One of the curiosities of the presidential campaign was the evangelicals’ embrace of a man who has been married three times, runs casinos, and who lives a life of ostentation (not to mention the nude photos on the Internet of his third wife).
Now the evangelicals are getting the rewards they sought in Trump’s appointments.
Encouraged by Trump’s cabinet picks, conservative Christians want many of Obama’s social policies reversed
CHARLESTON, S.C.—After nearly a decade, the Christian right is emerging from the political wilderness.
Donald Trump’s victory is giving new life to socially conservative causes that have suffered a string of defeats in recent years, potentially reigniting culture wars that many liberals had hoped were all but over.
Conservative Christians who had despaired of the country’s direction under President Barack Obama—and of developments such as the legalization of same-sex marriage—now expect to wield influence in an administration that they helped bring to power.
They are pressing for a ban on late-term abortions; expanded accommodation for religion in the workplace, at hospitals and elsewhere; and, above all, the appointment of conservative judges.
Already, social conservatives are taking up positions in Mr. Trump’s cabinet. Tom Price, a forceful voice for expanding religious liberty and a vehement opponent of the Obamacare contraception mandates, was tapped last week to become secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services. Ben Carson, a Christian who has frequently spoken out against gay and transgender rights, was chosen to be secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
“I hope we can restore our country to a God-fearing nation again,” Sindy Mills, 37, who voted for Mr. Trump, said outside of Charleston Baptist Church. She said America had turned away from God with “the same-sex marriage issue and abortion and taking God out of the schools.”
Despite these expectations, the religious right’s goals have shifted since the last time Republicans were in power—reflecting the difficulty of reversing social changes that occurred during the Obama years.
Few conservative Christians are calling for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, as they did during President George W. Bush’s tenure. Instead, their immediate goals are more incremental.
In interviews, social conservatives said they expect Mr. Trump to promptly rescind an Obama administration executive order that bans federal contractors from discriminating against gay, lesbian and transgender people. They also anticipate that health-care regulations that require Catholic hospitals to offer contraception will be reversed, something Vice President-elect Mike Pence, a staunch social conservative, promised during the campaign.
In the long term, many evangelicals are hoping that conservative judges will overturn rulings on social issues including gay marriage and Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 Supreme Court case that established a nationwide right to abortion access.
“There’s no question we are losing the culture war, but we haven’t lost it,” said Dr. Richard Land, president of the Southern Evangelical Seminary. “There’s been incalculable damage done by Mr. Obama, but much of it can be undone just by undoing his executive orders.”
Mr. Trump, who grew up in a Presbyterian church and has since attended a Reformed Church in America congregation, said in June: “Jesus to me is somebody I can think about for security and confidence.” He added, “I consider the Christian religion so important.”
Ultimately, more than 80% of white evangelical Christians voted for Mr. Trump, as did 52% of Catholics. Mr. Land said that evangelicals realize Mr. Trump isn’t “one of them,” but they have been encouraged by his defense of religious freedom and by appointments to the Trump administration, especially Mr. Pence.
Betsy DeVos, Mr. Trump’s choice for education secretary, said in the past that she wanted to work in education to “advance God’s kingdom,” according to a recording obtained by Politico.
Jerry Falwell Jr., the president of Liberty University and one of Mr. Trump’s earliest and most steadfast evangelical backers, said he was initially offered the secretary of education post. He turned it down, he said, citing family concerns but continues to counsel Mr. Trump by phone.
“He’s going to end up being for conservatives another Ronald Reagan,” said Mr. Falwell, whose father of the same name founded in the late 1970s Moral Majority, an organization that helped launch the modern religious right.
“Probably better than Ronald Reagan in a lot of ways….”
“God gave our country a break,” said Alan Sears, chief executive officer of the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative legal organization that advocates for religious liberty, in a video posted on the group’s website. As he asked for donations, he said: “We can either move ahead and halt evil, or we can flounder and think that somebody else will take care of the problem for us.”

Be VERY careful what you pray for. You may get it.
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This should come as no surprise as these issues were the base line of the 2016 election. Trump has no economic or foreign policy plans that make any sense. His basic appeal is based on reverting to a world of suppression of minorities and refugees, in whatever form they might take. Trump has as much appreciation for religion as many on the religious right who equate God with Country have.
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Not sure that Trump ever entered a church
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Diane is right, Trump has no history of positions that would indicate he thinks religion is particularly important as you state. He just began parroting this stuff to garner Evangelical votes. He’s thanked them for their support by making Pence his VP. Not sure how far he’ll go in pushing that envelope. I think he picked Price & Carson for their anti-safety-net views, & DeVos for her pro-ed-privatization work. Whether he backs moves to dump Roe v Wade or reverse gay marriage? Maybe, but not if it threatens to make him lose popularity. His personal convictions on these issues are fairly liberal I think.
