Historian and teacher John Thompson reminds us of why unions are necessary: to protect workers against predatory, greedy, heedless bosses.
He tells about the jobs where workers risk their lives and where more would die without the protections that unions insist upon.
He chides the so-called “reformers” who pal around with anti-union goons like Scott Walker and John Kasich and who help them bust unions.
He reminds us that neither Arne Duncan nor Barack Obama lifted a finger to help the unions in Wisconsin when Scott Walker began attacking them.
In union there is strength. That was why it is so sad that Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, i.e. Scott Walker lite, and the Obama administration help pave the way for his union-bashing and did little to help working people in the Wisconsin recall campaigns.
That is also why Walker pretended to not be an existential threat to private sector unions and claimed that his fight to the death with public sector unions did not foreshadow an all-out assault on public and higher education. Only after he had picked off one opponent after another did Walker cut education spending by $2 billion and ram through Right to Work. When pushing a $300 million cut to higher education, he promised universities freedom from “shared governance,” which “kept the university from directly running things” and told professors to work harder.
Unions have always been some of the most loyal members of the civil rights coalition, as well as crusaders for economic justice. And, we have usually had the same opponents. As Kaufman recalls, a founder of the Right to Work movement, Vance Muse, explained the need for its banning of otherwise legal, negotiated agreements, “White women and white men will be forced into organizations with black African apes, whom they will have to call ‘brother’ or lose their jobs.”
Kaufman also notes that roads in the Right to Work state of Texas don’t cost half as much to build, even though workers get paid that much less. “So,” as a union leader says, “it is only a question of who makes the money — the workers or the owners.”
It is one thing for a right-winger to oppose the rights of working people, but there is no intellectually honest way for a liberal to be an ally of Right to Work and to still pose as pro-civil rights. On the other hand, the neo-liberal corporate reformers who opened the door for Walker are nothing if they aren’t inconsistent. They will say anything, do almost anything, and ally themselves with virtually any true believer in uncontrolled competition to clear the way for top-down, market-driven school reforms.
Sadly, one reason why elite education reformers don’t understand the essential role of labor in working for justice is that too many of them have no experience in the blue collar working world. If the rank-in-file of the corporate reform movement had more experience in the industrial world, they would have seen how little the lives of workers are worth. Kaufman explains, for instance, that the fatality rate for construction workers is 40% higher in Right to Work states.
Virtually every remnant of the social safety net is now at risk. Middle and working class families are just one medical crisis away from poverty. Now more than ever, test-driven, competition-driven reformers should reconsider their neo-liberalism and rethink their contempt for organized labor. They should face up to the single biggest question. Even if they can’t get over their distaste for teachers and unions, and even if they don’t have any personal contact with blue collar workers, how can they continue to sow discord among the ranks of progressives? If they help destroy organized labor, who will replace us in the fight for civil rights and economic justice?
Recently an old friend who has long been active in Democratic party politics asked me why everyone he knew in the business world hates unions, especially the teachers unions. I said business hated unions in the 1930s. The same people hate them now. The only difference is now they have the tacit support of the Obama administration. I sent him a copy today of John Thompson’s post.

It’s laughable how Obama is “supporting” unions of late. His policies in education abetted the weakening of teacher unions and the lightening fast resegregation of schools. So ironic from the first black president.
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His actions speak so much louder than any feeble attempt to back track. His administration has done more than any other to attack the teaching profession, even as he smiles for the cameras and signs the “Lilly Ledbetter” fair pay act.
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Obama lost my support when he appointed Arne to be Secretary of Ed – and I was absolutely stunned to see the Senate approve this goof! I thought SURELY the Senate would ask him the tough questions, and when he just stared back at them blankly, they would reject his nomination – but I was wrong, because I naively thought the Senators cared about public education, but they are just as bought and paid for as any other political animals in this country.
Unless Sanders is the Dem nominee, I will be voting Green Party in 2016.
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Same here.
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Drspektor,
Arne specializes in that blank look. Like a deer caught in the headlights.
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Backbones are in short supply at the Democrat Store. However, they are running an everyday low price special on corporate puppets and winter turncoats.
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I think it was on “Education Nation” (I could be misremembering that part), when he openly said that collective bargaining is a “problem”, especially in the public sector. With that attitude about collective bargaining, I don’t see where he has any ground to say he supports unions. Without collective bargaining, what’s left?
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As I’ve stated before President Obama has proven to be amazingly duplicitous. He has(is) been a puppet of the billionaire-boys-club and banksters. How many bankers have been indicted for the massive damage done to the world economy and destruction of the middle class/retiree pensions? Bankers were bailed out while the average citizen was left to fend for themselves. Even under Bush II top executives were jailed for Enron scandals etc. which were a drop in the bucket compared to the “great recession”.
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Dienne,
(and Diane. . .and anyone else)—I’m not asking this as a troll, (or a racist or in a condescending manner. . .I was taught to think in college and so I like to look at things from all sides).
I noticed the bit about unions being hated since the 1930s, just because. . .(a certain gestalt of our society doesn’t like collective bargaining), but I also want to know have unions done anything in the last twenty-five years to provoke more rancor against them? Have there been times when they should have given a little more or been more flexible? Or is it just the “haters gotta hate” type thing (because the notion of collective bargaining is disruptive to certain ways of thinking and those who think that way only want to disrupt but not be disrupted). If it’s really that simple, why do I find so many people (in the south, particularly) who fancy themselves progressives but don’t like unions OR who do like them but won’t see that recently, for teachers and in education, the unions have hurt more than helped.
Should teachers have aligned themselves with the labor movement back when they did (and yes, I’ve read the Teacher Wars)?
What’s the answer? Union reform? Could we have had union reform without “disrupting” public schools to the extent that we have. I have, from day one of finding this blog, had trouble separating out what is union issue and what is education issue (particularly in a right to work state).
Please do not mock me. I am a preacher’s daughter whose family has been in the south since the 18th century. I have democrats in my family who don’t see how Obama has hurt education. . .and that frustrates me (so I’m come here looking for answers). But yet, I also find very few “progressives” in the south are quick to stand up for unions.
Suggested reading?
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Involved Mom,
Unions are uppity. They make demands on the owners. They say that people shouldn’t work more than 8 hours a day. They demand that workers are paid minimum wage. They demand safe working conditions. The teachers unions want limits on class sizes. They go to the legislature and demand more funding for the schools. They demand salaries that let teachers have a middle class standard of living. Can you imagine how that enrages the owners?
In the South, the plantation owners got everyone else to fight for their right to own slaves. Poor whites who never owned a slave died gmfor the plantation owners.
Think about it.
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*Unions are uppity. They make demands on the owners. * Reasonable demands are no problem. The problem arises when a governor cuts funding for education by 10% – and the very next day unions demand an 8% pay raise. That is an unreasonable demand.
