labels” has nothing to do with the Democratic Party. Joe Lieberman was drummed out of the Democratic party in a primary, and endorsed Republicans. Trump even considered him for VP. Joe Manchin is one of two Democrats who often votes with the Republicans, not the Democrats.
“even centrists are turning their backs on the Democrats, that should be a helluva wake up call for the Dems to wonder what they’re doing wrong.”
Say what? If you ask me, the fact that Lieberman and Manchin supporters don’t like the Democrats is proof that Dems are doing something RIGHT!! Not something wrong.
According to this cockamamie theory, “No Labels” is a “wake-up call” that Dems will only be successful if they offer policies that the voters who love Lieberman and Manchin want. The voters that believe Bernie Sanders is a socialist, and that Medicare for All is a Communist idea. The voters who had the chance to vote for a President to fill an open Supreme Court seat and have a liberal court that insured voting rights, and instead told us that that it doesn’t matter whether a Democrat or Republican president fills an open Supreme Court seat when the court is tied 4-4 and the new Justice could join 4 liberals to vote to repeal Citizens United or join 4 conservatives to help enshrine a far right majority that had already made it very hard for progressives to have success.
Progressives should rejoice that the Democrats are supporting policies that Manchin and Lieberman voters are desperate to prevent from happening.
Is this person really criticizing Democrats because they “lost” the support of the CONSERVATIVE voters who want the policies that Lieberman, Manchin and all the Republicans want?
Why does this person call voters who like Joe Lieberman policies “centrists”?? They aren’t centrists. They are far to the right of the mainstream Democratic party.
I am mystified as to why this person wants policies that appeal to Lieberman and Manchin supporters.
Those conservative voters have turned against the Dems BECAUSE they are pushing for progressive policies that help people.
“No labels” exists not to attract the Lieberman and Manchin voters who HATE progressive policies.
It exists to get useful idiots to blame Democrats for not achieving sweeping progressive victories by appealing to the hearts and minds of Manchin and Lieberman voters who HATE progressive victories.
“If their candidate was a rapist, I’d make sure mine wasn’t. If their candidate was a racist, I’d make sure mine wasn’t. If their candidate was a liar, I’d make sure mine wasn’t.”
That’s what the Democrats did in 2016. The person who won the nomination won because Black voters supported her in southern states because they understood that the right wing propaganda – repeated by the left – that a crime bill from 25 years previously was more relevant than everything she had done in the recent 2 decades was nonsense.
There were some white folks on the left who demonstrated some real racism. They were very angry that Black voters supported a different candidate in southern state primaries and not their favored candidate. They said they knew better than Black voters what a racist candidate looks like.
I truly don’t understand what this comment means. I do agree that the Dems should continue to support progressive policies AS THEY HAVE. I hope that those who actually support progressive policies will vote to give Dems a huge majority instead of saying that we should despise the Dems because Manchin and Lieberman voters don’t like them, and it’s Dems’ fault for not appealing to those CONSERVATIVE voters who like REPUBLICAN policies.
If Lieberman and Manchin and a slew of Republicans don’t like the Democrats’ policies, that is GOOD! It is because those policies now lean left. Vote in more Dems to help them pass the legislation they support.
Losing “No Labels” voters is the cost of having progressive policies. Anyone who is advising trying to appeal to those Lieberman/Manchin voters probably thinks there will be no long-lasting, negative effects if voters prevent a Democrat from filling an open Supreme Court seat when the court is tied 4-4.
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I thought we talked about putting words in people’s mouths, NYCPSP. Where in anything I wrote do you get the idea that I want Manchin or Lieberman type policies? Reading is fundamental. Go try again.
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And Jon Huntsman, one of the leaders of No Labels, is a MAJOR Trumper. The national media paints him as centrist, but having watched his governorship in Utah, he is VERY right-wing.
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In reply to a post about No Labels, dienne77 says:
“I don’t support “No Labels” as it’s just more centrist neoliberal bovine excrement virtually indistinguishable from the centrist neoliberal bovine excrement of the Democratic Party and the supposedly sane neocon wing of the Republican Party. …. if even centrists are turning their backs on the Democrats, that should be a helluva wake up call for the Dems to wonder what they’re doing wrong.”
I repeat: dienne77 said “if even centrists are turning their backs on the Democrats, that should be a helluva wake up call for the Dems to wonder what they’re doing wrong.”
Here is what a real progressive would say:
If AOC supports the Democrats but neocon conservatives like Lieberman and Manchin are turning their backs on Democrats, they must be doing something RIGHT!
But dienne77 says Dems must be doing something WRONG if AOC likes them but Lieberman and Manchin are turning their backs.
Anyone believe she is really a progressive?
Here is the tell – notice the difference in how she describes each political party:
“centrist neoliberal BOVINE EXCREMENT of the Democratic Party”
“SUPPOSEDLY SANE neocon wing of the Republican Party.”
This is a repeat of 2016 and 2020 where she described the Democrats using the most toxic, frightening language, while she would use terms like “orange-haired” to describe Trump and normalized the most neo-fascist actions of the far right Republican party.
She described Trump using the same kind of mild, normalizing language she uses to characterize Putin – which stands in stark contrast to the way she demonized Dems as dangerous and corrupt.
I repeat – AOC has already endorsed Biden. And dienne77 is saying that the Dems “losing” the No Labels crowd is a signal they are doing something WRONG. When it means they are doing something RIGHT.
Your words, dienne77. Not mine.
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“ Votes are earned, no owned, and if even centrists are turning their backs on the Democrats, that should be a helluva wake up call for the Dems to wonder what they’re doing wrong”
I agree with much of what you’re saying, dienne77, but I think the devil’s in the details in some areas.
Voters can be easily manipulated. Well educated and not. The means of swaying voters in large, medium, and small pinpointed regions has become a science. It’s very effective.
Until campaign finance laws are passed, candidates are going to require corporate donations in order to run their campaigns. This comes with a price. Many campaign promises end up being watered down.
Then, once elected, you add a Congress that’s hell bent on destroying your agenda. More compromises are required if you want to get anything done. And if you don’t compromise, the next campaign opponent points to the fact that you got nothing done in your four year term.
