Florida Governor Ron DeSantis holds regular press conference where he issues new policies intended to curb the freedoms of some marginalized group or to impose his views on the whole state. Whenever he eliminates someone’s freedom, he boasts about Florida standing for “freedom.” What he means is that in Florida, everyone is free to agree with him.
Obviously he’s running for the Republican nomination for President, and he has decided that he must out-Trump Trump. He must be more racist, more homophobic, more xenophobic, and more contemptuous of democratic norms than Trump.
Trump often complained about his inability to sue reporters who criticized him. Many years ago, the Supreme Court ruled that prominent public figures could not sue the press for libel unless they are able to prove “malicious intent.” This standard was so high that it was virtually impossible for a president or governor or senator to sue and win.
DeSantis intends to change that by crafting a new law making it easier for him to sue reporters. This law, if challenged, would go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. It could curtail press freedom across the nation.
Gov. Ron DeSantis has targeted one political enemy after another, from removing a top state prosecutor in Tampa who disagreed with him on abortion rights to promoting an “anti-woke” agenda that limits the teaching of racism in public schools and diversity hiring programs at universities. He even went after business behemoth Disney when its CEO opposed an educational bill, dubbed by critics as the “Don’t Say Gay” law.
Now, Florida lawmakers — with the support of the governor — are taking aim at the media, pushing legislation that would dramatically weaken legal standards in place for more than a half century that protect the freedom of the press to report on politicians and other powerful public figures.
The bill would make it easier to sue media outlets for allegations of defamation and make it harder for journalists to do their jobs by undermining the use of unnamed sources, an important reporting tool — particularly for media trying to pull back the curtain on the dealings of elected officials.
Many First Amendment advocates and legal experts say it is clearly intended to muzzle reporters who serve as watch dogs for the public. “I see this as a deliberate effort to punish media organizations that have been critical of the governor and the Republican Legislature,” Thomas Julin, a First Amendment attorney with the Gunster law firm in Miami, said in an interview. “It’s doing that by stripping away protections that were seen as essential for those organizations to remain strong.
“It’s encouraging more people to file more damage claims and punitive damage claims against media organizations,” Julin told the Herald. “They’re trying to put them out of business. … What’s disturbing is that it’s meant to help DeSantis get elected as president — not because it’s good policy.”
The bill, filed by a GOP lawmaker this week, also poses a threat to press freedom beyond Florida. Given the governor’s clout in Tallahassee, it stands a solid chance of passage this spring in the Republican-controlled state Legislature and would likely spur more defamation cases in Florida, legal experts say.
Because of the clear-cut constitutional questions, the legislation could eventually be appealed all the way to the United States Supreme Court, where at least two justices have already signaled they are interested in revisiting libel law and press protections.
The Florida legislation (HB991) aims to eliminate longstanding protections for the news media in their coverage of politicians, government officials and public figures. For starters, the bill directly challenges a 1964 landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling, New York Times v. Sullivan, that created a formidable standard — “actual malice” — in defamation disputes.
When the Civil Rights-era case in Alabama was decided as a constitutional First Amendment issue, the Supreme Court unanimously defined the new actual malice standard as making a false statement about a public official “with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.” Those words were critical because from that point forward, public officials, along with public figures later on, have been faced with proving that a media outlet knew its reporting was false or inaccurate to clear the “actual malice” bar in a defamation lawsuit.
If passed, Florida’s anti-media bill would be the only one of its kind in the nation. But First Amendment advocates fear other states could follow and the legislation could clear the path for weakening press protections across the county.
Two conservative Supreme Court justices, Clarence Thomas, who is admired by DeSantis, and Neil Gorsuch, already have expressed in prior libel case rulings their interest to reevaluate that bedrock legal principle, citing the rapidly changing digital landscape of news reporting propelled by rampant misinformation, inaccuracies and conspiracies posted on social media site.
The Court already demonstrated its indifference to precedent by overturning Roe v. Wade.
Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article272580860.html#storylink=cpy
DeSantis must have read and reread many times Hitler’s famous book, “Mein Kampf”. Memorized that infamous book. It is definitely a road map that DeSantis has been following from the first day he took over Florida Governor’s office.
One step at a time. It’s the frog in the warm water pot story. He enjoys the swim and doesn’t know the heat is going up and up.
Need to throw a bunch of salt in the mix and speed up the cooking.
Also, Dangerously Deranged DeSantis has probably read all the books Traitor Trump paid ghost writers to write for him, since the traitor can’t write and hates to read, to learn all about how to get revenge on anyone that stands in a fascists path to power.
Be afraid……be very afraid of this guy. And I’m a recently retired teacher who lives in Florida!