*They say that people shouldn’t work more than 8 hours a day. They demand that workers are paid minimum wage. They demand safe working conditions.* Reasonable demands are no problem. But when the city of Detroit was on the verge of bankruptcy an the unions were asked to help with rearranging pensions, the union said no. And the results are obvious.
*The teachers unions want limits on class sizes.* You are aware, are you not, that there is no research in support of the idea that smaller class sizes result in better students, right?
*They go to the legislature and demand more funding for the schools. They demand salaries that let teachers have a middle class standard of living.* Statistics are fun. Pay teachers in Mississippi the same salary you pay teachers in New York City or Los Angeles or Chicago. You realize that the cost of living in those three cities is much higher than in Mississippi, or Arkansa… or name any other state in the Union.
Where I work, teacher’s salaries have almost doubled over the past 20 years. interestingly enough, the salaries of all the support staff has not increased near as much. You realize that without the support staff, teachers are pretty much dead in the water, right?
I worked with a USAFE squadron. Thirty pilots, with about 1,500 support staff. Without that support staff, the pilots are in possession of a multi-million dollar piece of boat anchor. Teachers are the same way. No support staff, little teaching time (In the current educational environment) And I know: I AM part of that support staff!
Reasonableness is needed on both sides of the equation. Yes, Owners can be blind for needs of workers – sometimes. But unions can be as blind.
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Rudy,
Class size is one of the issues in education that has been thoroughly researched. The benefits of smaller classes for the neediest children are indisputable.
Do you think that a child who doesn’t know how to read will flourish in a third grade class of 35?
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I did, and so did the majority of class mates. The fact that I made the choice to drop put of high school when I was 14 has nothing to do with the size of the classes. I went back to school, but with much greater difficulty, because I had to complete my education at night,
Again, the research is inconclusive. At least according to reports on NPR, and the research I have read.
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Rudy, the research is not inconclusive. It is the best body of research in education. Read the chapter on class size in my book “Reign of Error.” The citations to research are there.
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I guess you need to correct NPR, too…
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My superintendent told me once that people pick and choose the research that makes their point. Since I have no dog in this fight, the research I read is a bit more across the board than someone who has a point to support.
Case in point: The effects of technology in education. Vendors (used to) say that achievement would go up by leaps and bounds… They even support a website that used to support that. Now, however, when over 7 BILLION has been spent, they changed “achievement” to “engagement.” Independent research made it clear that the influence of technology on achievement is almost negligible.
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Are you actually offering evidence to someone who possibly listens only to the voice in his own head?
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It is amazing how lazy people indeed can be… TEN seconds…
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/education/does-class-size-matter-research-reveals-surprises/
Maybe this article will help you understand a little more than you currently seem to do about class sizes and their impact.
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Find something else to do with your day. YOU have no idea what I know after 40 years of teaching and possessing three graduate degrees. You have been writing here for a very short time, and those of us who read what you say, have a very good idea of what you know, or rather what you do not grasp. I will never answer you again. I have nothing to prove.
You are on the wrong blog for what you are pushing.
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What I have learned:
This site seems to be only for those who agree with what is published.
If you have a different point of view, based on experience and research, you get ridiculed.
If you disagree, you are considered a troll, and are not worthy of responses
O well, our District themes “Life long learners.” I guess I learned something.
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Rudy Schellekens. Your name does not come up as a teacher in any county in NYS.
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Interesting. I guess a new thing learned: You have to be from New York to respond?
I could have saved you the trouble: All you had to do was ask??
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I’ve asked several times. Diane Ravitch asked you at least once. Still awaiting a response to the question asked since you said all I had to do was ask. You said you are in support staff. What does that mean? Again where? (as per your statement that all I had to do was ask.)
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No one has asked me to state where I live and what I do for a living. And I did not see that question posed to anyone else.
Feel free to send the request to my personal email, and you can than verify for this list that, yes, he does work for a large school district, hes he does work as support staff and all that jazz…
schellekensr@gmail.com
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What county/town do you work in? Your name does not appear in any teacher database in NYS.
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Again, what county/town do you teach?
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But you are making a bad connection. If a child has difficulty with reading, the class size does not matter! The only way to solve that is to have reading interventionists on staff who will spend enough time with that student.
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Of course class size matters.
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I went through grade school (Where class size seems to have more impact) in a class of 36 – all six years – after all, we all started at the same time.
Yes, I quit (Again, personal decision, nothing to to with teachers!) when I was 14 (Dispensation from the mayor was needed). When I started night school, groups were smaller – but learning was very different, so I cannot compare it with a normal high school experience. I was the youngest – at 18).
My siblings – same sizes. And in HS, too. By the time they graduated HS, they spoke three foreign languages, had good knowledge of history, geography, math, science etc.
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I grasp that personal experience is at the core of our opinions. I am a big believer, however, in observable reality, and Leonie Haimison’s EVIDENCE which provides a larger sample then the BIG “I”.
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Dr. Ravitch, thank you.
So would you assume a reluctance to align with collective bargaining comes more from a deeply engrained habit and/or notion of “the polite south” or from a need to feel aligned with money and those who have it.
Interesting that in Asheville we still have the influence of the Vanderbilt family, in that the sons inherited the Biltmore and also the land. One developed the land, one owns the Biltmore, which has a hotel. Asheville is becoming a popular tourist destination and I have been reading about some of the conservative state representation (one in particular an ALEC member) who seems to negotiate primarily with the Vanderbilt heir for an occupancy tax that doesn’t benefit the citizens here, but rather the hoteliers. I am reading A TEAM OF RIVALS right now, and it is fascinating how much things have not changed, but yet have, since the 1860s and then also since the 1930s (and the years in between, which is when the Vanderbilt fortune came to western NC).
From the education standpoint, I don’t understand why folks would rather be aligned with money ostensibly or favor the “polite mindset” when it is costing us our schools. When I express that bewilderment I often get told I’m cooky. OK. I guess I’m cooky.
In defense of NEA (even though I have rolled my eyes at the CCSS propaganda many times in the last few years), they have (NCAE) worked hard at the grassroots level to try and defend our schools. I try to think of the individuals I know rather than the notion of the “union” when I pass my personal judgement on their efforts.
The south is an interesting place to be and live and have grown up (particularly having lived seven years in the midwest as a young teacher). I just hope we can save our schools from the privatizing efforts.
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Involved Mom,
I grew up in Houston, which at that time was part of the segregated South. Many relatives lived in Alabama and Georgia. The South has a certain kind of good manners and gentility that is hard to find in the North. I lived in Augusta for a year, when my husband was at Fort Gordon, and I recall when my husband and I got a flat tire on the highway, no one passed us by. Every single car stopped and offered help.