POTUS only has so much power (unless Trump has his way). Biden’s not the best but I think he’s done well, considering the system he’s working with and the obstacles in his way.
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“ Votes are earned, no owned, and if even centrists are turning their backs on the Democrats, that should be a helluva wake up call for the Dems to wonder what they’re doing wrong”
I agree with much of what you’re saying, dienne77, but I think the devil’s in the details in some areas.
Voters can be easily manipulated. Well educated and not. The means of swaying voters in large, medium, and small pinpointed regions has become a science. It’s very effective.
Until campaign finance laws are passed, candidates are going to require corporate donations in order to run their campaigns. This comes with a price. Some of the campaign promises end up being watered down. Politicians need to factor corporate support into their decision making process.
Once elected, you add a Congress that’s hell bent on destroying your agenda. More compromises are required if you want to get anything done. And if you don’t compromise, the next campaign opponent points to the fact that you got nothing done in your four year term.
POTUS only has so much power (unless Trump has his way). Biden’s not the best by any means but I think he’s done well, considering the system he’s working with and the obstacles in his way. And he’s been a vast improvement over the last administration
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“ Votes are earned, no owned, and if even centrists are turning their backs on the Democrats, that should be a helluva wake up call for the Dems to wonder what they’re doing wrong”
I agree with much of what you’re saying in your post, dienne, but I think the devil’s in the details in some areas.
Voters can be easily manipulated. Well educated and not. The means of swaying voters in large, medium, and small pinpointed regions has become a science. It’s very effective.
Until campaign finance laws are passed, candidates are going to require corporate donations in order to run their campaigns. This comes with a price. Many campaign promises end up being watered down.
Then, once elected, you add a Congress that’s hell bent on destroying your agenda. More compromises are required if you want to get anything done. And if you don’t compromise, the next campaign opponent points to the fact that you got nothing done in your four year term.
POTUS only has so much power (unless Trump has his way). Biden’s not the best but I think he’s done well, considering the system he’s working with and the obstacles in his way.
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Wow…in triplicate. I didn’t see these awaiting moderation posts on my phone, so I posted using my computer. Hoping you can ax the other two, Diane…?
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gitapik,
Which “centrists” are turning their back on the Democratic party?
Would you characterize the No Labels party as a “centrist” party?
I absolutely agree that the No Labels crowd HATES what the Dems are doing.
I just don’t understand why everyone here thinks that is bad and Biden should start focusing on passing legislation that Lieberman and Manchin like.
Every suggestion that dienne77 made will make more of the people she refers to as “centrists” try to defeat the Dems! No Labels HATES those policies, but we need to get those
“centrists” not to turn away. Because Biden already has the support of all the progressives.
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Not sure what the conflict is, NYC. You and I are in agreement. I’m completely on board with Biden.
My area of commonality with dienne lies in what I believe could be achieved through campaign finance reform. I don’t think there’s any other way of getting there.
The financial leveling of the playing field would broaden the field of candidates and free up their actions, once elected. I think this is what a lot of people are looking for in their reps.
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How hard are Democrats fighting for campaign financing reform?
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Bernie’s been talking about it for decades. Not hearing much else from either side of the aisle.
That’s where we meet, dienne. The system is set up to require big bucks if you want to throw your hat in the ring. It’s one of the few bipartisan agreements.
Where to go from there is the question.
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The only thing that’s ever going to disrupt that is when people stop falling for it. When we start answering the question of “where else are you going to go” with “f— around and find out”. So long as Dems know you will vote for them no matter what, what earthly reason do they have to change?
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I’m far from blind, but there’s still a big enough difference between those who try to further the Democratic agenda versus the MAGA and Republican slants to make me keep voting Democrat. That’s where we differ, dienne.
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It’s not a hard choice. The Democrats are trying to pass programs to improve living conditions for everyone. The MAGA crowd is trying to repeal programs passed during the FDR-LBJ years, and take us back to Hoover.
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How do we do campaign reform with Citizens’ United?
Anyone?
I am still waiting to hear Jill Stein’s campaign reform ideas. Anyone?
I DO know that the people who voted for Jill Stein said that it was of absolutely vital importance that a Democrat not appoint a Supreme Court Justice when the Court was tied 4-4 and there was a vacant seat, because repealing Citizens United was NOT important. Anyone know why Jill Stein voters were so certain that it was of vital importance NOT to turn the Supreme Court into a friend of campaign finance reform, but keep it an enemy of campaign finance reform? I certainly know why Trump voters and right wingers loved Jill Stein voters for helping them prevent any campaign finance reform for the foreseeable future. But I assume Jill Stein supporters must have had some secret plan for getting campaign finance reform while making sure the Supreme Court didn’t fall into liberal hands and repeal Citizens United. The secret plan is probably in the same vault as the Republicans’ plan to replace Obamacare with their secret healthcare plan where everyone sees every doctor they want whenever they want by privatizing all health care and costing almost nothing, while giving massive tax cuts to the wealthy. Some day we may be lucky enough to see both those amazing plans.
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“So long as Dems know you will vote for them no matter what, what earthly reason do they have to change?”
This entire post is about how a bunch of right wing billionaires have joined together with a very few right wing Democrats who hate everything the Democrats are doing NOW and want to defeat the Democrats.
No Labels is desperate to defeat the Democrats BECAUSE the Democrats have changed. That’s why Bernie Sanders and AOC already endorsed Biden. That’s why this right wing group No Labels (falsely called “centrists” by some people) has joined together to defeat the Dems because the progressives are happier and the right wing is FUMING.
The very premise of this question is far right propaganda that insidiously pushes a false narrative to divide Democrats in order to benefit the far right. The question presents a lie as if is an unimpeachable truth, and then poses a question that premises that the lie is true.
The far right does this to teachers’ unions all the time. For example, “So long as the teachers union keeps protecting teachers who are sexual predators, what earthly reason do the union teachers who are sexually assaulting our children have to stop?”
Get it, now? I promise you that if parents keep hearing that question posed, they start to feel less trusting of the teachers union and wondering if it is a good idea to support them. After all, as long as the union keeps protecting teachers who are sexual predators, what earthly reason do those teachers have to stop?