DeSantis is a shrewd lawyer who knows exactly what he is trying to do. He wants to change the moral, social and judicial compact in this country. If he can muzzle the press so it is no longer a “free press,” he will be able to better hide his motives and create a breeding ground for fascism. He is counting that the extremist members of the Supreme Court will see things his way. All of of these moves are to pave his path to the 2024 election.
1933 playbook.
So, could an individual or organization or America that is slandered, defamed, subject to lies, or maligned, SUE A POLITICIAN who uses social media or his/her TAXPAYER PAID NEWSLETTER.
So… based on this: The bill would make it easier to sue media outlets for allegations of defamation and make it harder for journalists to do their jobs by undermining the use of unnamed sources, an important reporting tool — particularly for media trying to pull back the curtain on the dealings of elected officials.
We are Germany in (I would say) 1932. Exactly. I am imagining a play in which he is conferring with the ghost of Joseph Goebbels.
Me thinks that Biden is also pretty bad at “Press Freedom”. He only takes limited, pre-approved questions from reporters who approve of his politics. As much as Trump hated most of the press, at least he spends lots of his time engaging with reporters of various political backgrounds.
Biden doesn’t suppress the media. He is not limiting press freedom. The “hate-Biden” media are flourishing. They blame him for everything, credit him with nothing.
Comparing him to fascist Ron is far-fetched, to be polite.
I was not comparing a Biden to DeSantis. I am merely suggesting that Biden could improve his work with sharing more with the press as well as taking more questions from reporters, publishers, etc, who are not on his approved list. Biden himself has been heard at many press conferences stating, “I’ve been told not to take any more questions.” Biden’s handlers have been exposed handing him cue cards as to which exact reporters he should answer to and how to respond.
Joey,
What you describe is what I recall about every president in my memory except for one: John F. Kennedy. Typically, presidents don’t like hostile or gotcha questions. Kennedy, on the other hand, liked to spar with the press. He liked the back and forth. He was knowledgeable and ready to deal with any question. I can’t remember anyone of his skill level on this issue.
@Joey R: Did you miss this part: DeSantis intends to change that by crafting a new law making it easier for him to sue reporters. What new law is Biden crafting to make it easier for him to sue reporters. Biden is not trying to quash the free press or dissent. Oh sure, Trump engages with the press by spewing non-stop lies, falsehoods and right wing/libertarian myths and memes.
Joey R is trotting out the hackneyed, Democrats should adhere to rules of play fair. Joey R. knows full well that the GOP’s rule-breaking advantages them.
Fighting for democracy against well-funded, unprincipled theocrats and fascists demands Democrats have new strategies.
Hey Linda, I don’t give a hoot about the GOP or Democrats. All I’m saying is that Biden is not very good at working with the press. DeSantis is a jerk for trying to mess with laws regarding suing reporters. I also think Trump is a tool but at least he had no problem talking to anybody from the press or answering any of their questions. I wonder if all of the posters here really believe that Biden is great with working with the press?
When I compare the clumsiness of Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who treated reporters with contempt, to the intelligence and care demonstrated by Jen Psaki, I’d say that Biden has a far better relationship with the press than Trump. It’s not the Oresident’s job to manage the press. It’s his job to hire a competent and truthful person to interact with the press.
As long as Fox spins/lies for the GOP with impunity, any criticism about a Democrat and media should fall on deaf ears. The U.S. has one chance to stop Koch et al and that one savior is the Democratic Party. When right wing extremist politicians fail to garner enough votes to win and when their judges stop robbing me of my rights, I will listen to the need for the Democratic Party to get its house in order relative to the press.
A rigged system where media advances Republicans e.g the leaked e-mails from John Podesta, while protecting the GOP is the issue all of us should be focused on.
Btw- read at the Faculty First Responders site, about the College Fix, a right wing organization that reportedly receives funding from Koch family foundations. The College Fix creator is the Journalism Dept. Director at Hillsdale.
Tucker Carlson’s producer is Alex Pfeiffer. He was part of College Fix and is currently in the national news about presidential election “reporting” at Fox.
Joey R.
You are right about Trump, Every answer was about how only he could fix it. Or the fine genetic stock he comes from. And when he did not simply make up horse sh!t he called the reporter “a nasty Lady”
Joey R.,
I agree with you that DeSantis’ politics of neo-fascism are very different than Biden’s politics of a belief in democracy. You are right that DeSantis promoting fascist ideas is different than Biden believing in democracy.
But I don’t understand why you are so upset that Biden will only call on reporters that share his view that democracy is important and not the ones that we now know are propagandists spewing neo-nazi type conspiracy theories to get Americans to willingly give up democracy because they believe a lie.
Why do you think that Biden should waste his time taking questions from what we now know are lying propagandists who don’t believe in democracy? I promise you that Ronald Reagan never took questions from far right white supremacist reporters from organizations whose only interest was to promote a far right line?