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He stands more to lose from evangelicals than from those that find overturning roe v wade objectionable . Everybody is anti abortion till
they personally are in need of one. Those that supported choice were never voting for Trump.
Peter Thiel may be the only gay person to support him
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The Christian right’s definition of religious freedom is not about freedom. It’s about forcing the rest of us to live life like they want us to live with strict limitations on our freedom that fits what they believe. God fearing isn’t fearing God. It’s fearing them and their twisted, literal interpretation of what the figurative language in the Bible actually might mean but is debatable for those with open, educated minds.
Want an example, read the history of the Catholic Church and its inquisitions that punished anyone that did not fear the Church and what it wanted everyone to think.
What will we call this inquisition hidden behind the term “Religious Freedom”? Will it be called Trump’s Inquisition?
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Lloyd: And then the priests sold forgiveness.
But I must say this: from experiencing some of the inner dialogue of the Catholic Church, these issues do NOT go ignored but are the subject of ongoing dialogue couched in mutual respect and love and again, in forgiveness, but with the full recognition of the evil that was and is being done. I have met very few in the Catholic Church who are not painfully self-reflective about evil in the world.
That being said, they got the Trump-thing dead wrong. Forget the marriages, abortion, and capitalism gone amok. Of all people the Catholics should be able to recognize hints, developments, and even present realities of a fascist personality and the emerging outline of a fascist state.
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Essentially, they want a type of Christian Sharia Law. But only their preferred version of Christianity.
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Zorba,
What are the options for non-Christians?
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Abigail, if these “Christianists” get their way, it’s not going to be good for non-Christians, the non-religious, anybody who does not believe the way they believe (as I said, even including Christians who are not “like them”) . 😦
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Should I plan an exit strategy?
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Abigail, I can’t totally assure you on that one- I really wish I could.
It may not be as bad as I fear for non-Christians (or for non-the-“right kind”-of Christians), but the increasing levels of harassment, violence, vandalism, etc, against those who “look” different, believe differently, act differently, makes me very, very nervous.
I would wait and see, but it wouldn’t hurt to have an exit strategy at least in mind. Mr. Zorba and I have discussed this, but unfortunately, we are getting too old, with too many medical problems between us, to make this a totally viable alternative for us.
We have lived through bad times in the past in this country, and have come through them. I continue to support and work for causes and candidates I believe in, and I urge you to do the same.
Unless the US Constitution is totally abrogated (which I really don’t think will happen), I think that we can get through this, as well, although it will be difficult.
Take care, and I wish you the best, my sister.
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Lloyd
Are you familiar with Hypatia? She was a scholar at the Library of Alexandria who was executed by a Christian mob when they destroyed what was left of the library in 425 AD.
Carl Sagan ended his Cosmos series talking about Hypatia and how we should never allow the destruction of human reason to happen again.
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It’s happening again in Europe, North America and the Middle East while it is arguable that China is moving toward reason through its public education system. To think that China sent teams of teachers/scholars to the U.S. after Mao’s death to study our public educatoin system and those schools in Shanghai that are #1 on the international PISA test are in an education system that was created by those teams when they returned to China. I’ve been told that above classroom doors, there is a sign that challenges Chinese students to find more than one answer to a variety of issues.
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The Cathars were killed out for rediscovering and reviving some of the Gnostic gospels and the original teachings of Jesus.
Same thing with Giordano Bruno who was burnt at the stake in 1600 AD. He dared to agree with Copernicus, that the earth went around the sun, that the stars are distant sun’s with planets, and possibly life. He also read the books of a forbidden library containing some of the original Gnostic teachings and told the Catholic church that they should stop fooling their followers and reveal that they were really preaching the Mithras religion out of Egypt.
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Women have rights, of course…but can anyone really approve, support and defend what happens to a human fetus/sustainable life being aborted during late term abortion? Other than saving the life of the mother….I’m sure most wouldn’t let a dog be subjected to such horrors!? With so many childless couples wanting a child, why wouldn’t that allow for multiple lives made better? No? And yes…I will continue to pray for peace and unity for ALL! We must continue to hope and work towards the rights of all.
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“Women have rights…but”
…..but, but, but you want to decide if another woman’s rights should be usurped by the state based on what you believe is going on regarding late term abortions?
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Talk to me about those childless couples when over 300,000 are not in long term foster care . As for late term abortions the overwhelming majority are preformed under the most dire of circumstances. This is not a flippant decision on the part of most women. Many abortions preformed after 16 weeks are due to factors that are caused by the anti abortion furor . Like finding it difficult to find a provider or shame.
The abortions after 20 weeks are even more tragic.