BOTH Bernie Sanders and AOC have endorsed Biden for re-election. They did not wait, even though they could have. They did not wait to endorse because the Democrats have spent the last 3 years making the kind of changes that progressives want. The progressives and Democrats are united. The ONLY progressives who are complaining are the same ones who think Putin has the right to annihilate Ukraine without us getting involved. They would rather destroy this country than not get their way. That’s why they are now highly critical of Bernie and AOC who refuse to embrace their nihilistic view that having some important progressive victories but also some progressive disappointments is a lot worse than having a far right takeover of our country.
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Wondering, Dienne, whether you caught the memorandum from Judge Lewis Kaplan yesterday re Trump and E. Jean Carroll:
“The jury’s unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’ Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”
So, the jury found that Trump is a rapist.
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I don’t know how many times I can keep saying this, Bob. It was not a criminal trial. I’m sure you understand that criminal trials are different from civil trials, not least in terms of burden of proof. Trump very likely is criminally guilty of rape, but he has not been legally found so. If Trump had been found criminally guilty of rape, he would have been criminally sentenced, not fined. He was not and is not. I will not discuss this further, so feel free to continue your mental masturbation on the matter.
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I’ve been in front of Kaplan many times and he’s a fantastic judge. Very cranky but very fair.
Some more language from the opinion below.
Click to access gov.uscourts.nysd.590045.212.0.pdf
The jury’s unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”
As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries,2 in some federal and state criminal statutes,3 and elsewhere.4 The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.” Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.
So why does this matter? It matters because Mr. Trump now contends that the jury’s $2 million compensatory damages award for Ms. Carroll’s sexual assault claim was excessive because the jury concluded that he had not “raped” Ms. Carroll.5 Its verdict, he says, could have been based upon no more than “groping of [Ms. Carroll’s] breasts through clothing or similar
conduct, which is a far cry from rape.”6 And while Mr. Trump is right that a $2 million award for such groping alone could well be regarded as excessive, that undermines rather than supports his argument. His argument is entirely unpersuasive.
This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump’s argument therefore ignores the bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury’s verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.
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This post suggests that your profession is in the legal world, Flerp. And, unless you’ve been “in front of Mr Kaplan many times” as a defendant, I assume you’re a lawyer. 🙂
I come from a family of lawyers. Although I didn’t take it on as a career, I do value the profession when done in service of fairly upholding the law.
I’ve been following this case and was surprised to hear about NY State’s definition of “rape”. I’ve been wondering if Trump’s lawyers are tearing their hair out, what with his protests about, “only fondling” etc. Seems like an admission of guilt to me.
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Years ago, I signed up to take the LSAT. I got to the logic section and whizzed through it, finishing WAY ahead of everyone else in the room. I sat back all smug, waiting for them to catch up.
That’s when I noticed that there were two more pages to the section that I had missed.
So, I left and signed up to take the test again.
Then, I filled out applications to four schools (one did these by hand back then), stood at my parents’ mailbox, and didn’t drop them in.
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood. . . .
But I have always had a fascination with the law, and especially with the Common Law as a kind of practical ethics–conservative but capable of change.
And now, watching the travesties of Bill Barr’s second stint as Attorney General and of this Trumpanzee court, I see oh so clearly how important the law is. I’ve thought a lot lately about how the laws and legal procedures changed in Germany to make Hitler possible.
I’ve been thinking that every college kid should have a civics course and an introduction to law course.
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I suspect that when they are in K-12, kids are for the most part too young to carry much away from their government instruction. People think we don’t do civics, but they are wrong. Civics, or government, is included as a strand in the social studies standards of EVERY state, and 39 of the 50 states have a mandatory civics course in K-12. But the kids don’t carry much away from this instruction. Too young for it to stick?
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I’d have made a terrible lawyer and we all knew it. The amount of commitment that’s necessary to get and continue to get it right is so intense.
My brother was a fantastic 12 string fingerstyle guitarist. He gave me my first lessons. He had to put it aside once he decided on a career in Law. I wasn’t willing to do that.
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Yeah, I’m a lawyer. I’d say more but there’s a stalker here who’s keenly interested in my identity.
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I know someone who just finished their first year in law school.
Constitutional Law is NOT the same course it was a couple years ago. Or last year. And will be different for the incoming first years again!
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Dienne: well-said & powerful. The truth worthy of a megadome of Americans. You could be a helluva speechwriter for a candidate who cared & could REALLY serve constituents.
Not sitting around “waiting for Godot,” but searching for a REAL Mr. Smith going to Washington.
(That movie still brings me to tears–only in part because of Smith’s stirring speech/logjamming & the + results–but mostly because we’re not likely to see it in reality, ever.)
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“we’re not likely to see it in reality, ever.” Very true. The good progressive policies that came about under FDR, Truman and LBJ were achieved by politicking, horse trading, and all the things about getting the sausage made that no one likes to see.
Bernie Sanders and AOC are likely closest to Mr. Smith in being idealists, but they, and especially AOC, are very savvy idealists and understand that standing up giving a speech to filibuster doesn’t get policy passed. Especially today, when voters in a supposedly moderate state like Wisconsin continue to vote for right wing Ron Johnson over wonderful progressives because they are perfectly happy with his right wing policies.
Bernie and AOC care a lot about the future of this country. They know both sides aren’t the same, which is why both of them went out of their way to show that the Democrats have changed by already endorsing Biden.
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NYC,
Back in the days of FDR, Truman and LBJ, the GOP was a normal party. They were conservative but not crazy. McCarthy was an outlier. Foreign policy was bipartisan. They worried about spending but they would not tolerate the nuts who hold the GOP hostage now.
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“No labels” is bipartisan baloney that wants to split the vote. Any self respecting Democrat has already pulled out of this latest corporate driven group. They have Joe Manchin and John Huntsman, Jr, fronting for the group. Anyone that believes that these two wealthy men and their corporate buddies will address America’s problems through mostly wealthy, right wing talking points is living in a bubble. Manchin’s net worth is estimated at $12 million and Huntsman, Jr’s is $1.2 billion. Sure, we can trust these two to look out for us.