Reagan knew better. He didn’t take questions from “John Birch Press” faux reporters or “Neo-Nazi Monthly” faux journalists. They weren’t even at the press conferences.
So Biden is acting like Reagan because there is no need to call on propagandists who don’t believe in democracy just because they pose as journalists. Did Reagan call on Pravda “reporters”? I doubt it.
“Trump hated most of the press, at least he spends lots of his time engaging with reporters of various political backgrounds.”
Huh?! You are kidding, right? Trump is notoriously thin skinned.
Trump called the press “the enemy of the people,” a phrase popularized by Stalin.
The press was “hard” on Trump by reporting his daily lies. Just telling the truth.
People age at different rates. Biden is an elderly man. It’s easy for some people, at his age, to make gaffes. That’s why his people limit the free interchanges. Same was true with Reagan. He was totally scripted/on script.
Biden had a stutter as a child. He still occasionally stutters. His mental capacity as of now seems to be leaps and bounds beyond that of Trump, DeSantis, Cruz, Hawley, McCarthy, and other Republican leaders. He has something they don’t have: a heart.
I agree about his mental capacity. And his wisdom. And his experience. And his heart!!!
…And his strategic legislative prowess is unmatched. Biden’s success with congress thus far has been due to his willingness to work quietly behind the scenes, but the lack of public engagement has proved problematic in scoring political points.
People think that this is an either-or thing. Either one has dementia, or one doesn’t. But that’s simply not the case. The brain changes over time, just as the body does. I think that I’m a LOT wiser today than I used to be, and I certainly know a lot more, but I find that it takes me longer to do math and logic problems than it did in the past, and I am more likely to have typos in my writing. And though I am more likely to have typos than in the past, I know VASTLY more about grammar, spelling, usage, punctuation, stylebooks and stylesheets, and so on than I did when I was younger and quicker.
Years ago, to meet a deadline, I stayed up and wrote continuously for 3 1/2 days and nights. I simply could not do that now.
All I was saying is that at his age, he is probably more likely to have some gaffes in front of a camera or microphone but that he knows A LOT MORE than most younger people do and has VASTLY MORE EXPERIENCE TO CALL UPON. So, he can be counted on to engage in reasoned, lengthy deliberation and in knee-jerk response. Trump, in sharp contrast, has learned almost nothing about almost everything in the years that he has slithered and slimed his way across the planet. He has the crude craftiness of a mobster thug, but he has the attention span and emotional control of an infant.
cx: and NOT in knee-jerk response
I think Biden has been underestimated by the press and others. Even when he was VP, the press treated him like a weird uncle. Overall, Biden has been restrained, and he seems pretty fair and balanced. His diction is not the best due to a lingering speech problem, but the content is thoughtful and coherent.
Bob– Basically you’re describing a difference between what you know and what you can “do.” My eldest had that brain difference built-in. It was obvious from toddlerhood that he osmosed and analyzed vast amounts of info in an adult-like manner. But his physical(?) output did not synch. Example: when I was standing by offering moral support as he struggled wih 8th-gr math hw [not actual help, as my math is limited], I mentioned I had no idea what quadratic equations were. He considered for a moment, then summarized their essence and use in a couple of user-friendly sentences. But he couldn’t work one through to conclusion.
He was a puzzle to the child study team. When young, they said he had ADD. But in his sr yr evaluation, they said he wasn’t & hadn’t been ADD; his ”processing ability” lagged his IQ by 40 pts. Definitely how I feel about my aging brain 😉.
Brilliantly observed, Ginny! Kids differ. This is one of the many reasons why the current occupation of our schools by the testing people is so harmful and stupid.
The one constant of conservatism since the beginning of our republic is that they cannot emotionally handle disagreement. The contemporary word being snowflake. They know Christian Nationalism is wrong headed and not Christ like. They understand their Machiavellian thirst for power is anti-community, yet conservatives cannot help themselves. It is the archetypal pendulum of tyranny versus community. It is never thoroughly vanquished. They can only thrive with enemies, real or imagined. The problem is that the rest of us are forced to play along until they fail.
May 1, 2027
This just in. The European Commission today announced the creation of Radio Free United States, an organization dedicated to getting uncensored news to the citizens of the United States, where academic freedom, freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly have been effectively outlawed. Looking very like a hunk of Spam in a blue suit, and with his characteristic humorlessness and playground bully persona, President InSantis responded in a press conference that any attempt to provide Americans with actual information would be considered an act of war.
Meanwhile, Glorious Leader InSantis continues to push to rename the United States “Greater Flor-uh-duh,” aka “The Dumb Dumb Imperium.”
The Spokesperson for the new Ministry of Right Thought pointed out that under the Duh Dumb Duh Dum Imperium, people are “Completely Free” to agree with President Insantis.