Read it and perhaps you wont be so flippant
http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/10/25/six-must-read-accounts-women-who-have-actually-had-late-term-abortions/214093
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I don’t believe anyone is pro-abortion. That is why choice gives women the right to choose what to do with their own bodies. If Christians feel that abortion is a sin, they don’t have to choose it. As for other people, they should have the right to choose. If abortion is a sin; it is their sin, not yours. You should worry about your own body and sins, if you are Christian, and not someone else’s. Let others make that choice for themselves.
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I agree, retir d teacher.
Apparently, “openminded” is not as open-minded as he/she thinks.
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Very well stated, retired teacher!
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Jesus talked a lot more about helping the poor and outcast than the evils of abortion (in fact, he never talked about the evils of abortion as far I know). Jesus would be standing up for bullied Muslims, not yelling hate at a Trump rally, if he were alive today.
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Diane: What a good example of how evil works.
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Many evangelicals voted for Trump despite Trump’s history of “Un-Christian” behavior in business and his personal life. They had their eyes on the prize of overturning Roe v Wade and overturning Obama’s social agenda. They are emboldened because they see Trump will be putty in their hands.
I was raised in the Presbyterian Church. I left when I was a teenager because I could not accept the belief in predestination, one of the tenets of Calvinism. Predestination fits in nicely with an oligarchy. It believes that God sorts people into “winners” and “losers.” Some people are destined to have good lives, after which they will ascend to heaven where they will enjoy a rich spiritual life. Others are condemned to a meager life, and they will burn in hell eternally. Frankly, I thought the whole idea was offensive and perversion of Christianity, and argued endless with the seminarians about it until I took a hike and never looked back. To be fair, there were some lovely people in the church that didn’t think much about predestination at all.
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I had trouble with that one too, but the minister explained it to me this way. Because God is omniscient, he knows what we are going to do before we do it. At the time it mattered to me. I know the original teaching on the subject was very rigid. Now although I still believe in some power beyond, the various doctrines just strike me as man’s attempt to understand/explain God. I don’t pretend to understand anymore. Faith is not really a rational process, and as far as I am concerned it doesn’t need to be.
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I grew up as a Christian in the US and have studied the teachings of Jesus and found them to be two opposite things. The conservative Christians around me were the most eager to go to war. How could the teachings of a pacifist create such a bloodthirsty religion? It took numerous decades, moving out of the culture, and discovering the missing pieces of the puzzle with Gnostic gospels (that were intentionally destroyed by Constantine 1700 years ago) to figure out the mystery.
There used to be around 80 different stories about Jesus, many written when he was still alive. But they were all systematically destroyed throughout the Roman Empire so that only the four gospels Constantine cherry picked at the Council of Lycia would ever be read by the Christian religion he hijacked and recreated. In the Gnostic gospel of Thomas, Jesus was saying that the material world around us is really made of a common energy (the same thing Einstein said with E=mc2) and that once we realized this, we realize that our spiritual energy will live on after our material bodies die, making us all sons of God. But Constantine changed that message. He twisted Jesus into the son of God himself and proclaimed that the only get to heaven was through the Christian church that he just recreated.
Knowing that people’s reality is mostly shaped by the religious stories they hear, Constantine decided to unify all of the religions into one throughout the empire so that he could reunify the empire with a single narrative. The early followers of Jesus were a problem for Constantine because many were pacifist who refused to fight Rome’s wars, generally rejected the materialistic lifestyle of Rome, and were growing in numbers. So he hijacked the name of Jesus, but replaced his teachings with the Mithras religion out of Egypt, the most popular religion throughout the empire at that time.
The son of God, born on the 25th of December of a virgin mother. He is the way, the truth, and the light, so let’s break bread and drink wine in his name. He died on a cross and was resurrected three days later. All of that is from the Mithras and God of Horus religions out of Egypt, not the original Jesus of Nazareth story. The real Jesus was spreading the “Good news” about the Jewish tradition of debt forgiveness, going into town after town asking the rich to give away their wealth to the poor, and flipping over the money maker’s tables at the temple. Constantine wanted to concentrate wealth, so Jesus’s pacifist and wealth redistribution message had to be reemphasized.
So after the Council of Lycia in 325 AD where only four gospels about Jesus were allowed to be told, a multi-decade persecution against the any Gnostics or Pagan teachings began where temples were raided, scrolls were burned, and anyone who objected was executed. To me, this explains Christianity’s 1,700 year bloody history, just force your point of view and kill anyone who dares to disagree, that’s how the people are controlled in a theocracy. What Jesus taught the 300 years before that was something totally different.
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We will agree that the formation of the Christian church and the decisions about what would be considered sacred texts were not topics covered in Sunday school, but Jesus the Jew as interpreted by the pharisee Saul/Paul was probably not “into” gnosticism. Granted, I know nothing of Jewish mysticism, which might sway me, but the earliest Jewish roots of Christianity should be primary.