The flip side is that Southerners have long been deferential to those in power. How else to explain the election of people who promise to cut every public service, close charity hospitals, get rid of mental health facilities, cut the budget for schools and universities, etc. Who convinces poor people and working people to vote for those who promise to take away basic services for those who need them? It helps to have an enemy, a scapegoat. It is an old tradition in the South.
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So our latest troll dropped out of high school. Guess that explains his hatred for those lazy teachers and their entrenched union – it was, clearly, all their fault.
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interesting comment. I guess you did not reach the rest of the story… I repented of my sin of dropping out, and went back to night school. After that, I finished a four year college degree in 22 months (Rather than the modern 5 years). Over the last 40 years, I have continued my education on Master’s level…
But that’s okay. As an immigrant to this country it is always amazing to learn how some use these sites for personal attacks, rather than dealing with the actual issue at hand.
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i also noticed how you read what suits your fancy. The fact that I took full responsibility for my decision seemed to have escaped your attention. You also seem to overlook the fact that I have issues with unions in general. Since I work in the educational environment, (Thankful that this IS a state where I do not have to belong to a union – another interesting aspect of unions. What happened to free choice?), I am most aware of how the union works in this environment. I speak out of personal experience, and not what I grab from headlines here or there, or TV stations, or Radio stations. BTW – my radios are ALL tuned to NPR, and I would not know where to find Rush Limbaugh on the dial…Last i heard, NPR was not really a bastion of Right wing fanatics.
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Dr. Ravitch:
(and Dienne you always make me smile; I respect directness). Per the south and its manners and deference to those in power: in what way, other than our current General Assembly, does that impact the future of public schools (if you had a crystal ball. . .); ha, I used to try the looking backwards game in understanding, now I guess I’m trying the looking forward game. Some would argue that the deference to power has just been flipped on its head (Democrats were in power, and so we were deferential to them and the ideas they espoused). I understand that our schools have been secular from the start, but I also know that historically most people who put their efforts into leadership in our state (NC) were protestant church-goers whose faith led them to do so.
It isn’t hard to find the middle ground or at least a point of reference when ideologies direct decisions in this state (such as the belief that a church school could do a better job than a public school, hence vouchers. . ..on the surface, I get where they are coming from, even though I don’t agree with it). To that I would offer up: well, yeah. . .maybe. But the structure of our separation of church and state is what allows for strong churches that even could consider offering a school to emerge in the first place. If we begin blending those lines, both entities will suffer. I would say that to any politician who wanted to listen—-they can’t go Bible on me because I can go Bible right back on them easily—-and I believe in separation of church and state and strong public schools. But the collective bargaining aspect is not an easy one to answer (and it’s really a non-issue in NC because we don’t have it. . .but we have a lot of copycat politicians taking cues from policy made in states that are destroying public schools as a union-busting tactic; all the more reason to not have our leadership heavily involved with ALEC, which they are). I suspect the deference to power is the most logical explanation, and that power seems to come from who has the most money. Now, what to do with that. Is that an example of “always being drawn to the richest person in the room” type thing? How can that mindset be changed or impacted?
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Involved Mom,
I can’t answer all your questions, but I can add my own. Why do so many people genuflect to the richest person in town? Why does anyone care what Bill Gates says about how to educate children? Why does anyone bow to Eli Broad or the Waltons?
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Re: “Bowing to Gates”. He’s got a great PR machine that disguises him as a noble philanthropist, which is particularly puzzling since neither he nor, his villainthropic partner, Buffett, can manage to get off the richest men lists. Of course, when your company schemes with Pearson, to hawk Common Core curriculum, it may well be difficult to impoverish oneself, with “good deeds”.
Also puzzling, is why the American education system was handed over to a man, whose company’s places, in terms of American employment, at the questionable position of fewer than 1/2 the number of U.S. workers, as the 50th largest company (with the company’s American employment in decline).
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The Lewis Powell Manifesto explains, in part, the rabid devotion of some, to the ever growing concentration of wealth.
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“Born in the Headlights”
Arne was born in the headlights
And thinks that they are dandy
It’s hard to see on dark nights
So headlights come in handy
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Involved Mom,
What is happening in Asheville is happening in all affluent areas around the country. Hotel Union Bosses in some cases are working with Neo Libs and in stride with developers to build more hotels in areas were workers do not live so developers can get concessions on zoning by using inclusionary housing as a tool to do it. At the same time, local low income low income people of color are being pushed out by that development. It’s called social engineering and it is all part of the New Order. Just look at these segregation maps http://www.wired.com/2013/08/how-segregated-is-your-city-this-eye-opening-map-shows-you/
In the movement to instill Common Core and invoke Charter Schools is the movement to segregate with the False FRONT of the Feds Cradle to Career program. Its not about improving anyone’s anything. That is a deal for data collection and sales to create the New World Order. That c2c data targets and profiles.
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“Comfy Walking Shoes”
One step forward, two steps back
In comfy walking shoes
Union marchers leaders lack
When labor sings the blues
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Unions have a staunch ally in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, and this doctrine can become far more influential if during his visit here Pope Francis speaks out and advocates for a wider awareness of the churches longstanding positions on workers rights. Reach out to them all and ask for their help in our fight. http://www.catholicscholarsforworkerjustice.org
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Pope Francis confronts the pseudo-religion of “free markets”. The faux Christians like Kasich and Walker have caused pain and despair. You cannot hurt and hate people as they do, and claim to follow Christ.
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Walker is either truly evil or truly as stupid as I think he is, I cannot tell which. The only thing I see with certainty about him is that his Presidential aspirations are evaporating more quickly than a spilled glass of water in the Sahara – and THAT gives all of us a little hope, to see that even the koch billions cannot save this goober from his own inanities.
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I agree that neither the President nor his despicable Sec. of Education have done anything to help unions, but I don’t know why anyone thinks they would. The teachers’ unions give automatic support to Democrats, so Democrats will spend ZERO political capital on an already sure thing. The same principle applies to immigration, which the President did NOTHING about when he had control of Congress, and the plight of the urban poor.
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Perhaps there is something to be said for someone who would sell his own mother.
But only if there was something to get in return.
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I think a much worse betrayal is Obama’s trade deal. Admittedly Democrats lie about trade as much as they lie about public education, but I listened to his campaign in Ohio and what they told rank and file labor union members and- wow- that was flat-out dishonest.
That trade deal has absolutely nothing to do with “American jobs”. It may be beneficial to ordinary people in some attenuated, “in 25 years” way if ordinary people somehow get some trickle-down share of the profits but selling it as “American jobs”? Shameful. Obama, Clinton and Kerry should all be embarrassed- maybe Kerry worst of all because he sold it as “600,000 jobs”- a specific number. That’s just invented.
I don’t know why free traders always feel they have to mislead people. They all want the deal in DC, we’re getting the deal whether we like it or not, they may as well just tell the truth.