As DeSantis has often said, Florida is the land of freedumb, where diversity, equity, inclusion, any discussion of systemic injustice or of people who are not white and straight “goes to die.”
The Freedumb Imperium?
Well, let’s not forget the degenerate art (Entartete Kunst) that surrounds us now. Perhaps, he will set up a ministry of culture to determine what kinds of art are acceptable to Floridians and what is trash. Certainly, only art that is patriotic or doesn’t hurt Floridians’ feelings should be seen.
https://hyperallergic.com/802847/ron-desantis-florida-governor-war-on-wokeness-hits-the-arts/
He and his followers are certainly fragile little flowers.
Bill W.
Thanks for the link. Brilliant observation.
Agreed!
Good lord.
John J Miller is the creator of Student Free Press Association which has a “project,” College Fix (right wing). Miller heads the journalism department at Hillsdale. Miller’s website prominently identifies three publications where his writing appears. Two are the National Review and Angelus (a Catholic publication). In one of the book reviews that Miller wrote he says, “We are all crucifiers.” The reference was related to religion.
College Fix alumni, Alex Pfeiffer of Fox and Daily Caller, is currently in the national news cycle. From the recent news articles about the intersection of of Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson and Pfeiffer, readers learn about lies vs. truth in communication to the public re: the presidential election in which Trump claimed he had won.
The Faculty First Responders site informs that SFPA received $1,802,653 from 2012 and 2019 from the “Koch family foundations, the Bradley Foundation and Donors Trust and the Donors Capital Fund.” SFPA was described by First Responders as having on its board “many donors with longstanding connections to the Koch network including the son of Betsy and Dick DeVos.”
The purpose of College Fix is to advance the media careers of students who are part of the organization.
It’s worth noting the number of religious colleges that College Fix’s alumni attended. They can be found in the bio’s at the page, “Where are they now?”
Guantanamo Ron espouses neither civil nor human rights. He represents a large group of our countrymen who desperately cling to the delusions of American exceptionalism in a world that has outgrown it. Thankfully. They are becoming the minority, and they are not happy about it. Too many generations of people know too much; too many of us no longer subscribe to the false narrative of manifest destiny. Sins of the Empire have grown transparent. It’s hard but fair: from poison seed comes poison fruit.
It’s like seeing in real time the Cultural Revolution of China, except right here in our own country. Will there be re-education camps for those of us who openly defend the Bill of Rights? Shall we abandon that “certain truths are self-evident?”
Clinging to an artificial history portrayed by propagandists. Seizing control of the media, and eliminating dissenting voices. Stop me if you’ve heard this one before…
You almost have to pity them. They find themselves hating the very Constitution they are sworn to protect because that pesky little document is the thing that gives voice to all the people they hate, all of us who refuse to just behave and fit in.
If I were in the “news” business, I’d claim to be an entertainer playing a persona. I remember a bunch of years back when someone sued Rush Limbaugh about his unrelenting defamation that wrecked their life, and he hid behind being an “entertainer.” Entertainers and politicians: two groups of people getting paid handsomely to play roles, wearing costumes, and masquerading as sincere.
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before…
Exactly
The Constitution-
a far right person running for a judgeship on Wisconsin’s highest court was quoted as saying something to the effect that God’s law is supreme over the Constitution.
Donors Trust was co-founded by Whitney Ball (now dead). She “helped launch” the right wing College Fix project of which Alex Pfeiffer is an alumni. Pfeiffer is Tucker Carlson’s producer and currently he is in the news (topic- Fox communication to the public about Trump’s claims he won the election).
At the Donors Trust site, there’s page which was written on 5-31-2018, “Funding the faith from all perspectives.” The page describes the article author’s first meeting with Ball, “We believed passionately in a …Christ-centered nurturing and academically rigorous education for D.C. kids.”
I don’t know what religion the editor of College Fix is but she wrote an article posted at Catholic Citizens… Catholic Citizens of Illinois.The advisory board of the organization includes the William E. Simon senior fellow at Heritage Foundation (Koch’s organization) and the Pres. and CEO of the Catholic League for religious and civil rights.
I’m curious where a co-founder of Donors Trust thought her soul was going (she died in 2015). At DeSmog.com you can read about excessive executor fees and the wills of elderly clients as they relate to Whitney Ball.
In 2013, The Guardian reported that “Donors Trust and Donors Capital Fund …channeled nearly $120 mil. to more than 100 groups casting doubt about climate change.” Ball is described on a page at Donors Trust as believing passionately in a…Christ- centered nurturing …education for D.C. kids.”
Ball was associated with the Koch-linked State Policy Network.
With justice, Charles Koch and Ball will find those like them in the afterlife.
It’s no wonder Jesus needs a $100 mil rebranding after the religious right weaponized him for the greed of the GOP.