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2old2teach,
According to the documentary I referenced Paul is one of the closest followers of the Gnostic concepts.
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Then it would be an interesting study to look for those roots in his letters to the early church community.
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Christ’s Jewish followers didn’t write their gospels until decades after JC’s alleged death date.
JC never wrote anything. Decades after his alleged death, his followers wrote what they remembered he said. Do you know how flawed human memory is, how we humans can revise memories and even create memories for things we never did?
https://carm.org/when-were-gospels-written-and-whom
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2013/02/21/speak-memory/
And then there was the Emperor Constantine in Constantinople who reigned from 306 – 336 AD, and the first Council of Nicaea.
“The First Council of Nicaea was the first ecumenical council of the Church. Most significantly, it resulted in the first uniform Christian doctrine, called the Nicene Creed. With the creation of the creed, a precedent was established for subsequent local and regional councils of Bishops (Synods) to create statements of belief and canons of doctrinal orthodoxy—the intent being to define unity of beliefs for the whole of Christendom.”
“The Council declared that the Son was true God, co-eternal with the Father and begotten from His same substance, arguing that such a doctrine best codified the Scriptural presentation of the Son as well as traditional Christian belief about him handed down from the Apostles. This belief was expressed by the bishops in the Creed of Nicaea, which would form the basis of what has since been known as the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed.”
From this point on, it was all downhill to the mess we have today with the deplorables that support Donald Trump.
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Imagine the power Constantine created to control people’s mind. Tell the little kids as they are growing up that there is something wrong with them, that they are naturally sinful. And the only way for them to fix that, is to believe this guy was the son of God and what they are told at Constantine’s church.
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Paul’s letters are the earliest intact writings we have, some of which probably weren’t written by him (~50s). Paul wrote before the gospels were written, and since he was not a disciple probably did not know a lot of the stories about events in Jesus’ life. The “gospels” carry a dominant strain within each but most likely include the writings of several people(~60s-early70s). The Gospel Parallels are kind of interesting to see commonalities. John was the latest of the gospels, probably written by someone who was perhaps a follower of John(90s+?). It has been a long time since I have really gotten into dissecting this stuff, and I assume Biblical scholarship has moved far beyond my only ever basic understanding. Looking at these texts from a historical point of view was a mind blowing experience for me.
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Personally, I think that Jewish message of Sabbath Economic is the “good news” that Jesus was mostly talking about. When all of the mystic stuff is taken away, a 50 year debt forgiveness Jubilee makes a lot of economic sense. It beats letting the wealth concentrate in society to the point of a bloody revolution.
http://www.sabbatheconomics.org/Sabbath_Economics_Collaborative/Home.html
“Each according to their needs” wasn’t coined by Marx, it was the one of the central concepts of the Apostles’ communal lifestyle in the book of Acts.
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‘ “Each according to their needs” wasn’t coined by Marx, it was the one of the central concepts of the Apostles’ communal lifestyle in the book of Acts.’
Yes, it takes some very creative reading of scripture to come up with the belief that God wants you to roll in dough while your neighbor starves. Of course, any of us who are even slightly ahead of the game can struggle with our obligation to help those who are less fortunate.
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this is a Christian country. And a Jewish country. And a Muslim, Buddhist and Hindu country. the founding fathers (and mothers) must be turning over in their graves at the imposition of a state religion.
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Actually none of the above
So that there should be no misinterpretation of the bigly stupendous wall the founders built.
But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.”
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802 .
a little later on
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814
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Joel: Thank you for bringing these quotes forward. As you probably know, Jefferson studied history. From there, he knew not that religions are bad (I don’t think he thought that), but that the relationship between ourselves and our God is not the same relationship between ourselves and others in the socio-political-moral realm or the public square.
I think he also knew that, (1) like the priests he speaks of, in the heart of many people who embrace a doctrinal faith is a misunderstanding of what “secular” means and how the separation of political and religious powers and institutions affects the peace of their own personal and religious existence, and (2) there is a religious totalitarian in most, trying to gain control and, therefore, to usurp secular freedoms. It’s these well-meaning people who seem to need, more than many others, an understanding of history and of the various political ways we govern our lives..
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Catherine Blanche King
Eloquently put .
The history that Jefferson would have been most familiar with was that of the early colonies, many of which were formed to escape the religious tyranny of the previous colony that they had resided in. Who in turn had left another colony or England for freedom of religion only to deny it to others.
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Joel: Yes, but he also read the history of European nations and the Greeks, and suggested to his Nephew that, if he wanted to become educated, he should read it as written in its original language. It’s been awhile, but I believe this direction is in his (famous in the field of Jefferson literature), letter to his nephew.
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w.j.Johnson. Look him up in wikipedia. Amazing guy.