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Read this report on NO LABELS:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/no-labels-throws-a-coming-out-party-stoking-dem-fears-of-a-thirdparty-bid/ar-AA1e007q?ocid=sapphireappshare
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Democrats should be worried. Maybe they are trying to nudge Biden out of the race. Even if they did, I and many others cannot get excited by another party endorsed by more ultra-wealthy Wall St. types.
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Emphatically not.
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Biden needs to step aside, and so does Harris, who cannot win the race, not now.
Newsom. Newsom should be the nominee.
Or,
Pete Buttigieg. Pete would make a superb president. I know, he’s young, but he’s extremely bright and learned, and he is methodical and careful and reasoned.
Or Newsom/Buttigieg
Antimatter : matter : : Trump : _________.
Answer: Newsom or Buttigieg
Joe, we love you. And your experience and wisdom is extremely valuable. You would make an outstanding Advisor Emeritus to the next Democratic Party president.
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cx: are extremely valuable
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Bob,
Some of the wisest politicians I know — Bernie Sanders, Ilhan Omar, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez — have ALREADY endorsed Joe Biden. And the same leftists at Jacobin who fought hard to defeat the Dems in 2016 and 2020 attacked all three of them for it.
Those 3 aren’t stupid. They could have waited. But they didn’t because they understand that Biden is ALSO working toward a progressive future. And showing UNITY is the way to stand strong against the neo-fascist right wing.
But the response here just makes me feel like giving up.
This is why we lose. We fall for this crap over and over and over again.
The Democrats are UNITED. They are strong. So a bunch of right wing billionaires start pushing a narrative to undermine and divide the Democrats to help their far right Republican party to have permanent rule. Get their useful idiots on the left to make nonsensical arguments about how it is a sign of the Democrats’ awfulness that they “lost” the support of despicable politicians like Manchin and Lieberman! Get their useful idiots on the left to tell us that losing “centrists” like Lieberman and Manchin is evidence that there is something wrong with the Dems instead of evidence that there is something right!
I repeat – Bernie Sanders, Ilhan Omar, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ALREADY endorsed Biden.
Democrats have UNITY. But all No Labels has to do is get their trolls to get us angry by telling us that the Dems aren’t doing enough to appeal to the right wingers that they falsely describe as “centrists” instead of right wingers who hate the unity of the progressive Democratic party just as much as the Putin-loving left hates the Democratic party.
Who do you trust? Bernie Sanders, AOC, Ilhan Omar? Or an apologist for Putin, Trump and New Labels, who demonizes the Dems and normalizes the far right Republican party?
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NYC, I think that Biden has been a great president. He has far exceeded my expectations. If he is the nominee, I will enthusiastically support him. But I would rather see a Newsom/Buttigieg ticket.
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I would rather see a UNIFIED Democratic party. And I trust Bernie and AOC (AOC is one of the smartest politicians I have ever seen). Your “two white men replace a Black/Asian woman” just gives the No Labels right wingers fodder to divide. Newsom and Buttigieg aren’t running. I love Buttigieg, and I would vote for him even if his policies are less progressive than I prefer. But he isn’t running. I assume that he – like AOC and Bernie – understand that unity is better. Kamala Harris is wildly underrated and replacing her for no good reason is a bad idea. Although it would be fabulous if Biden could get a Supreme Court Justice to resign, put Kamala Harris on the Supreme Court, and then have Pete Buttigieg be his VP. That would probably cause Peter Thiel and Ron DeSantis’ and the other right wingers’ heads to explode! And get Biden re-elected in a landslide.
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Neither Manchin nor Lieberman have a moral compass.
Manchin claims his right wing religion gives him morals.
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All I know is…I was ALWAYS in an underperforming school, well, except one year, when our continuation high school was “the school of choice” for about 15 minutes. Our kids outperformed the comprehensive high school on standardized tests. My kids were always hungry: Cheezits and water, Cup Noodles (out of my own pocket) made sure the headache went away and their stomach stopped growling. A few of my kids were in and out of jail, but it WAS NOT a pipeline to prison. I always had my kids write and “exit essay” letting know what they wanted to do with their lives and despite all the “shiitake mushrooms” they had been through, they wanted to be social workers to make sure other kids had an advocate. I was the only one in my family to go to college and my mom made sure of it when she saved $20 a week from the time I was born. Of course, unbelievably, Cal Poly SLO was $78 a quarter plus materials so I was only going to be a tad bit in debt by the time I graduated. Even though my parents had to go to work right out of high school (my father grew up in the projects) and my mother’s family was not the richest folks in town, but they knew how to manage their money well. I am a huge advocate of financial literacy, but not to make kids “economic geniuses” but so they can understand how to open a checking account, understand compound interest, and not buying a bunch of crap they don’t need like a “monster truck” instead of keeping the lights on. My students were “workers”, knew how to find jobs, but I wanted to make sure they didn’t simply “burn their money”. I mean, as always, to the best of my ability. I told them, “Do you realize we still have slavery? Yeah, it’s called DEBT. Once they get you sucked in, you are monetarily enslaved for life. Don’t be like me and HAVE TO work three to four jobs, weekends, and nights.” Geez, all these “know it alls” with all their fancy “Idea 14s” and common core and who the “f” cares crap, never were in a classroom looking kids their eyes when a family member had cancer, died, gang shooting, no heat, translating in court. But, like I said, I get emails all the time from my kids telling me, “Mr. Charvet, I just want you to know I got a job. Mr. Charvet I am scared about growing old; I am turning 30. Mr. Charvet you were the one who reminded me I could be anything I wanted with passion and perseverance. Mr. Charvet, I traveled the United States; Mr. Charvet I wrote a book.” I taught for a long time with all the “trouble kids” and not one of them called me from prison, uh, because they weren’t there. As I have stated many times, I don’t pretend to be a panacea nor need a trophy, but I seem to keep getting calls or emails from kids telling me they are doing well. I see them with good jobs and healthy. One student just left me a long email about how he felt his life was “stuck” and he took a chance on an IT job. He wore a suit for the first time and interviewed by a panel. He got one point lower on the IT exam while outscoring the other applicants with years of experience. I remember his mother coming to me to make an exception to get him into our program as a 9th grade student because the comprehensive high school was not doing him any favors. We did. As he progressed next couple years, we met on Saturdays and nights (I worked Adult Ed but would tutor my day students if they wanted) to help him graduate. Moreover, he said, “Remember how everyone said our school’s diploma was worthless? Well, the IT job is with the school district.” I told him, “I am glad we did it our way.” Thanks for listening. Peace out.
