The U.S. Supreme Court struck downNew York’s century-old concealed-carry gun law Thursday, removing restrictions on carrying guns in public and delivering a win to gun enthusiasts. The 6-3 ruling, which has been anticipated in the conservative-leaning court, makes it harder for officials to prevent civilians from carrying firearms in public without a permit by striking down New York’s rule that prospective gun-toters have “proper cause” to carry a weapon.
New York has long had separate measures in place to grant gun ownership for the home and for concealed carry in public.
The state’s top officials vowed to regroup and enact new measures to shore up New York’s gun control laws after the ruling Thursday, which kicks some decision-making back to a lower court and opens up new potential room for states to define “sensitive locations” where they will prohibit guns, like schools, courts, and, perhaps, subways, sports venues, and beyond.
Governor Kathy Hochul, Senate Majority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins, and Assembly Speaker Carl Heastie, all Democrats, vowed to return to Albany to pass additional legislation. “I’m prepared to call the Legislature back into session to deal with this. We’ve been in contact with the leadership. We’re just looking at dates,” Hochul said.
Lawmakers are looking at ways to strengthen existing permitting requirements, enable private businesses to ban guns, and increase the number of areas deemed “sensitive locations,” where the Court left the carve-out for restricting guns. Hochul signed Alyssa’s LawThursday, requiring schools to consider installing silent panic alarms as part of their security systems following the mass shooting in a Texas elementary school last month.
The New York City Council will hold an oversight hearing on “access to firearms” on Friday — Council Speaker Adrienne Adams and Council members on Thursday called on the state to make virtually all of New York City a sensitive location to prohibit concealed carry in the five boroughs.
Attorney General Letitia James and a number of prosecutors around the state, including in New York City, vowed to examine the ruling and look for ways to limit the dangers of guns proliferating in public.
Mayor Eric Adams said the city was reviewing its definition of “sensitive locations, and the city’s own gun license application process in light of the ruling. “Put simply, this Supreme Court ruling will put New Yorkers at further risk of gun violence,” the mayor said in a statement.
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What good do “silent alarms” do in school when the cops (“good guys with guns”) are too afraid to confront the shooter?
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The whole point of the silent alarms is so they won’t disturb the sleeping police.
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It’s a given that whatever the legislature comes up with will immediately be challenged in court. So the legislature should shoot for the stars with as burdensome an application process as possible—something that requires a lot of firearms training, for one thing.
Hopefully the legislature will come up with a law that requires
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ConservativeTaliban-leaning courtFixed.
The Taliban love guns. That, and keeping their women hidden in the bedroom.
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It is a sad state of affairs when access to weapons is more valued than the rights of women in many states.
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What these states desire most is access to guns AND access to women.
They just don’t want their women to have any access to contraception or abortion before or after (respectively) the men’s access.
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As I said , it’s a Taliban-leaning court.
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Think I exaggerate?
Try living for awhile in a state like Utah or Arizona.
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It’s like going back 150 years or more.
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And if you happen to be LGBTQ, for God’s sake don’t tell anyone — not even your partner.
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You are correct. One of the things I find so frustrating today is my inability to articulate to my friends who are outraged about the abortion decision is how it is just one important of an overall strategy to delegitimize American government as we have come to know it. Too often I am accused of belittling women’s rights when my intent is exactly the opposite. What many on the left and center do not understand is how this issue is inextricably bound with a variety of issues. If you sign up for one, you sign up for all. The best description of this was in a bio of Jack Brooks I read last year:
“Coalescing these voters into a unified identity would be one of the political masterstrokes of the century. Enjoying firearms would soon become an ideal that implicitly meant believing corporate tax rates were too high. If you found government operations to be too invasive and costly, you were also expected to be firmly anti-choice. Some low-income Americans would soon be coaxed into believing that a highly exclusionary political agenda given the cleverly deceptive moniker “trickle down economics” was in their best interests.”
People opposing the GOP agenda generally do not understand this truth. Nothing is about one issue anymore and once Democrats get the message, they might be able to do something. Hence my continued pessimism.
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Utah’s extremely severe abortion law which bans abortion except in very limited circumstances* just went into effect, not incidentally.
*If there is a threat of death or severe bodily impairment to the mother
Or
If the fetus has a defect that is “uniformly diagnosable and uniformly lethal,” or “has a severe brain abnormality that is uniformly diagnosable.” Does not include Down syndrome, spina bifida, cerebral palsy or any condition “that does not cause an individual to live in a mentally vegetative state.”