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one of those days…..c.f. Johnson, foe of vouchers in Texas—forgot which thread I was in.
I suppose there is a wall street Johnson somewhere—
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Wailing and gnashing of teeth. Illiberalism breeds illiberalism. It’s a pendulum thing.
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Irony.
Trump: I’m pro-life, okay?
To private citizen he insulted and caused to be harassed.
A nation, perhaps the world, divided by religion, spiritual matters, matters of the soul, based on the most worldly of things, the beginning of life.
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The saddest thing for me is that the “Christian” right has turned away from Jesus Christ who taught love and mercy for everyone, even “the least of my brethren.” I’ve thought a lot about it, and based on people I know, I think many in the religious right are actually superstitious (say three Hail Mary’s, turn around five times and you might win the lottery). An old friend of mine is a daily gambler who attends Mass each day. Is she praying for a win? I don’t know. I do know that she “hates” President Obama and does not approve of government services and health care for the poor and disabled. She agrees with Ben Carson who thinks “family and friends” should take care of these people. Don’t we wish!
It is easy to spot the genuine Christian, Jew, Muslim or …. They are the people easing the suffering of the poor and ministering to the disabled, the depressed, the oppressed. They are the people offering a home to an unwed mother, or friendship to the homeless man at the corner. They are praying for the strength of our country, especially during this trying time. And yes, they worship at our churches, synagogues and mosques but that’s not all they do. They actually PRACTICE the beliefs of their respective religions. It is comforting to know that many (most?) people recognize true goodness when they see it and that’s why Pope Francis is admired by people of all faiths from every point of the globe.
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Thank you, Linda. True people of faith don’t ignore the suffering of others
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And neither do “true people” of no faith.
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Our nation needs prayer. God help us.
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There are times and places for anti-intellectualism, moments of earthy, emotional reflection, indulgence in stress-relieving magical thinking, comedy, other indulgences.
The election of a US president is not one of them.
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‘Twas beauty that killed the beast.
Or rather his “beautiful Twitter account”.
Will Trump bring himself down by Tweeting? Will he ultimately trigger a tragedy that leads to impeachment?
https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/08/us/politics/donald-trump-twitter-carrier-chuck-jones.amp.html?client=safari
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He needs to give up the account before this happens. Seems like an eventuality otherwise.
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YEP!
Been reading Greenwald for many years, long before finding this blog. A true journalist is he!
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Yes the WP has an agenda like every media organization .
That does not mean that every story is suspect. Or even that many are suspect.
Yes the WP did a hatchet job on Sanders.
“Needless to say, Democrats — still eager to make sense of their election loss and to find causes for it other than themselves — immediately declared these anonymous claims about what the CIA believes to be true ”
Well lets see, Juan Cole also an excellent journalist has made a similar claim .
Yes the Election was Hillary’s to lose. But it is delusional to think that a mere 77,000 votes across three states would not have been swung or discouraged by a combination of the constant email drip and the FBI actions . A congress woman here on LI Kathleen Rice defeated her opponent by a greater margin .
Cole makes the point that nobody remembers what was in the emails . That’s just the point. It is the headline that counts. That’s how a 30 second commercial works . Any body not in the the top 20% would know Trump was going .screw them if they read position papers or followed the election they don’t
Ask them the name of their congressman and get back to me.
So I will repeat an earlier statement Google Hacks and Cracks and tell me what language comes up. You might want to pick up some software from the site . But the next thing you will find is a keylogger on your computer sending your identity to the old Soviet Union .
That fat kid 400 kid on a bed in Jersey(Probably related to Christie ) is going after more than one candidate and one party. . Here is the breaking news . If Putin gets tired of Trump you will find the tapes that proved Trump was in on it .
Just like Rudy set the FBI on Clinton you could read it on his weaselly little face when he was confronted, that sly little grin of his should send him to the gallows.
“You’ll see ”
“You’ll see ”
“You’ll see ”
“You’ll see “
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pound kid
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two observations: the freedom of the religious right has not been denied in any sense. They are free to worship as they please and where they please as long as it isn’t a public institution. We area religiously pluralistic society: someone should explain this to them. In feeling abused and used and denied their religious freedom, they totally have no concept of the civil rights of others and would deny them those rights by closing their doors on any whose ideas and/or lifestyle they don’t agree with. I don’t think they “get” that American is made up of a multitude of religions, cultures, sub-cultures, ethnicities and we all make “room” for each other. Oh, yeah, abortion. They should value life outside the womb as much as they do within it. We’d all be better for it and a better society.