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These stories are so moving. Bless you, Mr. Charvet!
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@Bob “The Legend” — Magic happens when one listens to their students, really cares, and believes in giving them as much advantage as they have in their souls. I am so happy I never listened to “…you can’t do that..” Geez…sounds like I tell fairy tales, but all true and welcome to “tear jerker” city.
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A song for you, Mr., Charvet:
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“No Labels”?!?!?
A very odd name for a political party. I wonder how they (whoever the they is-someone help me out) came up with that one?? Has it occurred to them that the “No Labels” is a label?
A bipartisan group? Who are the funders. I see nothing on their site that indicates who started this and/or is funding it. Someone help me out, please!
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Well, they can’t use Green or Independent…..so No Labels it is! I recently changed my voter status to “I” because I don’t like what the Dem party has become and I’m really not a Republican. I think a lot of people feel this way and they want something more (as witnessed with Bernie Sanders… before all the activist groups took over his campaign).
I hail from MD. I groaned when Larry Hogan, a Republican, was first elected. He turned out to be a very balanced political leader for a purple State and I voted “for” him to be re elected another term. I hated Hogan’s education policies, but he served MD well…..way better than the prior Gov, Martin O’Malley (a Dem). Hogan is now involved with the “No Labels” party. If Hogan runs for POTUS or as VEEP I will vote No Label. I’m done with voting “the lesser of 2 evils” and I’m done with “vote blue…no matter who”. And I don’t care if it “splits” the vote.
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If your voting record was reviewed, I doubt it would show a Democratic pattern of voting.
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Lisa,
Anyone who votes No Labels is helping restore Trump to the White House. Make America Greedy and Authoritarian
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Linda…..You don’t know anything about me and I’m happy to keep it that way!….and I don’t give a rat’s a– how you vote. You’re a lunatic! I will say that from now on, my internal moral compass will decide my vote and I will no longer hold my nose to vote for a candidate just because they are of a certain political party. ALL politics is $$$$$….. tax payer $$$s AND private funding…..wish it weren’t that way, but it is. Citizen’s United has turned campaign season (politics in general) from a bad dream into a dystopian nightmare. Have a great day!
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Lisa, I’m all for being independent in thinking & voting, but the big negative about actually registering as an independent is that in most states, you can’t vote in primaries. So therefore, you will have no say in choosing a candidate until the 2 choices emerge from their party primaries. That’s one of the main problems with our system & why we don’t get the best candidates from both parties. Just something to think about for all of you Independents out there.
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Hogan left a huge mess with the Purple Line, which was created horrid traffic problems in parts of Montgomery and Prince George’s counties, as well as disrupting small businesses. It’s way over budget and late. Hogan also took great delight in screwing the city of Baltimore at every turn as he played to his base.
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I felt the same way when I lived in Massachusetts and Romney was governor. He worked across the aisle. He invented freaking Obamacare, which the Obama administration took from what Romney had done in Massachusetts. I didn’t agree with him about everything, but he was a decent guy. Seriously.
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“Anyone who votes No Labels is helping restore Trump to the White House. Make America Greedy and Authoritarian.”
YES YES YES YES YES
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Larry Hogan supports Republican policies EXCEPT he sometimes supported some moderate Democratic policies.
Hogan is a good choice for people who believe Joe Biden is far too progressive and socialist. Hogan is a good choice for people who say “I like Lieberman and Manchin and I’m glad their friend and kindred spirit Larry Hogan is going to represent the Lieberman/Manchin policies I want.”
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“Citizen’s United has turned campaign season (politics in general) from a bad dream into a dystopian nightmare.”
Right, but Citizens United and the Supreme Court were in voters’ hands in 2016. Those who wanted to make sure Citizens United wasn’t repealed all voted AGAINST the Democrat because they knew that there was an open Supreme Court seat and the court was tied 4-4 and if the Democrat won, she would appoint a liberal justice to that open seat and make the Supreme Court a 5-4 liberal majority that would likely repeal Citizens United. Those of us who didn’t like Citizens United voted for the Democrat.
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Linda, being called a lunatic by someone who uses this site as a substitute for professional therapy is verification that you are on the mark.
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Greg-
Anyone who reads Lisa M’s diatribes would acknowledge her style is Republican grievance and antagonism.
My heart goes out to the daughter she writes about.
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Just a note of interest, “rat’s ass” is a term in Leon Uris’ book, Battle Cry (1953).
“It has the military virtue of being direct and obscene.”
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GregB….I hit the Trifecta!
1) Linda the anti-Catholic ranting/raging lunatic
2) The word salad, Implicit Bias queen/king (?)
and you
3) the white man who knows everything “mansplaining” to the masses because it makes him feel superior
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LisaM,
They are just pointing out that you obviously prefer the policies of Lieberman and Manchin. You like their policies – so own it.
If you are a big fan of Manchin and you are thrilled that Manchin has been blocking all of Biden’s attempts to make this country better because you would be upset if Biden’s policies passed, that’s fine. No Labels is your party and if enough people like you support it, the Joe Manchin agenda that you wan to happen might very well happen.
The rest of us don’t like that agenda, but you do, so you should own it.
It’s just ridiculous to deny you support the Joe Manchin/Joe Lieberman agenda and say that you would support it because they will get their agenda done!
I do have sympathy. I was mad that JImmy Carter wasn’t enacting more good legislation, so I voted to empower the people who were blocking that good legislation. I was still a teenager and I didn’t realize how inane that was until I realized very soon after that “getting things done” means passing all the legislation that made it much harder to get done what I wanted done.
