Steven Singer tries to understand today’s public schools through the eyes of an “original story,” someone who judges court cases based on the original intent of those who wrote the Constitution.
He writes:
Let’s say you went to a restaurant and ordered a big ol’ meat sandwich only to find nothing but straw between two pieces of bread.
“Waiter!” You say, calling over a server.
“What’s wrong, Sir?”
“There’s no meat in my sandwich.”
“Oh, Sir?” He says smiling, examining your plate. “Here at Scalia’s Bar and Grill we adhere to a strict originalist interpretation of language.”
“What does that have to do with my sandwich?”
“Well, Sir, in Old English ‘meat’ meant any solid food, anything other than drink. As in ‘A Journey to the Western Islands of Scotland’ (1775), Samuel Johnson noted, ‘Our guides told us, that the horses could not travel all day without rest or meat.’”
“But that’s not what I ordered!”
“Oh yes it is, Sir. You ordered the meat sandwich. Enjoy your fresh hay and oats.”
In everyday life, you wouldn’t put up with that kind of nonsense.
But for some reason, far right ideologues think it’s exactly the right way to interpret the U.S. Constitution.
The meanings of words change over time.
But ignoring that fact allows disingenuous crackpots to sweep over centuries of judicial precedent in favor of what they pretend to THINK the words meant at the time the law was written.
It’s not even about what the writers of the law SAID it meant. It’s about what today’s justices decide some hypothetical average Joe of the distant past would take certain words to mean.
The most obvious example, according to Pulitzer Prize winning historian Joseph Ellis,is District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), which reversed 200 years of precedent on gun regulations.
Before this ruling, the Second Amendment was interpreted to be referring only to service in the militia. The Militia Act of 1792 required each able-bodied male citizen to obtain a firearm (“a good musket or firelock”) so he can participate in the “well regulated militia” the Amendment describes.
It was about the obligation to serve your country, not the right to own a gun. However, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia – the most infamous proponent of judicial originalism – orchestrated the majority opinion in this case changing all that. By doing a thought experiment about what words might have meant in the 1700s, he papered over two centuries of established law. He was so proud of it that he even described it as “my masterpiece.”
THAT’S judicial originalism.
And now that Scalia fanboy and federal judge for not even three whole years, Amy Coney Barrett, is being rammed through Senate Confirmation Hearings, that preposterous ideology is about to have another proponent on the highest court in the land.
Just imagine if we interpreted everything like people living in the 18th Century!
Please continue reading this excellent post.
Reblogged this on dean ramser.
The arguments Steven makes are eerily similar to those of Bob Marshall, a longtime contributor to the Times-Picayune, makes about the environment, especially in Barrett’s home state of Louisiana:
https://www.nola.com/opinions/article_23482f50-0efb-11eb-b2b7-e7b0e0f35ab0.html
Privatization has been advantaged by the view and actions of public education supporters who isolated the enemy as, profit-takers and self-serving “philanthropic” foundations, while omitting from target, powerful, religious power brokers. The virtual black-out of info. about the marriage between Charles Koch and Catholic institutions, about the school preferences of Catholic school graduate, Melinda Gates and, about the politicking of state Catholic Conferences for Ed Choice is one of the most unknown, harmful and successful PR campaigns in modern history.
The culmination is the Biel and Espinosa SCOTUS cases decided by a majority conservative Catholic Supreme Court.
The latest attempt to cover up Catholic public policy interest is in The Atlantic, in an article by Peter Wehner, who is an Atlantic contributing editor and Senior Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. He, like Sasse, threw evangelicals under the bus to distract from the politicking of influential Catholic power brokers. The article title is, “Evangelicals Made a Bad Bargain with Trump”. EPPC’s board includes Leonard Leo, Robert P. George and a member of the advisory board of Catholic University. What bargain did they make with Trump? Mum’s the word. Sourcewatch provides background on EPPC- founded to create a picture of corporations as good citizens, the first neocon institute to target secular humanists, and among the first groups hijacking the GOP.
Odd that, evangelical tribalist backlash isn’t feared but, not so, for the Catholic sect.
First page of articles at EPPC site
“The Hard Road of National Renewal, George Weigel- The Catholic Difference”
Alexandra Desanctis, Notre Dame graduate, writes that Democrats shouldn’t expand the court ( my note – so that the 99% have influence on the judiciary’s decisions).
An article by Ian Lindquist who writes praise for Christopher Columbus. AEI posts his writing. He was headmaster at a charter school and likes classical education.
Stephen P. White, of “The Catholic Thing”, wrote, “The distinctiveness of Barrett’s faith -and the consternation it causes among champions of certain secular pieties- is refreshing.”