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As Bernie Sanders was out walking the picket line this week with workers at the Penford Processing Plant in Iowa, I wondered whether Hillary was ready to hit the picket lines with teachers in Seattle. AFT was so quick to support her. Will she now reciprocate for teachers? #notholdingmybreath
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Clinton supporters will tell you that the Secret Service would not Hilary to walk the picket line, otherwise she would certainly be out there.
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I just can’t stand the once a year appearances from Democrats when the other 364 days of the year they act like they’re embarrassed to support labor.
“The warm reception for Biden’s remarks showed the popularity of an economic message among blue collar Democrats based on the idea that the working and middle classes have been left behind an economy tilted toward the most well off.”
Other than conducting White House councils on job training, can anyone show me one thing Joe Biden has done for those people? I mean I guess you can point to the stimulus, but any US President would have pumped money into a once a generation crash- they sure as heck weren’t going to let financial markets go down in flames.
What does it even mean when they say “we support collective bargaining”? They support current US law? How long was he in the Senate? Does’t he have to do better than “I won’t actively oppose current US labor law?”
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/07/politics/joe-biden-2016-labor-day/
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Unions have done good things. But they are also doing not so good things. Insisting on pay hikes when there is no money. Letting a company go bankrupt rather than being reasonable in demands. Asking for an 8% pay increase when 22% on funding is cut.
Demanding unreasonable pensions without making personal preparations. Small towns whose budgets no longer can afford the ridiculously high pensions for retirees because the number of retirees is higher than the number of people working.
Not recognizing the reality: unions wanting higher wages has an immediate impact on all other workers also needing higher wages. When McDonald’s has to start paying $15 an hour my hamburgers will get more expensive so now my wages have to go up.
I pay that amount for computer technicians who need to be a whole lot more qualified than someone who works for fast food places.
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A while back, Reuters reported a startling $31 TRILLION of wealth is hidden in tax havens and off shore accounts. The money is there for a strong middle class. It existed once before with income equality, it can exist again. Do not fall victim to Stockholm Syndrome. Corporate profits are at all time highs. The 1%ers are doing extremely well. It is no accident that the correlation between declining union membership and eroding middle class earnings is statistically off the chart.
Unions speak for true working Americans who labor for their families. Not for people who sit on their tail in a boardroom or play with other people’s money. Democracy and a strong middle class are not natural states. They take conscious effort, government support, and the acceptance of human rights and dignity. Before you condemn unions, read human history for what civilizations are like without them.
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Being a true working American, at less than average income, I do not believe in unions. My biggest reason? Hearing a union member say that “I don’t care if this company goes bankrupt. I have my rights.” After the company did go bankrupt, he had no job.
I have seen the same thing happening when I was a true Dutchman, living and working in the Netherlands.
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Most American companies went bankrupt because of their inept management and the golden parachutes those managers received. Paying their workers fair wages instead of trying to get the cheapest labor possible while paying executives far too much money is why those companies went bankrupt. That is why so many non-union companies went bankrupt as well.
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Thanks for the commenters’ efforts, in dispelling the misconceptions of Schellekens.
Apparently one guy said one thing to him, once, and it confirmed what he wanted to hear so, his anti-union defense is based on quoting him.
Schellekens will defend NFL owners’ monopolistic rights to profits when, the public assumes the risk of building the teams’ stadiums. And, at the same time, he’ll disparage players for negotiating high salaries, which could “bankrupt the team”.
Reasoning beyond ideology is required, for people to make coherent arguments.
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It is amazing. Of course, some people would never have any exercise if it was not for their habit of jumping to conclusions. I have seen in my life time several companies bankrupted because unions would not take one single step back in their demands. Unions who forced the government to fork over millions upon millions – because “investments would save the company…” but were unwilling to invest some of their own funds (Would rather invest in South Africa than at home). Within a year and 230 MILLION of government funding later, the curtain closed. So, Linda, I have it on more than the words of one person.
And you are right! They should not invest public money in football stadiums. It’s a business, they make plenty of money, so why ask for full public payment? I have some (misguided) friends who are Cardinal baseball fans. When they take their kids for ONE game, they are out almost 400 $ by the time they leave. First, they have to pay from their taxes to have the stadium built, and then such exorbitant expenses! Robbery both ways.
Now, the Cubs on the other hand…
I have been involved with educational institutions since my children started in kindergarten at age 4. Served on the PTO for all the years they were in grade school. So I have a long (and international) experience with educational systems. I have seen the good – and the bad – in both systems. Why is it so difficult for people on this list to admit that indeed, there ARE bad teachers, just like there are bad mechanics, and accountants, and lawyers, and dentists, and doctors.
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Costs of production do not set the price of a product. Demand sets the price. Since meritocracy is a fundamental American principle, players, who bring more to the table, in terms of talents than owners do and, who assume more risk, should receive a greater share of the proceeds from the franchise, which operates as a monopoly.
I assume the owners, some of whom inherited their wealth, would claim if a ticket purchaser has difficulty paying the price, it’s because he isn’t entrepreneurial enough or doesn’t work hard enough.
But, make no mistake, if players were paid less, the ticket price would be the same.
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Have you ever considered the fact that unions have access to the companies’ profit information before they bargain? Companies have to make regular filings with the government, which information is publicly available. And, of course, public sector unions have access to publicly available budgets. The union knows exactly what money is available before they sit down to negotiate. The “oh, poor me, we’re going to go bankrupt” is a diversion tactic by the company – I’m sorry that you, as a “true working American” have fallen for that. In any case, the CEOs of those companies you feel so sorry for would be the first to tell you that self interest is good, so why do you feel bad about pursuing your own?
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It is interesting that people who disagree with the party line will get attacked and ridiculed.
Ask the employees of the RDM what they have done to their jobs. O wait, you can’t, because the company no longer exists when unions failed to cooperate to keep the company open. That company expected the government put up millions upon millions – but no union offered to use some of their monies to invest.
It is also interesting to hear union members complain about the pay for executives. Have you checked your union leader pay checks lately??
I have no issue with people who start companies, put hundreds, thousands of hours into that effort without a regular paycheck. When their efforts pay off, and hundreds of people have jobs because that ONE person made the time and financial investments.
So what if Bill Gates is about the richest man in the world? He worked for it…
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Unions often cooperated and took pay and benefit cuts. You are just plain wrong, Rudy Schellekens.
The demise of unions came with the outrageous salary and benefit packages given to CEOs. Who, by the way did NOT “start the company” and work for years without pay building it.
It’s all of a game where the boards of corporations are made up of other well-compensated executives. And hey, if you don’t pay a CEO $20 million a year, he can’t run the company into the ground, right? We all know you can hire someone for $1 million who is just as likely to do a good job. Or just as likely to run the company into the ground like Carly Fiorina.
Most parents don’t begrudge our kids’ teachers a decent salary. Rudy, l can’t help wondering who YOU are. So many “reformers” haven’t stepped foot into a public school classroom – are you one of them?