Libertarians are described as wanting people to die in the streets like feral dogs.
The growing support for censorship is not purely a letter of the First Amendment issue, where government actively suppresses free speech. A dismaying fact of modern journalism is that most political reporters are very willing to censor information that challenges their preferred narratives. The current case-in-point is the lab leak theory of how Covid-19 originally spread. It’s regrettable that so far only right-leaning media are willing to inform the public about the credible (not yet conclusive) evidence for this theory.
https://nypost.com/2023/02/26/covid-lab-leak-is-a-scandal-of-media-and-government-censorship/
Maria– I do not find Turley’s opinion piece at the NYPost supports “so far only right-leaning media are willing to inform the public about the credible (not yet conclusive) evidence for this theory.” All the major papers are all over this story. And no one has access [yet] to the evidence on which the Energy Dept based its “low confidence” conclusion.
It’s a hard nut to crack. The wet-market theory has strong evidence: nearly all the first victims had been there within a few days prior to illness, and the virus was found in stalls and on cages in the live-animal section handling a likely culprit [racoon dogs]. OTOH, the lab, 40mis away, was doing gain-of-function research on a strain 96% consistent with covid-19; its safety protocols were a matter of concern to visiting scientists; 3 researchers were hospitalized with consistent symptoms just prior to the outbreak.
Cover-up-wise, China looks bad in either case. Wet markets were the source of SARS in 2003 [why are they allowed at all??] I guess they prefer that to the lab-leak theory— blame nature, not Chinese scientists. But US has something to hide as well; leaked communications among WHO scientists suggest we were supporting the gain-of-function research in some way. Govt lets the ‘racist’ accusations favoring wet-market theory provide cover (in case it was a lab accident).
Maria,
It is dismaying that you would cite someone as discredited as Jonathan Turley. It speaks to what I have said earlier — why people like Tucker Carlson and Jonathan Turley and Republican Jim Jordan who should have no credibility because of a long history of being wrong, are still being cited by anyone who cares about the truth. You could also cite your 6 year old niece who says the media is biased or your 85 year old uncle who runs the local Ku Klux Klan. The point is that if that is the best you can do, and you can’t find anyone with more credibility to cite, then you probably should rethink your opinion. That’s isn’t to say that a broken clock isn’t right sometimes, but using a clock with a long history of being wrong as your source for telling people why you are positive it is 10am is not a good look for anyone.
My view is that people who get it wrong but correct their errors because their goal is truth-telling, not propaganda, are credible. My view is that people who get it wrong and double down on their false assertions for political reasons long after all evidence shows they are wrong, are not credible. And they are not credible on anything. You can take your very sick kid to the doctor recommended by your friend who believes Hydroxychloroquine cures COVID and the election was stolen from Trump and there are Jewish space lasers if you want, but if you can’t find a more credible source who recommends that same doctor, then maybe that isn’t the doctor who you want treating your very sick child.
You obviously know nothing about Jonathan Turley other than that he isn’t the extreme left-wing partisan that you are.Turley was among the most prominent of law professors who advocated for the U.S. Supreme Court to legalize same-sex marriage in all states; he has also theorized that polygamy should be similarly legalized. The bottom line is that he is not a right-wing ideologue/activist. He is a principled liberal, at most a principled moderate, which distinguishes him from most people on the Left these days.
I’m willing to forgive mistakes made in good faith by scientists in the midst of a health crisis that was little understood at the time; after all, Covid-19 is technically desribed as a novel coronavirus, meaning it was a new virus. What I don’t forgive is government officials, big tech tech bureaucrats, and journalists suppressing dissenting opinions from credible experts on this topic. Scientific/medical advances depend on the free flow of information, and the lay public has the right to be informed about what various credible experts believe. As Turley says, this episode reflects especially badly on journalists, who of all people should most oppose censorship. You, of course, favor censorship when doing so advances your far Left agenda.
Maria,
LOL Fox News regular lecturing the media of bias!! And that’s your source! Fox News own media critic has just come public about how he has been censored by Fox News!
But you tell us to trust Fox News Jonathan Turley because you haven’t found another more reliable source to demonize all media except the far right.
Jonathan Turley is neither principled nor is he liberal. As I said, I don’t expect perfection from Turley — we all get things wrong. What I do expect is when all evidence demonstrates that he is wrong, that he acknowledge it just like most of us who are normal do.
There was a very fair-minded article about Turley in Salon Magazine. Truth-tellers without an agenda don’t present debatable propositions as “certainties”. Turley is simply like Bill Barr and Alan Dershowitz. That’s not to say Turley can’t be right about something. But if the only sources you can find to support your beliefs are Jonathan Turley, Bill Barr and Alan Dershowitz (and right wing Republicans like Jim Jordan), you probably should re-think your beliefs.