Mum’s the word about religious influence…unless it’s evangelicals who can be thrown under the bus for their Trump/GOP support.
Supreme Change
Life’s a beach
And then you die
Court will teach
And then they lie
Supposed to be below
Have a barf bag ready at your side for this, Laura:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/right-wing-videos-public-schools-prageru_n_5f889a29c5b6e9e76fbb6db8
omg!
I would expect an originalist sandwich to have sand in it
Like when you have a picnic on the beach.
Life’s a beach and then you get Brett K and Amy Crony Barrett on the Supreme Court.
Originalist Sandwich
Sand in the wich
Is what they want
Court in the ditch
Is latest taunt
May I add this.
The last two presidents have been as bad or worse than any presidents in history. George W was elected by SCOTUS. Trump by the electoral college.
Hillary won the presidency by 2 million 800 thousand votes. Trump by 80,000 votes scattered over 3 states.
Democracy is supposed to be about the will of the people. The Constitution supports the electoral college. Nuff Sed.
Much as I dislike the electoral college, I also don’t particularly like the idea of the biggest states like Texas, California and NY effectively deciding the outcome.
Quite frankly, I am not overly (or at all) impressed with many of the people that the voters of these states have chosen for governor — and sometimes President (and in many cases, the two are the same).
If Schwarzenegger had been born in the US, we would eventually probably have yet another Gropenator as President. I am sorry. But that fellow is just a muscle headed clown
I know democracy is about the will of the majority but there are quite legitimate reasons for some of the protections afforded in our system for the minority. The “real” reason that some had for supporting the electoral college (eg, so slave states could keep their slaves) may not be the one that they provided, but it is at least plausible that some of those supporting it (eg, in small northern states) were legitimately concerned with being railroaded by the more populous states.
Greater numbers does not necessarily translate to greater intelligence and greater wisdom, as we have seen time and again in places like Texas, NY and California. That’s the very reason I have chosen not to live in any of those states. I once lived in NY but left.
And the folks who voted for Ahhhnold are as stupid as he is, in my opinion.
“I also don’t particularly like the idea of the biggest states like Texas, California and NY effectively deciding the outcome.”
Statements like this almost blow the top off my head. There’s a slight disregard of an essential fact: individuals in those states theoretically have the same rights of all other Americans, you know, citizens. I could also say, with respect to the Senate, I don’t particularly like the the idea of sparsely populated states like Wyoming, Utah and Montana effectively deciding if legislation will be passed or nominations approved. This “states elect the president” crap has to stop.
SDP,
I am inclined to believe the electoral college has outlived its usefulness. Every governor is chosen by majority vote. Why shouldn’t the president be chosen by majority vote? The electoral college gave us Rutherford B. Hayes, who ended Reconstruction too soon and set off a wave of violence against freed blacks. It gave us George W. Bush instead of Al Gore, who had more popular votes. It gave us Donald J. Trump, who fell short by almost 3 million votes.
If majority vote is good enough for governors, it should be good enough to elect the president.
Alexander Hamilton explained in Federal Paper #68 that the people should not directly choose the President but instead choose wise men who will then have that power. You can read that he and others were fearful of a democratic mob swayed by a demagogue. This is an excerpt:
THE mode of appointment of the Chief Magistrate of the United States is almost the only part of the system, of any consequence, which has escaped without severe censure, or which has received the slightest mark of approbation from its opponents. The most plausible of these, who has appeared in print, has even deigned to admit that the election of the President is pretty well guarded.1 I venture somewhat further, and hesitate not to affirm, that if the manner of it be not perfect, it is at least excellent. It unites in an eminent degree all the advantages, the union of which was to be wished for.
It was desirable that the sense of the people should operate in the choice of the person to whom so important a trust was to be confided. This end will be answered by committing the right of making it, not to any preestablished body, but to men chosen by the people for the special purpose, and at the particular conjuncture.
It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.
It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief. The choice of SEVERAL, to form an intermediate body of electors, will be much less apt to convulse the community with any extraordinary or violent movements, than the choice of ONE who was himself to be the final object of the public wishes. And as the electors, chosen in each State, are to assemble and vote in the State in which they are chosen, this detached and divided situation will expose them much less to heats and ferments, which might be communicated from them to the people, than if they were all to be convened at one time, in one place.
Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.
Another and no less important desideratum was, that the Executive should be independent for his continuance in office on all but the people themselves. He might otherwise be tempted to sacrifice his duty to his complaisance for those whose favor was necessary to the duration of his official consequence. This advantage will also be secured, by making his re-election to depend on a special body of representatives, deputed by the society for the single purpose of making the important choice.