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“Most parents don’t begrudge our kids’ teachers a decent salary. Rudy, l can’t help wondering who YOU are. So many “reformers” haven’t stepped foot into a public school classroom – are you one of them?”
I am no reformer. I work for a school district. Two other members of my family work for different school districts. The fourth member of my family is involved with where his kids go to school.
I do have a different outlook on both education as done in the U.S., and on unions – as they are done anywhere in the western world.
Having had the fortune to be educated both in the Netherlands and in the U.S., (Same for my kids), I do have a different outlook on education. If nothing else, educating teachers is taken a lot more serious. Not my conclusions, but much brighter minds than mine have done that research.
As far as the 70 MILLION spent in New York City, do some searching on the New York Times website, and you will find the information.
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I think it all depends on how your head is screwed on. I live in a Republican town in NJ, a blue state which occasionally tries out a red govr to see if it’s any better than Dem cronyism. Early in Christie’s 1st term, our BOE negotiated a 3% raise for district teachers, in the summer, behind closed doors. Barely a month later, Christie swiped back most of previously-committed state ed $ for our town.
Meanwhile no one in town from hi-paid to low had seen more than a 1% raise (if that) for years. Taxpayer outrage went on for a couple of yrs & the issue still gets brought up.
The outrage was directed primarily at our BOE, secondarily at Christie, There was never a single word said against the teachers’ union. We know and like our teachers. We see daily the inordinate amount of work they do for salaries that don’t allow them to live in our cushy town. Who could blame them for asking for more?
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I used to think (till 1997) that teachers had an easy job. All that time off, such short days.
But since I started to work within a school district, my respect for (the majority of) teachers has grown tremendously.I know their summers are (not always) nothing but leisure time. I know their day does not end when the last bell rings. And I think teachers (like all employees) need to see that rewarded partially in their pay check.
So argue on work load, rather than “I’ll be a better teacher when my pay gets better.”
I have had the opportunity to work with large groups of teachers in different circumstances, and see how the majority are truly dedicated to their job.
But i see the same kind of commitment in places where there are no unions involved. And I see the reasonable conversations between parties where both sides are willing to compromise.
In Illinois the battles are waged over the backs of the children. The last two years teachers decided to strike for higher pay. Of course, until 2015 they were served by Democratic governors who managed to hollow out school district funding beyond belief. Promises were given, commitments made. Districts started building projects – only to be told half-way through that oops, we are out of money. And yet, unions demand more pay. No suggestions about how to get that money (Other than, tax the rich, tax the rich).
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Rudy, I have never heard of a teacher who said “I will work harder if my paycheck gets larger.”
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I have never known a teacher to say they will be better if they got paid more. I HAVE heard teachers say they wish they got enough money so that they didn’t need to have food stamps. My family is so strapped that we may end using our own school’s food bank.
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Lowest salary for starting teachers where I work is between 34k and 37.5k. The average income in the county is about 43k. So teachers start pretty close to the average pay. If I can raise a family, buy a home (granted, 20 years ago) on 25k a year… Without making use free/reduced lunch etc. Of course, it was not until about 8 years later that I found out I qualified…
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“…Insisting on pay hikes when there is no money…” There in lies the fallacy. Of course there is money. Money is a social construct not a finite resource.
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A school is a closed financial system. It cannot turn out more educated kids like Chrysler can turn out more cars to increase profits. Districts have limited resources from where to raise funds. The Federal government, the State government and local property taxes. When any one of those cut funding, where can Districts go for more money? Raise property taxes? Do you have any idea how many states are reducing their educational budgets because other things (Like union brokered pensions) take more and more money each year?
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The average state public pension expense is 3% of state budgets, far less, than the amount allocated for corporate welfare (much of which has been found to be wasted). The primary beneficiaries of corporate welfare, appear to be, the state’s politicians’ campaigns. On the other hand, public pensioners tend to remain in the states in which they worked, buying goods and services and, through the economic multiplier effect, creating jobs. In addition, in many states, pensioners pay taxes. The NIRS quantifies pension economic benefits, for each state, at its website.
Should the Koch’s playbook for the elimination of public pensions be successful, Social Security will be next. The eliminations, when combined, will cause economic devastation to communities across the nation.
Since workers have been denied the gains of their productivity by the 0.2%, over the past 40 years, pensions and Social Security are, in truth, deferred compensation.
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Wonderful insight, Linda.
Love it!
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“Progressives” who support union busting are fakes who say the right things, gain a following and then never deliver the goods. It doesn’t take much effort to uncover a long history of such people in the unions and the Democratic party. You would probably call me paranoid if I called them double agents so I won’t, but the facts speak for themselves. Look up the bio of former Democrat Party elder statesman Averill Harriman for example, (of Brown Brothers Harriman) the wealthy son of railroad magnate E H Harriman. (That’s right Harriman Park is named after him) especially regarding Kennedy and Vietnam. Remember “actions speak louder than words” and remember “the divine right of kings”, which these financial giants seem to think of themselves. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104×2933358
How ’bout that brilliant progressive career Senator Rockefeller had as a Democrat! ha ha ha what a joke.
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What about unions like United Teachers Los Angeles or AFT that stand by while thousands of teachers at the top of the salary scale are forced into early retirement on bogus charges without even basic due process of law. I’m pro union, but not union leadership like AFT’s Randi Weingarten who is in bed with charter privatizers like Broad, Gates, and Walton. http://Www.perdaily.com.
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Or how about the SEVENTY MILLION that New York pays every year to teachers who cannot be fired, but should not be allowed in a class room either – for cause? Because of union rules.
Or bad teachers who are proven bad teachers, but rather than being fired, move through a school district for THIRTY years – into easy retirement. Actual cases!!!
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“Actual cases!!” “Proven bad teachers”! Right — if they were “proven” to be bad, they would be gone.
As a parent, I am tired of lazy principals and assistant principals who use unions as the excuse for not doing their job, which is to document exactly why a teacher is “bad”. They don’t want to rock the boat.
If you think that companies fire professional employees without documenting and don’t have to pay big severance packages to any employee savvy enough to hire an attorney to charge discrimination, then I doubt you have a bit of experience in private industry. Private companies know that if they want to fire an employee, they start documenting every instance of unacceptable behavior.
More likely the vast majority of those “terrible” teachers are the ones who give the school board member’s kid a bad grade or won’t change the grade of the football star so he can play in the big game. Or they stick up for the high needs student that isn’t getting services. Or the child being bullied by the daughter of the biggest donor to the PTA.
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Actually, unions fight those decisions. Check the facts. A problem I have when trying to discuss issues like this with a friend of mine who is a union member: cannot see the damage that has been done by unreasonable demands. Just because a teacher, in this example, has tenure does not allow him/her to keep the job forever.