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Well, let’s just move on already! So what if Russia may have destabilized us? Let’s move on. So what if we’re standing on train tracks walking toward a raging light? These are the same tracks where a train derailed years ago. In fact, these are terrible tracks. I think it’s tracks like these that make so many people fly, so many people would rather fly. Many people say this! This may be why trains are not so great anymore, I don’t know. Many people say that. Many people. Let’s just move on. Onward and upward, and into the spotlight. That train looks happy to see me! So happy!
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Anyone who claims Christianity and behaves as the modern distant right behaves is unrecognizable to the Christianity of my youth. The religious convictions of modern fundamentalists go no farther than condemnation of people different from themselves. Thus the acceptance of an oligarchy is no real step for them.
Most people who oppose abortion would no more pay higher taxes to take care of the unwanted kids than they would fund their church in an effort to help them. Remember when American Protestants had it all,to themselves? That was the day when the orphan trains took children west to be adopted by people who wanted free labor.
Many years ago, my aunt grew up in an era that distrusted a government that had entered the First World War to defend economic interests. That conflicted with her Methodism. She always thought Roosevelt could have kept us from World War II. She supported Republicans until the era of Reagan. Clinton and Gore received donation money from this lady after Nixon and Reagan convinced her that the Republicans no longer represented her. Modern fundamentalists would see her as unchristian. They would be wrong.
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Roy,
I wonder when ethics disappeared from ministers’ sermons. The seven deadly sins and the seven virtues used to be staples of Christianity. Now it seems the religion is reduced to: “I’m saved. Abortion and gays are evil. Muslims are demons.” What happened to condemnations of gambling? Of greed? Of pride? Of choler? Dante would not recognize today’s Christianity. It seems to me this dumbing down of Christianity is the inevitable result of the marriage of religion and consumerism –when customers can shop for a new minister, ministers pander to the lowest-common-denominator. They distort the Bible to make it palatable to their customers. They strip out the parts that make them uncomfortable. Not a huge fan of the Catholic Church, but its centralized structure seems to help protect against these travesties of Christianity.
I fear the same thing will happen to our schools with vouchers: they’ll have to pander to their customers instead of teaching what needs to be taught to create the well-informed citizens that our democratic nation requires (not that they’re using their power to teach all that needs to be taught now).
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Ponderosa, I’m not Roman Catholic, but I am Greek Orthodox, and what I hear from our Orthodox priest is not “I’m saved. Abortion and gays are evil. Muslims are demons.”
Instead, we hear a whole lot about “the Good Samaritan.” Also, “Do unto others as you would be done by.” “Whatsoever you do to the least of these, My brethren, you do unto Me.” “Love one another as I have loved you.” Also the Sermon on the Mount. And Faith, Hope, Charity, etc.
Maybe it’s just my priest, but I’ve heard other Eastern Orthodox priests preaching much the same things.
To me, these are the essence of Christianity.
But then, Eastern Orthodoxy is pretty centralized, too. We don’t have a Pope, but each denomination of Orthodoxy (Greek, Russian, Antiochian, Serbian, Bulgarian, and a whole lot more) has their own Patriarch or Archbishop. (Although we all consider ourselves Orthodox, and have total fluidity between congregations, and intercommunion. To us “A bishop is a bishop is a bishop.”)
Ah, well, enough theology.
I, too, am worried about what will happen in the schools with more and more vouchers, more and more charters that are not accountable to the public. And a lot of the “customers” (or at least those who fund and profit from charters and private schools, because they mostly don’t consider the kids and their parents the “customers” ) may well not want what is best for the students, or society as a whole, but what will make them money, and what will produce the “best” unquestioning workers, voters, even believers in certain faiths, science-deniers, and so on.
I worry about our children, our future, our country. 😪
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Zorba, I agree that the Orthodox Church is similar to the Catholic Church in this regard. There’s something to be said for giving the well-educated folks a higher degree of authority. Richard Hofstadter’s “Anti-Intellectualism in American Life” is the true source of my comment. He writes about how American Christians venturing on to the frontier became untethered from the seminary-trained theologians of the East Coast and morphed the religion into something crude.
I was recently in Greece, where I read Zorba the Greek for the first time. I was surprised how irreverent it is. It occurred to me that the Orthodox Church must not be happy that Crete named its airport after Nikos Kazantzakis. I’d be curious to know what you make of this. I imagine there are liberal and conservative factions within the church, just as there are in the Catholic Church.
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Yes, ponderosa, there are liberal and conservative factions within Orthdoxy, as there are in most churches. It’s really not totally monolithic, although it appears so to outsiders. The bishops hold the power, and they install (and can remove) the various Primates of the various denominations of Orthodoxy. And the various Primates don’t always agree with each other. Even the Ecumenical Patriarch is only Primus Inter Pares (first among equals) and holds no Pope-like power.