If the pregnancy was caused by a rape or incest but only if the rape was reported to law enforcement or proper authorities
The law went into effect Friday, triggered by the SC decision.
Utah was pretty bad when I left a quarter century ago, but they have actually continued to decline ever since.
Any young woman would have to be insane to move there.
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But if they want to live in a Taliban caliphate, who am I to stop them?
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If people choose to live in a Taliban caiphate, we can’t stop them.
But I don’t want them to impose their choices on me.
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I read a book once by author Terry Tempest Williams and I will never forget the way she characterized the treatment of women by men in Utah:
She said “The men put the women on a pedestal — and then ask them to sit down on it”
Anyone who disagrees can take it up with Terry
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Incest is a problem in Utah (and a lot of it undoubtedly goes unreported)
But I seriously doubt many women will get an abortion in that case because in the kind of male dominated climate there, a lot of women will simply not admit it occurred.
Reporting incest is always difficult but in Utah is extra difficult.
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Get another reason for women not to move to Utah
Utah ranked 11 nationally in rate for rape, sexual assault
https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-ranked-11-nationally-in-rates-of-sexual-assault
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The right is trying to imprint the rest of us with their values and morals. They are trying to impose a cultural shift on the rest of the country. They are using the super majority on SCOTUS to whip the rest of the country into submission. Whatever happened to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It shouldn’t be a one size fits all mandate.
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I suspect that their efforts are going to backfire big time.
A lot of people will simply leave states like Texas and Utah and others will avoid them like the plague.
The issue is not even really abortion, but the idea that you can tell women how they have to live.
Most women have come too far to turn the clock back 50 years (or more in the case of Utah) go live in a repressive Taliban state when they have lots of other options.
Personally, I think blue states should take advantage of a huge opportunity and try to attract residents and businesses to their states.
In the end, these backward states are going to be left in the dustbin of history.
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Putin must be thrilled that Trump delivered three justices that are delivering the intended chaos with an even greater divide in this country than ever before.
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Maybe.
But nobody is forcing states like Utah and Texas to pass the sort of Sharia law that they have. If people and businesses leave, the states only have themselves to blame.
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Our country was divided long before Trump .
Trump is the outcome, not the cause.
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It was always a synergy of Right Wing Billionaires pushing broad Culture wars for Economic self gain. The Libertarian Right dating back almost to Brown . Abortion was merely a foil for segregation and a right wing agenda, Several decades after Brown . How can one be anti life ?
As Nancy MacLean details. If an overreaching Federal Government can tell us how to treat “Our Negroes ” imagine how thy could impact commerce . Thus the intellectual roots of the Koch Libertarian Right birthed at University of Virginia later to spin off George Mason University at the same time as Virginia Public Schools get closed to avoid de segregation.
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Here’s what Utah state Rep Karianne Lisonbee said today
“I got a text message today saying I should seek to control men’s ejaculations and not women’s pregnancies … I do trust women enough to control when they allow a man to ejaculate inside of them and to control that intake of semen”
A perfect example of why I left Utah a quarter century ago and never went back.
The people running the state are absolutely bonkers.
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I said above that young woman would have to be insane to actually move there.
But actually, anyone of any age would have to be insane to move there.
There must be something in the air or water that affects your brain and I just pray to Dog I didn’t take in enough of it to catch whatever the hell it is.
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Then again, maybe it’s genetic so I’m safe.
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You gotta see it to believe it, SD(H)P:
https://crooksandliars.com/2022/06/utah-republican-says-she-trusts-utah-women
From novel by Willem Fredrik Hermans: “Those who only think are only half in touch with themselves. Seeing is more valuable, seeing is everything. Seeing yourself as someone else would be salvation, but you always stay on the wrong side.”
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Utah State birth control policy:
“control when they allow a man to ejaculate inside of them and to control that intake of semen”
The tragic part is that it’s no joke for the millions of women who live there.
And not just for the women. I don’t think Utah state officials appreciate it, but the almost total abortion ban is surely going to have a negative impact on tourism (national park visits, skiing, etc) in Utah
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The Supreme Court is NOT supreme:
As Thomas Jefferson, author of our Declaration of Independence, pointed out: “The question whether the [Supreme Court] judges are invested with exclusive authority to decide on the constitutionality of a law…there is not a word in the Constitution which has given that power to them more than to the Executive or Legislative branches.”