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Schellekens,
I think you refer to teachers who have been removed without a hearing. If the administration arranged a hearing, their cases would be heard. They are innocent until proven guilty. That’s the American way.
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the American way seems to change to, if you make my life difficult, I will sue you instead of assuming personal responsibility for failure. Guilt it innocence no longer seem to matter.
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This person is clearly a hostile plant. Let’s not waste time responding.
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I think you just abrogated my First amendment rights here?? Or is posting only allowed when you agree with the subject?? Or are you like other union members I know: Open mouth only when agreed?
There are more and more union members who consider ending their membership because of this kind of an attitude. That, and the blindly following Democrat candidates.
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Gmail, unions fight for due process. I am ONLY sympathetic to a principal who has tried documenting every instance of bad teaching or problems. Too many times we just hear ‘there’s nothing you can do”. Wrong. In private corporations, if you want to get rid of a bad employee, you start documenting their bad behavior. I know of an instance where a teacher was passed from school to school. Until a strong-minded parent actually said “I will speak up” and a strong-minded principal said “I will support you”. It took a few months, but the teacher was gone. And the fact that it took a few months did not turn those parents against the union. They understood that as long as there is a PROCESS for getting rid of a bad teacher, a principal should be using it.
Again, far too often you just hear “there’s nothing we can do because of the union”. But that’s because no one wants to go through the hoops to do their job — and it isn’t the teachers’ job to get rid of other bad teachers just like it is not the workers job to fire their co-workers.
I would rather have due process than an inept principal firing the good teachers and giving jobs to friends and patrons. Or firing the teacher who sticks out her neck. Or firing the teacher who the parent with power decides isn’t good because her kid doesn’t like her, despite many quiet parents being completely satisfied.
And unlike you, I think the vast majority of teachers get BETTER with experience. There is a burn out factor, but most teachers with that much experience who have completely checked out will leave if the principal is actually doing their job and documenting. And you know what? Sometimes a teacher who is getting lazy just might start returning to their prime because they realize someone actually cares what their performance is. And those teachers are far better than the 2 years and out new inexperienced teachers revolving through a school.
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How about teachers who do nothing but show videos? Read the newspaper while kids sleep in the class room?
How about the construction worker who does nothing but lean on shovels? How about the threat of ” walk out” when union steward does not like something?
Again, unions have done good things. But ask union members in town here how they felt about union leadership because leadership did not want to negotiate in good faith – 300 + people lost their jobs.
Company locked them out (which qualified workers for in-employment rather than strike pay!) but leaders of the Union made impossible demands on the company – and did not listen to their members (nor told their members the whole truth and nothing but…).
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Where is your town, Schellekens? I’m sure one of our readers would like to interview some of those workers who want to negotiate with the corporation on their own, without a union.
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Why is anyone bothering to reply to Schellekens? His/Her comments are incredibly stupid! Implying that $70 million dollars is spent on incompetent teachers sounds like EVERY teacher is lazy and getting paid while not doing their job. Ludicrous.
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I agree Michael.
There is no point in arguing.. I stopped reading his comments after the first comment which identified cluelessness to the real issues. Yes, he has need the gamut of good and bad… so have I… as a subSTITTUTE IN A HUGE DISTRICT for 12 years of my 40 in education. BUT, I also know what works, and what needs to be done to ensure that our public schools continue. Yeah, My sons and I had some cranks who should never have been in a classroom, but the preponderance of teachers were dedicated professionals.
What was needed was the funds and the experts to bring our public institutions to where they needed to be to educate our 21st century citizens. Hey, they did it in FInland!
We need colleges that train professionals in pedagogy, and ensure they know content and how the brain acquires skills… not TFAs. Education cannot b a fad degree for people who cannot do anything else. Class size matters, and support services are needed. TO starve schools that serve all our kids is a disaster, and PURPOSEFUL!
WE CANNOT expect our people to spend a fortune for an education, only to be tossed into the street in 3 years on baseless charges, by administrators who are not accountable for utter lawlessness, where our civil rights are concerned… Rudy needs to read “Bravery, Bullies and Blowhards,” by Lorna Stremcha… and see what a Montana teacher endured.
I know that everything she wrote is TRUTH, and onlyone story of tens of thousands as the cream of America’s teachers were hounded out… so failure could be pointed to, and so the schools could be privatized.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bravery-Bullies-and-Blowhards/1460300817591125?fref=nf
Today, I met a woman who live in the Hamptons. She thought all teachers in America make 90 to 100k like they do here, and that the unions protect their benefits no matter their performance.
I spoke to her briefly, and she was surprised to hear that public schools are being systematically dismantled…and then she said something that rang true with me, she offered the reality of why people do not grasp that there has been 2 decades of systematic destruction–> ” Well, I do not have kids in the schools, like so many people, and don’t follow schools.”
HUH?
Reminds me of what the publisher of one newssite where I wrote, told me when I asked why there was so few piece on education: ” The ‘topic’ of ‘schools’ is not one that interesting to me.”
Schools? As a ‘topic?”
I read him the riot act about the cornerstone of democracy and referred him to the essay by E.D. Hirsch on how shared knowledge is required for democracy to exist.
I imagined a world where Scott Walker and David Koch determine what ‘information’ should be disseminated to our kids, about their real tenants of the Constitution or wha the intentions of the founders were for our people’s election rights, as opposed to the Scalia idea of ‘personhood.’
But, the media silence and the televisions’ circuses distracting the people. few citizens realize how our democracy is imperiled by the utter devastation occurring now.
No kids in School? Why care about what happens to those lazy , incompetent teachers, who have no ‘integrity.”
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Since you are posting on a website, I will work on the assumption that you are aware of Google. Being aware of Google, you might also be aware of the “search” function on Google. Apart from that, assuming you have paid attention in school, you might know that the major newspaper in New York is the New York Times. They, too, have a search function. Since they wrote the original article a few years ago…
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New York City was once home to the infamous rubber room — a place where teachers awaiting disciplinary measures were sent to twiddle their thumbs while still receiving full pay as their grievances went through the system — but now it has an even bigger problem on its hands: The city spends more than $100 million every year paying teachers who have been excessed but have yet to find jobs.
The ironclad union contract requires that any teacher with tenure be paid their full salary and benefits if they are sent to the “Absent Teacher Reserve pool,” according to The Wall Street Journal. The average pay of a teacher in that pool? $82,000 a year. Some of the teachers have been in the pool since 2006. According to the Journal, the majority of teachers in the pool had “neither applied for another job in the system nor attended any recruitment fairs in recent months.”
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“How about the construction worker who does nothing but lean on shovels?”
Shovel-leaning is a time honored American tradition.