I imagine that many Greek priests and bishops were not happy about the airport in Crete being named after Kazantzakis. OTOH, neither the Archbishop of Athens (head of the Church in most of Greece) or the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople (head of the Church in Crete) call me or anything, so who knows? 😉
More than Zorba the Greek, his Last Temptation of Christ really ticked off the hierarchy. If you haven’t read it yet, you should.
When Kazantzakis died, the Church would not allow him to be buried in a cemetery. So he is buried on the wall surrounding the city of his birth, Heraklion, Crete.
On his epitaph is written: “I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free.” (Δεν ελπίζω τίποτα. Δε φοβούμαι τίποτα. Είμαι λέφτερος.)
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Dang! What church did you go to? Somehow I missed the lectures on the seven deadly sins and the seven virtues. Reminds me of why I am super glad our founding fathers tried to create a secular state.
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Video of Trump explaining his theory that he has superior genes…Donald Trump: Eugenics?
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has offered a litany of racist comments, which it turns out may be rooted in his deeper belief in the inherent superiority of some people ― and not others.
The Frontline documentary “The Choice,” which premiered this week on PBS, reveals that Trump agrees with the dangerous and abusive theory of eugenics.
Trump’s father instilled in him the idea that their family’s success was genetic, according to Trump biographer Michael D’Antonio.
“The family subscribes to a racehorse theory of human development,” D’Antonio says in the documentary. “They believe that there are superior people and that if you put together the genes of a superior woman and a superior man, you get a superior offspring.”
The Huffington Post dug back through the archives and found numerous examples of Trump suggesting that intellect and success are purely genetic qualities and that having “the right genes” gave him his “very good brain.”
Video produced by J.M. Rieger.
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This may explain why Trump is choosing billionaires to his cabinet. They are exceptional people and he wants the best. (Not my words on the subject.)
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Well, of course. But I speculate it’s far worse than that. I think it’s probably true that he reads Hitler, intentionally and fully knowingly issues his dog whistles, believes in physical beauty and appearances in general, believes he has a Midas touch and all things associated with him are in fact beautiful or maximally lifted in some way. A narcissist continually copulating with himself: his work ethic is beyond joy — it’s love. Think Arnold Schwarzenegger’s description of pumping iron in ‘Pumping Iron’.
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Carolmalaysia, this is actually very frightening. This person was born on third base and believes that he hit a triple. His companies have gone into bankruptcy four times, he has cheated his contractors, workers, and investors over and over again. He has lied over and over again.
But he thinks he has “the best genes”?
I despair. He is the president-elect, and we are stuck with this potentially very dangerous narcissistic sociopath for four years. 😩
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Vladimir Putin isn’t a Communist anymore. He is now selling himself as the world’s leading conservative and is pushing family values and an anti-gay agenda to appeal to the conservative Christians in America.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/02/putins-masterplan/
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Vlad is whatever he thinks will bring him more power, not just in Russia, but world-wide.
When the Soviet Union still existed, he was a good Soviet Communist KGB guy. Which would have included atheism.
Now, he’s a good “conservative Christian.” (Although, having said that, I will also say that there are a lot of Russian Orthodox and other Christians there that are just as disapproving of homosexuality as our own fundamentalist Protestants are, so Vlad is playing to them, as well.)
I really don’t think that either Vladimir Putin or Donald Trump believe in anything except power and wealth and their own egos.
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Conservative Christians have carved the heart out of what Jesus said about taking care of the needy, and have been falsely preaching that capitalism is a Godly process since the 1950s when included “One Nation Under God” in the pledge of alligence and started printing “In God We Trust” on every dollar bill. Have you noticed how “In God We Trust” is now printed on our courthouses and law enforcement vehicles across the nation? The end goal of the conservatives is to turn America into a theology, not a nation of Christians, but a Christian nation.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?324708-5/one-nation-god
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Interesting comment.
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Remember Mark Sanford, former governor of South Carolina that disappeared for a few days hiking the Appalachian Trail, when he was really in Argentina with his mistress, the one that refused to resign because King David got away with that kind of stuff too? The reason he thinks like that is because he belongs to a right-wing religious organization called “The Family” that was exposed by Jeff Sharlet who was once a member himself.
Sharlet explains how the group was formed in 1934 when its founder had a vision that God got it wrong about helping the poor and was told that we should help the rich instead. He and his big business buddies saw Franklin Roosevelt’s regulatory state and social programs as the return of Paganism and felt that big government interfered with God’s process of capitalism.
During the Red Scare of the 1950s they equated Communism with government itself, declaring it an enemy within. They started trying to undermine the government religiously by sponsoring ministers, like Billy Graham, who preached that government is bad, that people are just too sinful to govern themselves, that it has always turned out bad when we tried, that it would be better if we were to trust in God, and be “one nation under God.”