As many people pointed out, there are far more reliable sources than Turley talking about the new evidence about the sources of Covid, but without the false certainty that Turley uses whenever he is pushing the right wing agenda that is his default position.
I mean, if you trust Bill Barr, you should trust Jonathan Turley who tells us Bill Barr is upright and honest and trustworthy. They are two of a kind and you are welcome to your views.
What Happened to Jonathan Turley, Really?
By Robert Weisberg
Nov 18, 2022
“Turley reports that he voted for Obama in 2008. Nevertheless, and no doubt with poignant reluctance, he launched a series of attacks on the Obama administration. His shtick involved saying things that pretty much reinforced the Fox News conservative meme of the day, but with a genteel tone, inflected with a kind of tragic regret that he was intellectually and morally obliged to say these things to keep liberals honest and American discourse civilized. He surely knew that regardless of the exact words he uttered himself, what the Fox audience heard was always going to be “Famed liberal legal scholar agrees with what Fox News hosts are saying about how awful liberals are.”
“But now the “What the heck happened?” trope needs an update. In the last few years, starting during the heat of Donald Trump’s first impeachment saga in 2019, the Turley phenomenon has gone from odd to puzzling to disturbing. The tonal pretense is still that he is the rare Burkean honest man, horrified that politics have become too contentious and law too political. But his earlier interest in showing up on Fox News and in chastising Democrats and liberals has become, well, compulsive and obsessive. Not just in his Fox News appearances but also in his prolific tweets and blog posts, we see Republican sycophancy rendered in a sober scholarly tone with pearl-clutching sanctimonious nostalgia for some pre-political era of American law. There is the unintentionally comical self-referential stuff (roughly translated: “As readers of my earlier columns will recall,” or “When I was honored to be asked to testify before Congress,” or “The court has now agreed with the position I earlier expressed”). But a newer reader of Turley might conclude that he now actually despises Democrats in a venomous way.
Turley gleefully reports court decisions that go against Biden or other Democrats—and almost never or barely mentions any that the GOP loses. While his supposed added value is legal expertise, he takes time to chortle at random Biden gaffes. But what about the Marjorie Taylor Greenes of the world? Well, he has mentioned her, but it was to argue that the calls to disqualify her from Congress were unsound. He virtually second-chairs the Trump lawyers fighting searches and subpoenas, or the defense of Jan. 6 figures facing indictment. Oh, he does the occasional feint the other way, reminding us, say, that he once said that there were some crimes at the Capitol.”
As I say, citing Jonathan Turley is like citing William Barr. If they are the ONLY source for partisan demonizing of the media, then you are clearly showing your own biases and should own them. If you believe what Fox News and their paid legal analyst Jonathan Turley tell you, that’s on you. But pleases don’t cite a paid Fox news shill and expect to convince anyone that y0pu are real;ly concerned about media bias!
LOL!
If Maria read the comments that follow Turley’s posts at his blog, she’d be clear that his following is as disgustingly right wing as it gets.
Republicans trotted Turley out in the Trump impeachment hearings.
College Fix alumni, Andy Ngo and Nic Rowan, have written
for the New York Post. College Fix is at Hillsdale. The journalism department chair created the project.
One infamous College Fix alumni is Alex Pfeiffer who is associated with Fox and Tucker’s Daily Caller.
Maria says:
“What I don’t forgive is government officials, big tech tech bureaucrats, and journalists suppressing dissenting opinions from credible experts on this topic. Scientific/medical advances depend on the free flow of information, and the lay public has the right to be informed about what various credible experts believe”
But you cited Jonathan Turley as your source that this was happening – paid by Fox News which has been directly caught suppressing information that they all knew was true in order to push lies.
Turley misled you, just like he misled people numerous times by excusing the worst Republican behavior and demonizing anything he could grasp to prove “media bias”.
Do you realize that another supposedly “liberal” commenter who like Turley was paid by Fox News to give a supposedly “liberal” view just came out publicly to say that Fox News has censored him. Look up Howard Kurtz.
Here is a fact. The vaccines you took as a child are not 100% safe. There is no such thing as a 100% safe vaccine. The media has never suppressed that. But they also didn’t use that fact to misinform readers that vaccines were dangerous. Because the benefit you got from taking the polio vaccine greatly outweighed the risks. The benefit all of society got from getting a huge percentage of people vaccinated greatly outweighed the risks. Today, if Republicans and their shills like Turley believed they got some political mileage from it, they would be writing stories getting gullible people not to trust any vaccines or any government by lying and saying that the media and government “censored” the fact that no vaccine is 100% safe.
The so-called liberal media has all along been reporting on various THEORIES of how COVID developed and the likelihood of that theory being accurate either increasing or decreasing as more evidence arose.