I found that there are also faux progressives in NYC, too, whose real concern is themselves. They would have gladly replaced Bill DeBlasio with a return to Mike Bloomberg because Bloomberg’s policies were good for the affluent Manhattan crowd. They posed as progressives but they pretended that by supporting Bloomberg they weren’t throwing all the vulnerable New Yorkers under the bus and doing great harm to them — they were just supporting Bloomberg because “he got things done.” What they meant was that Bloomberg got things done that affluent people like them liked. The harm that Bloomberg’s policies did to people who weren’t privileged like them didn’t matter.
“Get things done” = “get things done that privileged white people like”. No Labels is a party for them.
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Lisa M
It’s not uncommon for me to be in situations where other people have more gray matter than I do. I’d speculate that almost all people can tell those who are smarter than they are. I know Diane and Greg are smarter than I am, Neither of them show attitudes at the blog that make me think they feel superior to others or me. They may get impatient with me when they disagree, as we all do, but, I don’t feel they are judging me as inferior. In the other direction, I assume that they, similar to me, are not good at assessing the situation of those with equal gray matter or less than theirs. As a result, maybe, they, similar to me, just don’t go there. I believe it’s a street of assessment that only goes in the direction of more than.
We all have the choice of how we engage with those who we have self-assessed are smarter than we are. I feel my cause won’t be advanced by bringing something less than my A game to interactions with them. It is clear to me that Pete Buttigieg is whip smart. If I was in a room with him I’d present my point and if I just couldn’t come around to his way of thinking, even after reasoning with head and heart, I’d stand firm. But, I wouldn’t choose a communication style that diminished me.
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No Labels is a cheesy name for a political party. It sounds like they’re selling tagless underwear. They should call themselves the Tighty Wighteys.
The site says, “The bipartisan group, facing enormous opposition from Democrats…” Let me get this straight, they’re “bipartisan” and opposed by partisans? Their label is no label? How can a party not affiliated with Disney be so Mickey Mouse and so goofy?
You can tell they’re charter school investors because everything they say makes no sense whatsoever.
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See the No Labels donor list, below. Definitely right of center. Republican or DINO.
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Love your first paragraph, LCT!
But maybe they should call themselves the “Tighty Righties!”
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Just Another Billionaire Backed Attack (JABBA)
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HAAAA!!!!
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Peter has a magnificent way of exposing, clearly, utter claptrap. He’s a great muckraker, like Diane.
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Such a fan, here, of his work!
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List of donors: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/06/no-labels-exposed-heres-a-list-of-donors-funding-its-effort-to-disrupt-the-2024-race/
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Thank you!!
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Thanks for the link!
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Wonderful, Oakland Mom!!!
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Thank you for this.
There are no Democrat donors. There are Republican donors who donate exclusive to Republicans, and there are donors who donate mostly to Republicans but also occasionally to a very few Dems to hedge their bets.
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Well observed.
“to hedge their bets”
because it’s all about buying access and influence
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As additional info, Politico has an article about which GOP candidates K Street is funding.
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This is shocking. Donors to Tom Cotton and Glenn Youngkin and Mitch McConnell and Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema.
Sure does sound like an attempt to siphon votes away from the Democratic nominee.
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“warmed over”It got hot for Cory Booker when he said he didn’t know who Moms for Liberty were. He’s all in for privatization of education but, he’s trying to minimize the look, avoid questions.
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Cory Booker must be the only national Pol who doesn’t know what M4L is.
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Exactly, Diane. I can’t believe that he answered that question truthfully. If he did, where has he been?
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That’s because they’re pals with his pal, Betsy DeVos.
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Sounds like Cory wants to avoid answering questions about M4L.
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yup
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Not to sound Pollyanna-ish, but it’s possible to see the silver lining it that. Cory Booker is running away from M4L because he knows it is not politically advantageous for him to embrace anti-public school folks.
Remember when Dems were running to be part of DFER? They were proud of it! Bernie Sanders even endorsed a DFER candidate for Virginia Governor in 2017.
You don’t hear Dems talking about ed reform much anymore.
When I saw M4L, I confused it with M4A — Medicare for All. Which Cory Booker DID endorse!
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Peter Greene is correct in everything he says but where do we go from there. We cannot keep doing what we’ve been doing because however much we resent the use of standardized testing and the results they produce, they remain just one of many opportunities for students to demonstrate proficiency, which is the ability to use in life what one has learned in the classroom.
Choosing to believe test scores are unfair does not protect us from the consequences they create, the most notable of which is a pervasive loss of faith in community public schools. That these are the only schools to which children of color, who are poor, or who must learn to speak English can be assured access only heightens the risk to those communities and their children, and to our democratic society.
Now, with the aggressive expansion of “school choice” on which some states are investing hundreds of millions of dollar, coupled with the recent Supreme Court ruling on affirmative action, our nation’s most vulnerable children are even more vulnerable.
We must find another way to educate our children. We must rally around it by taking positive action with all the passion we feel when we see our democracy at risk. And we must do it in our community public schools as turning them into successful learning laboratories is the only way to save them.
The Hawkins Model© is an innovative approach to teaching and learning that I have developed. It was inspired by ten years of walking in the shoes of public-school teachers as a substitute: by a lifetime of working and volunteering with kids in multiple settings; by thirty years in organizations responsible for operations and hiring; and as an independent organizational leadership development consultant. In all of those roles my forte was developing innovative solutions to production and service-delivery processes—of which an education process is a version—that routinely produced unacceptable outcomes.
My approach involved stepping outside the boundaries of conventional thinking and employing a problem-solving methodology to understand why a process (education, production or service-delivery) is unable to produce the outcomes they seek. Once one gains an understanding of the flaws that lead to unacceptable outcomes in a process, we are able to go back to their drawing board to reimagine and redesign a process to produce the outcomes we seek and that our customers demand. This is what I have done with the dysfunctional education process at work in virtually all of our nation’s schools.
Please understand that teachers and administrators are victims of the inefficacy of our education process as are their students. Teachers are not to blame and are, in fact, the glue that holds it all together. All of the good things that happen to students in our schools are result of the commitment and dedication of teachers despite the impediments inherent in education process that has grown obsolete.
The Hawkins Model©:
• changes the way we organize teachers, students, and classrooms.
• While it must still teach to academic standards, we alter the priority given to the schedules embedded in those standards and shift that priority to learning with a laser-like focus.