“Shovel Leaning”
America was built
On shovel leaning
There’s no guilt
In daily dreaming
Labor evasion
Takes some thought
About equation
Newton wrought
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Schellekens-Maybe you’ve been watching too many movies about bad teachers. This sounds like the plot of a Hollywood comedy. There are incompetent people in every avenue of work. As a teacher in NY for over three and a half decades, I have witnessed at least three tenured teachers lose their jobs with due process. The administrators did their job; the unions defended the workers’ rights, and the system worked. The plague of “bad teachers” is another strategy of the union busters to get the public on their side. There are bad teachers, but they are few, and many get out before tenure.
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I wish it was in the movies. When I started my current job, 19 yrs ago, I spent time in every classroom (1,100) in the District where I still work. And I have seen the entire range of teachers, from the amazing to the awful.
So this is not the stuff movies are made of, this is based on daily observation.
To hear the silliness of, “Pay teachers more, and they will be better teachers…” is painful. When you take pride in your job, you do your job to the best of your ability for the wages agreed on. And facts are there: As teacher pay has gone up, student results have gone down.
I’ll be the first to admit this is a questionable comparison – but these results are there. And this can be blamed on the previous president through NCLB, but that was the first step to force accountability on teachers. Out of my family of four, three work in education, in three different (none of us are teachers, all three are educated) roles and locations, so I venture that I know what I am talking about.
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Rudy,
Please let me know who violated your First Amendment rights on this blog. I don’t like baseless accusations.
Let me correct your claim that as teacher pay goes up, student achievement goes down. In affluent districts, teacher pay is the highest and so are student scores. In impoverished districts, regardless of teacher pay, scores are lower than in the affluent districts. What do you think is the independent variable?
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Once again, I work in the 4th largest district in my state, and have for 19 years, so I know what I am talking about!
Education is the most effective is when the family is involved, when parents get on kids about homework, where parents hold teachers accountable (not blame them for bad grades!), where parents hold their children accountable. One does not have to come from an affluent background for those responsibilities to be met.
And again, look at the statistics of teacher pay and student performance. I don’t make those up.
When I am referred to as “a hostile,” do not respond to his comments… How else can I see that as a closing down of my first amendment rights to free speech? Unless, of course, your participants only allow comments when in full agreement with your piece. If that is the case indeed, I will gladly bow out.
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Full disclosure
I worked one summer as a “shovel-leaner” in Tucson, Arizona, as part o f a crew putting in sidewalks at schools (during the part of the year when I wasn’t teaching [purely for R&R, of course])
What the uninitiated do not understand is that “shovel leaners” are there to do ALL the manual work required by the heavy equipment operators that they work with [why you see the shovel-leaners hanging around backhoes and the like] so that the latter never have to get off their butts and leave their machines [in my case, checking the sidewalk grade periodically and raking and shoveling that last bit of rubble from the graded sidewalk base into the front end loader]
Shovel-leaners (often day laborers hired at very low wages [I was paid $5 per hour]) actually work very hard at times (and often in the hot sun [110 F in Tucson]). It’s a thankless job but someone has to do it.
Lots of people criticize shovel-leaners but have no idea of what they are really doing.
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Schellekens, if the teacher is only showing videos while students sleep, why aren’t you blaming the principal? Why isn’t he or she walking by that classroom constantly documenting it? As I have said, if a principal will do the work, those teachers will be gone.
I know, you excuse the laziness of management. Guess what? Even in a private company, if an employee is lazy, the management has to document it before firing them.
The problem is that administrators don’t want to stick out their necks. And the union is the handy bad guy. Sorry, Schellekens, you prefer that the teacher who gives a bad grade to the big donor parent gets fired.
Schellekens, you seem to prefer the teacher who sticks up for the child not receiving his services get fired. You prefer that the teacher who has the job the principal wants to give to the daughter of his best friend gets fired.
My question is: why?
If that was a magic bullet, the schools in the non-union states — and there are MANY — would be terrific! Charter schools would rule. Instead, those states and charter schools have some of the worst teachers around. Firing them and replacing them with teachers just as bad isn’t exactly going to convince us that those schools are better.
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Personal responsibility! Integrity in job performance. Living up to the contract signed. Personal pride. Doing the job you agreed to do. THAT should all come from the teacher. (Or, for that matter, any employee, be it a union member or not!)
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I agree with you on this issue. All workers need to take the job seriously and do their best. I witnessed this many times over in my teaching career. I was fortunate to work among a group of dedicated professionals, granted some more than others, that worked collaboratively to do what was best for the students. Let’s face it; the culture climate of schools vary a great deal as the leadership varies as well.
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“Personal responsibility! Integrity in job performance. Living up to the contract signed. Personal pride. Doing the job you agreed to do. THAT should all come from the teacher. (Or, for that matter, any employee, be it a union member or not!)
I agree with that completely.
And I also believe that school “reformers” and other political and business “leaders” need to be held to the very same standard — nay, a higher standard, because they are (often arbitrarily) forcing “accountability” on the rest of us with precisely zero accountability/sacrifice (and often actually benefit) for themselves.
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Schellekens, why do school administrators get a pass on “personal responsibility”.
If we believe you that you have seen all kinds of incompetent teachers in your work, then you must have seen even more incompetent administrators who weren’t holding those teachers to any standard.
More likely you are just making stuff up. No one would walk into a workplace, see lazy workers, and not wonder who was in charge. And blame only the workers! Unless it is a privately run charter school where the workers are related to the CEO!
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Don’t know where I gave administrators a pass. I expect them, too, to do their job with the same integrity and honesty and honor as “any employee…”
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@NYS public school parent – your example (concluding with “they know as long as there is a PROCESS for getting rid of a bad teacher, a principal should be using it” – is what I’m all about. You have to have laws and processes that assume the worst– that protect the public from the abuses that inevitably WILL happen without them.
I get so sick of people vilifying corporations today for doing what corporations do, while they sat on their hands or applauded for 30 yrs while their elected reps gradually untied every knot that protected the public from monopolies & labor abuses & bank fraud & stock fraud. Why curse Gates Walton et al when the consequent fire-hose of $ to the top resulted in instant and continuing erosion of charity & lobbying & campaign-finance laws? We allowed legislators to engineer a major shift of power, then sat sucking our thumbs to see what would happen next.
Our elected reps have had many moons to fund enforcement of remaining laws, legislate reversal of flow & damage repairs. That they have not is on the electorate.
To espouse closing public schools because they’re not working– supporting busting teachers’ unions because some teachers should be fired and aren’t or because union leaders aren’t rep’g worker interest– the same phenomenon. The only alternative to repairing the system is anarchy.
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Schellekens, even if what you say is in only a small part true, should teachers be fired without due process or without cause? In L.A. about 5,000 competent veteran teachers are forced out without any defense from our union. I’ll match your $70 million with those teachers who have lost everything that they’ve worked for. Some have committed suicide, five in Southern California over the last few years.