All these advantages will happily combine in the plan devised by the convention; which is, that the people of each State shall choose a number of persons as electors, equal to the number of senators and representatives of such State in the national government, who shall assemble within the State, and vote for some fit person as President. Their votes, thus given, are to be transmitted to the seat of the national government, and the person who may happen to have a majority of the whole number of votes will be the President. But as a majority of the votes might not always happen to centre in one man, and as it might be unsafe to permit less than a majority to be conclusive, it is provided that, in such a contingency, the House of Representatives shall select out of the candidates who shall have the five highest number of votes, the man who in their opinion may be best qualified for the office.
The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States. It will not be too strong to say, that there will be a constant probability of seeing the station filled by characters pre-eminent for ability and virtue. And this will be thought no inconsiderable recommendation of the Constitution, by those who are able to estimate the share which the executive in every government must necessarily have in its good or ill administration. Though we cannot acquiesce in the political heresy of the poet who says: “For forms of government let fools contest That which is best administered is best,” yet we may safely pronounce, that the true test of a good government is its aptitude and tendency to produce a good administration.
No Greg, under our system, rights are granted by the Constitution
And the rights granted to individuals in larger states are not the same as those granted to the smaller, in regarding just to election of the President but also to representation. The most obvious example of this is the guarantee of two Senators to all states regardless of population size.
You can deny that all you want , but that will not make it so.
And claiming that the individuals in large states should have precisely the same rights (eg, regarding representation and election of the President) to argue that they do have the same rights is an illogical argument.
The Electoral College gave us Trump, enough said. It should be repealed, abolished, exterminated, liquidated, canceled and flushed down the toilet of history. There was an attempt made in the late 1960s and early 1970s but obviously it flopped because it’s such a heavy lift to actually abolish it. The interstate compact thingy is a much more feasible approach.
Individuals in large states don’t have the same rights regarding representation PER Capita as individuals in small states as the two Senators per state demonstrates.
Not incidentally, the electoral college will be difficult if not impossible to eliminate because most of the smaller states want to maintain their relative (per capita) advantage — which I am the first to admit that they have, under the Constitution.
One person, one vote, what a revolutionary thought. Why do we need some intermediary between the voter and the election process, i.e., the Electoral College. It’s not needed and who are these damn electors anyhow. Who elected them? I have no idea who the NJ electors are, I would have to look it up because none of this is front page news as are the actual candidates. The candidates are in the public eye almost daily while the electors are behind closed doors and out of sight. The E.C. needs to go but of course we are stuck with it for the foreseeable future into infinity.
Not incidentally, there are better — much more practical and far more likely to succeed– ways of addressing the issue (even for essentially emasculating it) than a Constitutional amendment to eliminate it.
What is and should be”
What “should be” can not
Be used to argue what
The facts of matter are
The two are not on par
SDP’s logical fallacies arguing that individuals in some states should have fewer or more rights of representation depending on where they live can currently be seen in a so-called president’s ability to grant some states with COVID-era public policy favorability depending on whether or not he likes their governors. I guess, using SDP’s logic, it is not just their votes that can be quantifiably manipulated according to where they live, but their very lives as well.
John Oliver does a pretty good job of breaking down all the challenges American democracy faces in the Supreme Court episode. He talks specifically about the Electoral College at 15:45. A Constitutional amendment is not going to happen, but there are other ways. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pkpfFuiZkcs
SDP seeks balance so that high-pop states don’t run national policy: we have this already via 2 Senators per state regardless of population. The Senate has become so infamous for blocking legislation preferred by the polled majority of citizens that that constitutional provision has come under question as well. Why double-down via the Electoral College? This article says EC never worked as intended, and details 200 yrs of attempts to change our “Rube Goldberg curiosity” and its “distortions,” ever thwarted by “some states and some constituencies [with] more power than they’d otherwise have” unwilling to give it up. https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/july-august-2020/can-anything-dislodge-the-electoral-college/
Constitutional amendment isn’t likely, but a legislative workaround called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact already has 16 states representing 196 of the minimum 270 electors required signed on. [Wikipedia:] “Once in effect, in each presidential election the participating states would award all of their electoral votes to the candidate with the largest national popular vote total across the 50 states and the District of Columbia.”
Where does SomeDAM Poet live?
I live in a “big state” and I vote as an AMERICAN!!! I don’t think “what is good for the state of New York and its citizens and how can get one over on those “small population states”.
Seriously, I have never heard of anything as outrageous as those who repeat the Trump voter belief that people who live in big blue states have some evil intent.
Apparently, SomeDAM Poet votes according to the wishes of the state in which he lives. But for the rest of us, we see ourselves as AMERICANS.