• It makes forging relationships with each student the first priority because the relationships between teachers and their students are, far-and-away, the most essential variable in the education equation.
• changes time from a fixed asset and constraint to a variable asset available to students and teachers in whatever quantities they require.
• it requires teachers to assess the level of academic preparedness and emotional development of students when they arrive at our door at ages five, six, and seven so we can commence their academic journey at the cusp of their knowledge and their level of emotional maturity.
• utilizes what teachers learn from those assessments to tailor an academic plan that addresses the unique requirements of each student.
• It then encourages teachers to develop and practice their craft and authorizes them to differentiate in response to the unique needs of their students.
• The model alters the way we keep score based on the belief that learning is the only thing that counts and that should be counted, and it refuses to accept less than the best students can do. Accepting less than a student’s best is what the existing education process does each time it calls halt to a lesson, asks teachers to record Cs, Ds, and Fs next to the names of students who are then pushed forward to new lessons without the prerequisite knowledge the preceding lessons were intended to impart. This diminishes the probability of a student’s success with each succeeding lesson.
• And, the model provides a learning laboratory in which success and innovation become the expectations of the model rather than exceptions that must be carved out of pedagogic traditions.
The end product is a truly transformational education process in which we discover that success in learning is a powerful motivational force that propels students from one success to the next on a unique academic journey in which they are encouraged to take increasing levels of ownership over their dreams and aspirations.
Please take the time to check out my model at melhawkinsandassociatescom where you will find the first 20 pages of my book, The Hawkins Model©: Education Reimagined, One Success at a Time, which is where I encourage you to begin. Afterwards, check out my bio that explains why I feel qualified to offer this new education model and then Chapter Six of my book, which is the actual step-by-step implementation plan of my model.
All you risk by examining my model is a little bit of your time for an opportunity to transform education for each child and teacher in the U.S. If you like what you read, I invite you to read the manuscript of my yet-to-be-published book and provide me with letters of support that will help me find a literary agent and publisher. My model is free to any publicly funded or faith-based school willing to put the model to the test in a struggling elementary school. The only revenue I hope to generate from it will be the royalties from my book, once published.
Please let me answer your questions and address the doubts that are doing their best to hold you back and remember that anything human beings can imagine human beings can do.
Sincerely,
Mel Hawkins, MSEd, MPA
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the most notable of which is a pervasive loss of faith in community public schools.
That’s bizarre because the test scores have barely budged in decades.
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You are correct, which is an answer in and of itself. What has changed in recent years is that a number of states are now convincing their legislature to spend hundreds of millions of dollars for tuition vouchers and subsidies so parents can transfer their children from public schools to private charter schools–schools that often peform no better than the schools they were intended to replace. The primary justification for such investments ($600 million for Indiana in 2025) is students will have a better chance of success in a private charter school than in their current community public school.
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Recent estimates of the cost of the new voucher program in Florida, where I live, say that the program will divert 1.3 billion from our public schools.
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Another estimate of the cost of Florida’s new universal voucher plan, which gives state money to students who never attended public schools, is $4 billion per year.
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Mel-
There’s a segment advancing charter schools but, the group with the most traction in destroying public education is from well-funded and politically well- organized leaders in right wing religion. There are state Catholic Conferences that co-host school choice rallies in state capitols. The executive director of the Colorado Catholic Conference was formerly with EdChoice and the Koch network. In Indiana and Florida, Catholics publicly take credit for the initiation and passage of school choice legislation. There are many other examples of overlap between Koch and right wing Catholics. Jefferson warned, in every age, in every country, the priest aligns with the despot.
Paul Weyrich, co-founder of ALEC, Heritage Foundation and the religious right was right wing Catholic and he was funded by Koch. Weyrich called for parallel schools to destroy public schools.
Leonard Leo who ushered in the right wing SCOTUS jurists is right wing Catholic with 9 kids. He has $1.6 bil. to spend to further pluto-theocracy. He said, “If this can work in law, why can’t it work for lots of other areas of American culture and American life.” One of the group’s he’s relying on to further his goals is Teneo. It was described at Connecticut Mirror, 3-12-2023, “Inside the ‘private and confidential’ conservative group that promises to ‘crush liberal dominance.'”
The discussions about standards, testing, etc. are distractions from the big picture.
Recommended reading at the Scielo site – research that includes the U.S. and is broader then the title suggests. “The new official contents of sex education in Mexico: laicism in the crosshairs.”
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Emails from No Labels, Hannity, and others that I have never seen before have been appearing in my email daily, and I’m not an independent voter. I’m a registered Democrat. I haven’t opened any yet. Some are from Democrats running for office in other states and cities asking for money. I delete them, too. Since there are so many emails asking for money for this or that, I delete them all. I’m retired on a fixed income and do not want to give my money away and end up losing my house and become homeless.
To clear my email box, I spend at least an hour daily deleting junk I never open. Thousands of emails pile up in trash that are supposed to be deleted every thirty days, but that doesn’t happen. I have to go to trash to delete them manually to free up space.
I keep marking emails from Hannity and others as SPAM and deleting them but they keep showing up every day anyway.
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To the tune of “Lydia, the Tattooed Lady,” by Yip Harburg and Harold Arlen, sung by Groucho Marx
Hannity, Hannity, that utter inanity.
Hannity the braying baby.
Trump he surely adores so!
Both have Spam-like torsos!
Hannity, Hannity, that utter inanity
Hannity the Queen of the News!
On his knees he is perfectly comfy for
he has no shame but comes back for more.
[slower, with feeling:]
Both cynically wave
the Red, White and Blue
You can learn from Trump and Hannity!
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Same w/me, Lloyd. Even when I take the time to “unsubscribe” (to something which I never even subscribed to!), the emails reappear, as if magic! & so many connected to ActBlue to which I would NEVER subscribe…or send money to (taking your money & choosing to send it to ANY Dem candidates).
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No Lapels”
Lots of money
But no lapels
“Something’s funny”
What that spells
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And it smells” also works
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No Label Ruse
Armani suit’s Armani
With label or without
It’s really very funny
A ruse, without a doubt
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Another gem, SDP!