The actual minutes of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 as recorded by our Father of the Constitution, James Madison document that when writing Article III, the intent of and the understanding among the delegates was that “the jurisdiction given [to the Supreme Court] was constructively LIMITED TO CASES OF A JUDICIARY NATURE” and did not include issues of constitutionality.
Founding Father Jefferson also pointed out the very real danger to our republic of allowing the Supreme Court the non-constitutional power to decide the constitutionality of laws: “Our judges are as honest as other men and not more so,” Jefferson noted. “They have with others the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps…and their power is all the more dangerous because they are in office for life and are not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots” and “Experience has already shown that the impeachment it [our Constitution] has provided is not even a scare-crow…The Constitution on this hypothesis is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please.”
Since the Constitution does NOT give the Supreme Court any authority to decide on the constitutionality of laws, where did the Court seize the authority that it claims to have? Well, the Court GAVE ITSELF that alleged authority in its Marbury v. Madison ruling.
Must be nice to give yourself constitutional authority that the Constitution doesn’t give you.
When the Court gave itself that unconstitutional authority, Jefferson sadly said that it was “the end of our democracy.”
He was right, as is clear today.
So the time has now come for We the People to either accept that our democracy is ended by a despotic Supreme Court, or to put the Supreme Court back into its constitutional place of deciding only judiciary cases.
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It’s amazing that states can’t regulate guns but they can sure control the fetus.
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Are they controlling the fetus?
Or is the fetus controlling them?
Guns may threaten us, but the fetus will defeat us.
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The Fetus will Defeat us
The Fetus is a genius
Protected in the womb
The fetus wants to lead us
To Civil war and doom
The fetus has defenders
Militia by it’s side
They’re embryo avengers
Intending to divide
The fetus does’nt feed us
But simply sucks us dry
The fetus will defeat us
Unless we do defy
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The Fetus has enrolled us
To do the Fetus will
The Fetus has cajoled us
To sacrifice and kill
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Just proves the SC members who voted for this unethical gun usage are. . .
. . . unethical themselves. . .
. . . in more ways than one being shown in the last few weeks.
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This just in: Supreme Court rules 6-3 that students must genuflect before images of Jesus on toast.
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This just in: Supreme Court rules 6-3 that treating colon cancer violates the rights of cancer cells.
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Oops! The Supremely Illegitimate Court forgot that cities are supposed to be places of life and liberty same as courtrooms and airports. Can they get a mulligan? A do over? Can we call erasies?
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“Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of illegitimate Presidential electors”
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Happiness is a warm, smoking gun.
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Happiness is a warm smoking gun, in the hands of a fetus
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Second amendment womb rights, you know
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Fetal self defense, in case some abortion doctor tries to pull a fast one.
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Gun companies are missing out on a huge opportunity: fetal firearms (aka fetusarms)
The profit margins would be very large since material requirements for miniature fetusarms would be very small.
They could use desktop 3-D printers to print them out in the millions.
And use feminine suppositories like tampons (Rambons?) to get the fetusarms into the hands of those who need it.
“Does your fetus live in constant fear of being ripped from it’s happy home? Get our FetusAR, made especially with the needs of the fetus in mind. Your fetus will be infinitely calmer and so will you”
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I don’t understand why the comments here have wandered off into the abortion decision. Maybe we are all still trying to digest that latest stomach-punch. But let’s get back to the SCOTUS decision that NYS’ gun control is “too restrictive” when it comes to permits for carrying weapons outside one’s home. They are basically saying, the self-defense motive obtains as well when you are walking around outside your home: taking the subway to work, walking down the street, etc.
Have you ever walked down the street in Manhattan, or in the subway to get there? I lived in Manhattan for 5 yrs then Brooklyn for 12 yrs [while working in Manhattan a # of those yrs, & even after, continuing to visit longtime drs & dentist in midtown Manhattan.] For those who haven’t experienced this, I don’t know how to describe it other than to tell you that you have to have all your wits about you to avoid bumping into people, because the entire wide sidewalk between bldgs & street is occupied for its entire width and length by body-to-body people.
During my yrs living in Bklyn while working in downtown Manhattan, one of my biggest daily challenges was—back when the WTC still existed— making my way from the F train exit to my S Tower elevators: there was a big spot in-between in where everyone exiting from uptown and downtown & E & W trains from all 5 boroughs were bound in sort of star pattern to their destinations: very wide passages with wall-to-wall people moving counter to each other.
Adding to that maelstrom the possibility that some folks would be ‘carrying’ in purse or pocket for ‘self-defense’ reasons is frankly unimaginable & horribly dangerous.