Meanwhile Turley’s media has been misinforming folks like you that there are “certainties” — quack covid cures that work miracles, covid being a plot from China, covid being intentionally released into the world.
While the so-called “liberal” media and Biden government is trying to provide all of us with the very inconclusive evidence.
Maria, you probably are now absolutely certain that COVID was caused by a lab leak. Just like you are absolutely certain that wearing masks did absolutely nothing to slow the spread of COVID. The media you trust told you that even though the evidence of both is sketchy and far from certain.
The liberal media always acknowledged those possibilities, AND they did often say that the folks who were presenting those possibilities as certainties on Fox News were wrong. If you object to that kind of reporting as Turley does, then you seem to agree that misleading people for political gain as Fox News does is not a big deal, but the real danger is a media who might downplay the likelhood of one cause of COVID for a time until they report the FURTHER information to give a more accurate picture.
It’s a shame that Turley doesn’t care about Fox News doubling down on lies. He faux cares if the so-called liberal media is possibly late in telling readers that a possible origin for COVID is more likely than previously thought, but still unknown.
No one who cared about the truth would cite Turley.
Maria,
I read about the possibility of a lab leak in the New York Times. The story was not censored, even if the New York Post said so.
A couple years ago, The NY Times’ lead Covid reporter was publicly wishing that people would stop talking about “the lab leak theory,” which she called a theory with “racist roots.”
John Maynard Keynes wrote long ago that when the facts change, one’s views change. I don’t know all the facts. Do you, FLERP?
I’m not aware of any facts that have changed since May 2021 that would make someone who thought that the lab leak theory was racist is no longer racist.
People make mistakes. It’s no crime. I used to think that school choice would lift all boats. I was wrong. Maybe that’s why I tend to be generous to people who make a mistake and own up to it. The ones I don’t get are those who know better but continue to defend their error.
“Chinese Virus”. “Kung Flu”.
It is shocking to hear FLERP!’s denial that there might have been any coincidence that the people blaming the virus on an INTENTIONAL lab leak early on before there was any real evidence to support it were not exhibiting any racism at all.
It is shocking to hear FLERP! denying the existence of any racist roots in the lab theory.
The people who did not believe there was anything at all racist about Trump using terms like “Chinese Virus” and “Kung Flu” – which I assume includes FLERP! – are definitely angry that the media didn’t help them push their anti-Asian narrative in which they presented with absolute certainty that COVID was caused by a lab leak years before there was any evidence to support it.
But even today, there is absolutely no certainty as to what the origin is, except there is now more evidence that a lab leak could be the source,although even the non-racist people who have always thought a lab leak was possible are still saying it is far from certain.
The great thing about Biden is that this administration has continued to be open to the science and is constantly considering and re-considering the evidence.
It is not cute when folks pretend they never noticed the racism in the people promoting the lab leak theory AS A CERTAINTY long before there was evidence to support it.
And Turley’s criticism of the media for “only” reporting the lab leak as a remote possibility instead of copying the far right media using racist slurs who presented it as a certainty is typical Turley pandering to his bosses at Fox News, which we all now know intentionally deceives their viewers for ratings.
Diane Ravitch,
You are absolutely right and I have no idea why flerp! is defending the false innuendo that the liberal media censored this.
Back in September of 2021, Scientific American published a long piece about the lab leak theory and the author wrote an excellent Washington Post article about it.
Her fair minded presentation back in 2021 is an excellent contrast with the attempt to sow anger by those who often amplify false right wing narratives designed to sow anger, like flerp! and Jonathan Turley.
From the Washington Post:
“But what do we do when evidence suggests that a claim might be right, even if the person making it has been repeatedly wrong? Here it’s helpful to distinguish between two forms of the lab-leak theory: the malevolent and the accidental. The malevolent version holds that China deliberately released the virus. I know of no credible scientists who embrace that idea, and it strikes me as unlikely because politicians with even the most meager understanding of pandemics would realize that any deliberately released virus would affect China as much as or more than the countries to which they hoped to spread it.
The accidental version holds that the virus got out by mistake. Here things get trickier but more plausible. Even institutions that take great safety precautions still sometimes fail. Just think about the nuclear power industry, where serious accidents have occurred in Japan, the Soviet Union, the U.K., the U.S., Canada, France, Belgium, Sweden and Argentina and minor or moderate accidents in most countries where nuclear power is used. Or consider railroads, where major accidents still occur every year; the most deadly accident in U.S. railroad history occurred in Tennessee in 1918, almost 100 years after the industry got started.
The late Yale University sociologist Charles Perrow developed the theory of “normal accidents” to explain this phenomenon. People are human. We all make mistakes. Fortunately, our mistakes are often minor and can be easily corrected. But in complex technological systems, small mistakes may rapidly ramify and compound into large problems. When people don’t know how to fix their mistakes—and are perhaps embarrassed or ashamed—they may try to cover them up, impeding the ability of those around them to fix the problem, too.