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Oh, so funny! Thanx again, SDP!
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I have something I want to say, and I’m not sure where to say it, so, here:
There are lots of older people who have spent a lifetime learning, in and out of books, who have extraordinary experience that has given them rare wisdom and insight in many areas of life. We as a self-defined cultural group–Americans–need to stop the youth worship. We need to respect our elders and go to them for their wisdom.
We need that. We need our journalists seeking out the wisdom of people deeply knowledgeable about the pressing topics of the day–not celebrities and politicians, but learned, experienced, actually wise people.
How do we make that happen? How do we get them to ask the education question not to a pompous and stunted fool like Bill Gates but to lifelong educators recognized for their excellence?
And, at the same time, ofc, we need to be certain that people are cognitively fit to fill the leadership positions they aspire to, and we need to expand the Supreme Court and do away with lifetime appointments.
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We need to be creative about this, to invent new mechanisms, new vehicles, for identifying the best–the most experienced, the most knowledgeable, the most wise among our elders–people unknown to most Americans–and forefront them.
Teachers know that our young people are yearning for mentorship and direction, that they have this deep need. I think our entire country does.
WTF is Jim Jordan in the news cycle but person who can tell you how to start your own business and actually make it isn’t?
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You are absolutely right, and thank you for this insightful comment. I don’t know either. I have been depressed by the state of journalism and the prominence and power of reporters who believe cultivating (and pleasing) powerful sources is what journalism is all about.
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Back in the day, I grew up looking over grandpa’s shoulder.
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Amen. Me, too.
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& reading (the PRINT newspaper!) over grandpa’s shoulder.
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Mark Penn is the husband of Nancy Jacobson the co-founder of the “No Labels” party. “In an April 2023 op-ed, Penn largely dismissed Joe Biden as a viable 2024 candidate according to Insider and expressed hope for DeSantis, citing, among other things, a motivation to prevent Donald Trump from becoming president again.” Jacobson’s interview on meet the press is quite funny. It’s so obvious that “No Labels” is a front for a few rich people, not the “common sense majority” that she claims it to be.
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Yeah, love the “Biden is too old and demented, so I support DeSantis” crowd posing as “bipartisan”.
And it works! Our resident Putin-defender excoriated Democrats for losing the “No Labels” crowd! Except she INTENTIONALLY refers to them as “centrists” and not a far right organization.
Imagine what this entire conversation would look like if it began with:
“A group of right wing billionaires and the politicians like Lieberman and Manchin who do their bidding started an organization because they are angry that Biden’s policies appeal to the middle class and the progressive and moderate Democrats are UNITED. That group of billionaires who love DeSantis are posing as a bi-partisan organization. What is the best way to disempower them?”
Then you wouldn’t get the faux progressive right wing concern trolling that “Dems have lost the far right, it’s their fault for not passing more of their progressive agenda.”
You would have a conversation about how to make the public aware that No Labels is a right wing fraud of people who would be happy to have DeSantis as president. After all, DeSantis “gets things done” – no one can deny DeSantis got a lot done in Florida.
If the Kochs and Peter Thiel started an organization, would say that “the Dems lost these centrists so they are doing something wrong.”
No Labels has one goal: To get the NYT and the other so-called liberal media to post their favorite headline:
DEMS IN DISARRAY
Because right now, the fact that both Bernie Sanders and AOC have already endorsed Biden means that the Dems are unified, and that is very, very bad for the far right agenda.
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NYCPSP,
Whatever Dienne writes in this blog will not determine the outcome of the election. You need to stop hammering her.
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“Financial literacy is essential for all Americans striving to get ahead”
“Americans say they are living paycheck to paycheck. ”
I think what would help these folks is a financial literacy class where they would learn how to invest their left over money, which is $0, to pay for a vacation or their kids’ higher education. In other words what Americans should do is take classes in magic.
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Haaaa!
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Agree, Mate
When I watch a program in which people making millions advise the audience who are making less than $60,000 that the way to save for retirement is by denying themselves a cup of Starbucks coffee, it gives a reason to throw a Payless shoe at the tv.
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Haaaa!
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You knocked it out of the ballpark, Mate. Brilliant.
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Way to go Diane! Since the late 60’s when the party of Abraham Lincoln started its southward drive to become the party of Jefferson Davis (sans the bit about chattel slavery) , it has become a reactionary, demagogic movement financed to a large extent by rogue billionaires and bolstered by millions of blue-collar Americans left behind by the massive deindustrialization of the 80s and 90s. Which is why I beg all of us who haven’t drank the MAGA cool-aid to stop calling these people “conservatives”! They are radical reactionaries dedicated to the long march of capturing core American institutions – government, the media, the courts, the libraries, and especially the schools. The ed reform debate, real or bogus, is secondary to the politics of education which, for the Radical Right, is the elimination of the major thorn in the Radical Right’s side: teacher unions. Undermining public faith in public schooling and the professionalism of teachers is their main strategy. But at least the Radical Right is honest about their hatred of public schools, teachers, unions, and everything public. The No Labels crowd are more insidious (and thus more dangerous) in posing as responsible education reformers when in fact they just want to make schools subservient to a society of privatization and labor exploitation.
And yes, they and RFK Jr are real threats to preventing Trump from attaining power again…..
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R Bruce Tuttle, thanks for adding your comment. The label, “conservative” is used to protect politicized, right wing Catholics like Leonard Leo, John Eastman, Adrian Vermuele, Robert P George, EPPC and the USCCB.
The primary threat to Trump’s GOP nomination is the loss of support from the right wing Catholic Church. Sixty-three percent of White Catholics who attend church regularly voted for Trump in 2020. But, more importantly is the lobbying done by their almost 50 state Catholic Conferences and the network of influencers like Lumen Christi where Nebraska’s Sen. Ricketts is on the board, Leonine, EPPC, CNP, Teneo, Catholic Vote, etc. The Executive Director of the Colorado Catholic Conference was formerly with the Koch network and EdChoice. The connections are not an anomaly.
Recommended reading- research posted at the Scielo site that is broader than the title suggests and references the US, “The new official contents of sex education in Mexico: laicism in the crosshairs.”
Regards
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Totally agree.
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