“Council Speaker Adrienne Adams and Council members on Thursday called on the state to make virtually all of New York City a sensitive location to prohibit concealed carry in the five boroughs.” Yet “In his decision, Thomas rejected New York state’s argument that “the entire island of Manhattan” would qualify as a sensitive location.”
Completely insane.
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Studies show Australia long had a “gun culture” but no longer does, thanks to a series of gun control measures put in place just after their Port Arthur massacre in 1996, & updated regularly since then. A change of culture in less than a quarter-century.
Australia’s laws classify every sort of gun [& restricts them according to the # of rounds of ammo they can accommodate]– & does many other things– but what interests me is that that each classification is regulated according to what reason/ function applies, and there is no classification of weapon for which reason to carry may be self-defense.
Contrast to US. Because of our proliferation of privately-owned guns, self-defense has to be big on our radar, and the primary reason for laws allowing home-stored guns as well as those carried about with us in daily activities, as encouraged by latest SCOTUS decision. NRA-funded Republican laws want to make that about defending ourselves against criminals, but the practical results are more accidental deaths, more public shoot-outs that didn’t have to happen, more suicides by gun.
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The essential difference between Australia and the US is that, quite unlike the US, Australia also has a brain culture that makes them capable of rational thought and necessary changes in behavior.
Not only don’t we have brains, but we also have a completely dysfunctional Congress and a completely rogue Supreme Court which derives it’s primary power (the power of judicial review) not from the Constitution but from the ass of a single Justass back in 1803* and regularly makes decisions not based on the US Constitution but on the “constitutions” of the individual Just-asses (ie, naked religious ideology), who believe, among other things that Corporations are “persons” , that the Second amendment means every person (and of course, corporation) has the right to carry around (concealed) bazookas and other military weapons and that the Establishment clause of the Constitution is unConstitutional (that Separation of Church and state is simply a quaint custom of the past.)
And to top it off, we have a former president waiting in the wings who tried to take over the country and failed only because he is a moron and happened to have a few people around him who were not morons that refused to go along with his coup. But make no mistake, he or perhaps his younger, smarter evil twin (DeSatanist) will be back because we also have a dysfunctional Attorney General and at at least half a country of people who still follow the Twins like robots, believe that the Constitution guarantees them ” Guns, Ammo and the pursuit of Protestors” and that a fetus should be treated far better than a person.
There is not a single brain cell in the house.
And the tragic part is that most of our leaders don’t even care. They are quite clearly far more interested in holding onto power and generating campaign dollars.
Don’t believe me? Read the Constitution. There is no power of” judicial review” granted to the Supreme Court by the Constitution. John Marshall just made that up and the Supreme Court has been operating without that authority ever since. Let that sink in. The Supreme Court of the land is making decisions about constitutionality of laws and rules and even the powers of the other branches of government and is doing it UN(extra)Constitutionally. But of course, no one gives a damn. Either that or, what is far more likely, they just don’t know it because they have never even read the Constitution.
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Australia must have had some decent representatives with a conscience. We seem to have few of these.
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The RepubliQan Party makes a lot more sense when viewed as gun salespeople.
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Perhaps all of the recent decisions are designed to create disruptions. There is this philosophical bent on the part of some in our country that disruption is fundamentally good. Maybe disruption advocates have bought off the Supremes.
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I agree. If we think that Trump is a Russian asset, then we can believe that the chaos is by design. Americans fight each other while Putin steals Ukraine. We have always been divided, but these Trump court decisions bring us to a greater divide. BTW the NRA funneled Russian money into the Trump campaign during the 2016 election. I am simply speculating that Russian money is behind a lot of the dissension via the Trump administration. I am simply suggesting the possibility.
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This stuff (eg, overturn of Roe, money to religious schools, nixing gun control) has been in the works for decades and it is not simply disruption (which would be random) but the result of careful planning and strategizing and geared toward specific goals.
It was planned back when Trump was just a young playboy palling around with Epstein and interested only in women, money and salami sandwiches.
Trump and Putin entered the stage fairly late in the play and though Trump obviously greatly accelerated the process, he did not start it.
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Side note: From what I’ve seen, a lot of public defenders are applauding this Supreme Court decision (and some supported the plaintiffs with amicus briefs) on the basis that NY’s licensing and carry laws had a disproportionate negative impact on blacks and other “people of color.”
Click to access Supreme-Court-Strikes-Down-the-Carry-Provision-of-New-York-State%E2%80%99s-Gun-Licensing-Scheme.pdf
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