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According to the New York Times it is ALL true, and not in part. The people awaiting the outcome of their case have been accused of things from insubordination (subjective, I get that) to sexual abuse of students. Some of these accusations are dropped or lowered in severity. Again, according to the NYT, Mayor Bloomberg started the closing down of the “rubber rooms. Seems he inherited that systems from other mayors before him…
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Sorry, Rudy, teachers are in rubber rooms in NYC because their cases have NOT been heard. If they are found guilty, they are fired. They don’t stay in the rubber room if they have been found guilty.
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Vote Bernie. The rest are not just a shame they’re a sham.
Kind Regards,
Nick Penkovsky
Please excuse any typos or terseness, this was sent from my Sprint BlackBerry®.
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Four words on the necessity for unions (& the reason for their beginnings & existence):
Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire, which, several years ago, occurred 100 years ago, & would most certainly occur, again, in this country (still happening in other countries where U.S. corporations continue to exploit overseas workers with substandard housing, slave working conditions & slave wages, not to mention use of child labor) WITHOUT unions.
Rank-&-file union brethren, I salute you on Labor Day 2015 (okay–just an hour late).
Bernie 2016 (beating Hillary in the New Hampshire polls, & gaining in Iowa!)
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Obama has long been a tool of the plutocrats, beginning with Penny Pritzker. He continued to show his fealty to the 1 percent by surrounding himself with Wall Street types and by refusing to prosecute banskters. His lack of union support was evident during the recall, when Obama stayed far away as Walker unleashed his damage and the people fought for justice. The TPP is the last major gift he must deliver to the 1 percenters before leaving office, to ensure himself, Michelle, Sasha and Malia a lifetime of wealth.
Hillary is no different. She refuses to restore Glass-Steagall, is mum on Keystone and TPP, and her daughter Chelsea works for a hedge fund and lives in a $9 million condo. Hillary is lukewarm on supporting teachers and cavorts with the Wall Street types whose aim is to destroy public education while wringing profits out of it.
And yet the AFT has endorsed her?
I am so ready to quit the union over Randi Weingarten’s despicable, premature endorsement of Hillary,
I am supporting Bernie Sanders.
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“Hedges”
Chelsea’s hedges
Finely groomed
Hillary’s hedges
Finally doomed*
*by Sanders (we hope)
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Did you sent to Hilary too?
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Cross posted at http://www.opednews.com/Quicklink/John-Thompson-Shame-on-th-in-Best_Web_OpEds-Crisis_Diane-Ravitch_Jobs_Jobs-150908-396.html#comment562350
with my comment, which has embedded links to important posts here and at Perdaily.com, which offer the evidence of the union’s role in what is happening now.
GO there and read what I wrote, and click on the links if you want to see how the unions failed teachers… and why WE NEED THEM with NEW LEADERSHIP!
Without the unions, we cannot fight the $$$. I takes money to go to court to uphold civil rights, and teachers cannot afford to do what Esquith is doing.
It cost me 25 thousand dollars to hire an attorney to fight for me when I landed in a rubber room even as ti was one of the most celebrated teachers in NY city and STATE!
Yeah, Randi rescued me into retirement, when my husband managed to contact her directly, to explain how the Manhattan UFT rep allowed them to trample on my civil rights. THAT moment is one for the books, bur not for this comment. I assure you that I have the documentation to show the truth, how the union let it happen to me, and to thousands of others, so the schools could destroy genuine curricula and put into effect the CC and VAM.
I have no illusions who Randi Weingarten is, and I know her and admired her for so long, that it is hard for me to agree with those who know she is a political entity.
We need someone like Diane to represent us,someone who is tireless in uncovering the truth about the forces that are at work to end our profession. I know it is a pipe dream to see people at the top of the AFT or NEA like Burris, or Cody or any of the people whose voices speak for teachers HERE..
go read my comment at Oped…here is the link again
Cross posted at http://www.opednews.com/Quicklink/John-Thompson-Shame-on-th-in-Best_Web_OpEds-Crisis_Diane-Ravitch_Jobs_Jobs-150908-396.html#comment562350
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Re: Rudy Schellekens. I cannot find a Rudy Schellekens in any database for teachers in NYS. This guy is taking up a LOT of space here.
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When you actually read what I write, you will have noticed that I have classified myself as support staff.
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Search in all counties for all gov’t job levels fails to turn up your name.
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Once again, you make the incorrect assumption that all writers in this series of comments are from New York State.
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I make no such assumptions. Not interested where you live etc. Just the county you work in.
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http://bfy.tw/1i5v
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And now you know why I did not want to publicly state my whereabouts etc. Because now everyone on this list has the opportunity to complain to people I work with about what I write.
Apart from that, it would be so nice if FLERP would use a personal name instead of hide behind an alias.
Another lesson learned: Those who support the union do not seem to care about this kind of personal attacks.
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My apologies, Rudy, I assumed you didn’t care, since you were using your real name. Diane will probably agree to delete my post of you ask her to. But that’s not going to stop people from identifying you, because you’re identifying yourself.
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Not sure what “MS” (middle school?) stands for and “LIS” (learning Information systems???). Seems Schellekens may be working for a private company that could be trying to replace teachers with technology. Says he works in Scott County. It all seems nebulous.
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It never ceases to amaze me how people respond to ideas that are conflicting with their own. From the very beginning I have stated that I work for a school district, as support staff. From my perspective, that is all you need to know. But, seemingly because I don’t agree with SOME of the content, now personal information gets shared – and most of that wrong, as well! And all because I think unions are not good for many things any more!
I have stated from the beginning that I know many good and awesome teachers, and that the BAD ones should be released from their jobs. Not after years, but ASAP.
This happens in the business world, and no one complains about that!
I have stated a number of times that unions have done good things. That people should do their job with integrity, no matter what their pay scale is. If you have agreed to a certain amount of money, do your job to the best of your ability. For the past 45 years I have done each and every job I have had to the best of my ability, striving to get better at my job, and be excited about promotions and new opportunity – and pay increases.
I think my own thoughts, am able to do the research for myself rather than repeating popularisms. Most often I agree. Sometimes I disagree, But more and more, I see that on-line reactions are mean-spirited because of the anonymity.
I have done the research on class-sizes, which i why I knew where to look for opinions that are non-biased (i.e. not based on teachers protecting jobs). In my own environment, I have done the research which shows technology is NOT this year’s silver bullet. That software does NOT take the place of a good teacher. That a bad teacher will NEVER become a good teacher no matter how many gadgets you place in the room. That good teachers WILL always become better teachers with new tools.
But Apple’s word is accepted, because… well, it’s APPLE! Surely they know what they are doing…?
Gates was belittled in this forum, but he has not done near the damage to education as has been done by Apple.All depends on how you view the world, I guess…
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Reblogged this on Rcooley123's Blog and commented:
Democrat politicians’ support for unions isn’t always all they’d like us to believe.
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