So these big businessmen began sponsoring the National Prayer Breakfast and lobbied politicians like President Eisenhower to put these phrases in our pledge and on our dollar bills, all in an effort to turn America into a corporately sponsored theocracy where the people are easily manipulated and shaped to conform.
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Trump lives to be worshiped. Ugh. I guess he is so smart that he doesn’t need to spend time learning the fine points of what being President entails.
Here is a snippet from today’s New York Times about how Trump is spending his time:
“Mr. Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence are scheduled to travel to West Allis, Wisc., in the Milwaukee suburbs, Tuesday evening for the latest stop on the president-elect’s “thank you” tour.”
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Headline from the Washington Post: Ayn Rand-acolyte Donald Trump stacks his cabinet with fellow objectivists BY JAMES HOHMANN
Ayn Rand was perhaps the leading literary voice in 20th century America for the notion that, in society, there are makers and takers, and that the takers are parasitic moochers who get in the way of the morally-superior innovators. Her books portray the federal government as an evil force, trying to stop hard-working men from accumulating the wealth that she believes they deserve. …
THE BIG IDEA: Donald Trump has decided to risk a confirmation fight, officially nominating ExxonMobil chief executive Rex Tillerson to be secretary of state this morning. Tillerson and Trump had no previous relationship, but the Texas oilman and the New York developer hit it off when they met face to face. One of the things that they have in common is their shared affection for the works of Ayn Rand, the libertarian heroine who celebrated laissez-faire capitalism.
The president-elect said this spring that he’s a fan of Rand and identifies with Howard Roark, the main character in “The Fountainhead.”
Tillerson prefers “Atlas Shrugged,” Rand’s novel about John Galt secretly organizing a strike of the creative class to hasten the collapse of the bureaucratic society. The CEO listed it as his favorite book in a 2008 feature for Scouting Magazine, according to biographer Steve Coll.
— This has now officially become a trend. Trump is turning not just to billionaires but Randians to fill the cabinet:
Andy Puzder, tapped by Trump last week to be secretary of labor, is an avid and outspoken fan of Rand’s books. One profiler last week asked what he does in his free time, and a friend replied that he reads Ayn Rand. …
Mike Pompeo, who will have the now-very-difficult job of directing the Central Intelligence Agency for Trump, has often said that Rand’s works inspired him. “One of the very first serious books I read when I was growing up was Atlas Shrugged, and it really had an impact on me,” the Kansas congressman told Human Events in 2011.
— Trump has been huddling with and consulting several other Rand followers for advice as he fills out his cabinet. John A. Allison IV, for example, met with Trump for about 90 minutes the week before last. “As chief executive of BB&T Corp., he distributed copies of ‘Atlas Shrugged’ to senior officers and influenced BB&T’s charitable arm to fund classes about the moral foundations of capitalism at a number of colleges,” the Journal noted in a piece about him. “Mr. Allison’s worldview was shaped when he was a college student at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill and stumbled across a collection of essays by Ms. Rand.”
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Trump believes that wealthy people have superior genes and now we know that there are parasitic moochers and the morally superior innovators.
I wonder how long it will take before his ‘worshiping loyalists’ discover that they’ve been handed an empty cup? Unbelievable.
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Carol Malaysia,
It is impossible that Trump is a follower of Ayn Rand but he is famous for never reading books. Maybe he read Ayn Rand in college, the last book he ever read and sees himself as the individual who will save us all. He is the one, the only one.
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Carolmalaysia: Nice post. I get literally sick every time I hear or read her name (“Rand.” Then I vomit.)
Now, I guess, where Donald WAS NOT an ideologue, now he is becoming one? The answer to the question: Why was/is Rand so popular? I think can be answered briefly:
She wrote about, and made into a quasi-theory of human nature, what is worst about that nature. It’s the derailment of normative developmental patterns and the resultant stunting of human nature, raised to the level of a quasi-theory of normative humanity; and then accepted and made into an ideology by her followers.
And so–guess what–it “matches” Trump’s already-formed personality to a “T.”
Ayn Rand is a recurring pox on both theory as such and on how we develop real-politic, e.g., through the narcissistic, arrogant, bully personality of a Donald Trump who, from his Randian view, thinks it’s okay FOR HIM to grab women’s crotches, to collaborate with long-held enemies of America (for money, of course), and encroach on the U.S. Constitution. What a man. Rand would love him.
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Addendum: The further problem is that, for someone like Trump, Rand gives his psychological disturbances even more credence via her long-acceptance by similarly stupid people, and because she is published and, again, has a relatively cohesive following. She makes arrogance into the highest virtue.
There are lots of better writers and books out there. But alas, they speak to what is better/best about us. Jesus, Plato, Aristotle, Ghandi, MLK, come to mind. What ab out “Portraits in Courage”? But there’s lots more of course. Maybe someone should tell them that. (Ha!)
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