It’s not hard to imagine that a COVID researcher made a small mistake and tried to hide it, and things then spiraled out of control. It doesn’t mean this is what happened, but it does mean we should keep an open mind until we know more. The lab-leak theory is plausible, and it is rational for scientific institutions to investigate closely, even if some of the people promoting the claim are irrational.
Life is short, research is expensive and not every theory is worth pursuing. But when the stakes are high, it generally behooves scientists to look closely at any idea that has not yet been properly evaluated. If there is credible evidence that the SARS-CoV-2 virus may have escaped from a lab—in China or anywhere else—that evidence should be evaluated, even if we first heard the message from an untrustworthy messenger. ”
In fact, the reason the lab leak theory is now getting more coverage is thanks to the Biden Administration taking an open mind instead of trying to exaggerate findings the way Turley does to mislead the public into believing a certainty that simply does not yet exist.
The politicization of science by the right is a huge danger. I have no idea why folks like Turley and flerp! are attacking those who doubt it BUT STILL KEPT AN OPEN MIND. That’s how science is supposed to work.
Instead we have agitators trying to sow anger because the media didn’t report this theory was a certainty. The scientific consensus has remained the same – we don’t know but as evidence arises, the likelihood of different origins will change.
For Turley to criticize that while overlooking the far more dangerous hyping of lies by his own network should be astonishing, but given his history,it is not.
Even now, there is no consensus among government agencies about where or how the virus started.
Yes, Trump used anti-Asian slurs to describe the virus, like Kung Flu. He was a master at turning everything into a way of belittling some ethnic minority.
flerp! intentionally posted a nearly 2 year old tweet from an Asian American reporter Apoorva Mandavilli, and attacked her because the reporter referred to the “racist roots” of the lab theory. Is flerp! now going on record as denying any racist roots to how that theory was amplified as highly likely by the right wing media? Why is flerp! criticizing the other media for accurately presenting the lab leak theory as one theory among others that were all being investigated as plausible, and for informing their readers that the right wing media’s certainty about the lab leak theory was absolutely unwarranted and had racist origins?
Because I looked up coverage of earlier virus epidemics and no one was immediately demanding that the media amplify a theory that happened to be appealing to far right racists before there was any evidence. But flerp! joins the far right in attacking the media for not amplifying a theory presented by racists at a time when there was little evidence to support it and more evidence to support other theories. Why?
Why did flerp! find it so objectionable that an Asian American reporter would refer to the “racist roots” of the lab theory?
The lab leak theory didn’t have to be racist. But for flerp! to deny that the theory was promoted malevolently by racists looking to get political mileage long before there was any evidence to support it not just disingenuous, but complicit.
The media downplayed the lab leak theory because it downplayed ALL theories about the origins because no one knew. But the right wing amplified the lab leak theory, so that any attempt to correct the record about the lack of evidence for the lab leak was treated by the right wing media as “bias”. That’s really what flerp! is criticizing. He agrees with the right wing media that the rest of the media should have amplified their racist certainty before there was evidence to support it instead of after there was evidence to support it.
The media was telling people that they did not know the cause, and there was not yet evidence to support to far right RACIST innuendo that it was a lab leak from China. The only reason the mainstream media had to address the lack of evidence for the lab leak theory is because the far right media was telling the public something that was unsupported by evidence was absolutely true.
Mt Sinai did research on the 2009 swine flu origins and came out with a study IN 2016. Seven years later. That study found origins in Mexico. It wasn’t politicized. No right wing media was braying in 2009 that they already knew the source and that the media should have joined them in scapegoating Mexico in 2009.
It still may turn out that a lab leak isn’t the cause. Yet we live in a world where even speaking of the uncertainties of science gets you attacked by the right wing and the useful idiots we have here who defend their false narratives by posting links to twitter feeds. And having the chutzpah to deny any anti-Asian racism in the fact that the right wing media amplified this theory as true when they had no evidence it was.
From the beginning of the pandemic, people demanded answers when there were none. How did COVID start? Why don’t we have vaccines? Should people wear masks? Is it transmitted by contact or through the air? Should schools be open or closed? Are young children immune? Are the vaccines safe?
We know more now than we did at the beginning, but some people have never accepted any answer.
Murdoch media includes the New York Post and Fox.
Maria, you should better inform yourself by avoiding right wing propaganda. Common Cause, the Center for Media and Democracy, Mother Jones and lots of other publications have real investigative journalists.
My only question is why do3es this even matter? Isn’t this like trying to put everything back into Pandora’s box. We now have a pandemic that is currently endemic killing between. 200 and 400 Americans a day. Shouldn’t we be focused on saving lives and learning how to combat pandemics in the future?