NYPSP: lass dich umarmen!
Well said. Equal protection under the law is something all Americans should expect and take for granted (not that we can). Equal representation under law is the same. Money, geography, etc., be damned.
The US has 435 Congresspeople (based on population) and 100 senators (per state). This sounds fair. 😐
The only time big versus little matters is sports and maybe, certain occupations.😐
Big and little state populations really shouldn’t matter in a presidential election, considering we are all Americans. 🙂
Trump also met the office requirements of birth, age, residency and no convictions. Those are pretty thin requirements. 😐
The Second Amendment obviously states that each person has the right to have arms like a Grizzly. I bet Sarah Palin i worried.
LMAO
Ed reform’s “contribution” to public education in the pandemic:
“This isn’t about the good intentions of district officials or teachers. And it isn’t about bombastic claims that public schools are “failing” or that public systems should be blown up. The issue, rather, is that universalist “public” systems aren’t delivering what was promised. This makes it harder for those who would denounce school choice’s tapestry of options as an inadequate or immoral alternative to make their case.”
They write editorials promoting charter and private schools and bashing public schools. That’s the sum total effort they made on behalf of the 50 million students in public schools during a pandemic.
If you’re hiring these folks in government I hope you’re not planning on getting any work out of them that might actually benefit a public school student or school- they don’t do any. Go do a quick review of the ed reform efforts on behalf of public school students in this pandemic- there aren’t any.
They sat in their think tanks, saw public schools struggling to deal with the virus, and all responded by doubling down on the privatization cheerleading. They offer nothing.
https://www.educationnext.org/covid-19-has-capsized-case-against-school-choice/
“Education Next
Education Next is a quarterly journal that bases its editorial policy on the premise that the education sector is ripe for major change and reform.”
This is out of Harvard, right?
This insanely wealthy, wildly expensive university cannot come up with a single positive effort or idea to offer public schools or public school students in a pandemic.
Nothing. The Best and the Brightest in ed reform and the absolute best they have to offer is the same old privatization and public school bashing they’ve been churning out for 20 years. Every one of these groups could shut down tomorrow and there isn’t a public school student or family in this country who would notice they were gone.
Education Next is run by Paul Peterson of Harvard Kennedy School and financed to a large degree by the Hoover Institution. Peterson is a zealous proponent of charters, vouchers, and anything but public schools. The journal is deeply “reformist” in that it is anti-public school.
the key behind the message
Hoover Institute is bad for America – Scott Atlas whose tweet against masks was pulled, Chester Finn, Hanushek and the list goes on.
Linda:
https://crooksandliars.com/2020/10/dr-birx-tells-mike-pence-she-wants-dr
Truth is irrelevant at Hoover.
I must admit that I am an originalist. The Constitution says nothing about federally mandatory standardized testing or about federally funding charter schools and vouchers. Over. Done. Originally.
“Yet their training is in law, not literacy or antiquity. They’re not linguists or historians. They don’t have some shortcut to what people used to mean by these words. They’re just playing with the language to make it mean what they want it to mean so they can rule however they so choose.”
One’s mind jumps immediately to the deplorable emphasis in CCSS-ELA on “close reading”—which is textualism. Somehow what the author had in mind as evidenced by xyz details of style and form reigns supreme over the content expressed, its historical context, how it strikes the reader, what message it has for today. Gosh it’s so much easier to devise computer-correctable aligned tests that way!
And of course, hard to avoid the comparison to fundamentalists and their literal interpretations of the Bible.
There is also something about this issue that reminds me of the dual roles of Torah and Talmud in Judaism: how do you separate them? Per wiki Talmud is “the central text of Rabbinic Judaism and the primary source of Jewish religious law and theology… the written record of an oral tradition. It provides an understanding of how laws are derived, and it became the basis for many rabbinic legal codes and customs…” Jews correct me if I’ve got it wrong: my understanding is that it was only in very early times that some sects actually argued that the oral tradition was irrelevant to the “real” or written law. One doesn’t throw out centuries of scholarly rabbinical discussion and interpretation. Humans interpret. It is our nature to draw from tradition to guide new decisions made necessary by new conditions– thus creating new tradition.
People of Praise (Amy Barrett’s cult members) don’t see much new going on with women’s roles from the way men have interpreted them based on the religious narrative. Neither do the conservative Catholic men in the judiciary and Leo Leonard and Neil Cockery who gave those judges their positions
Mum’s the word.
Beautifully said, Ginny!
Bethree5: now that I have read that, I feel like a person who has been to class. Thanks.
It’s long past time for a constitutional amendment to protect LGBTQ marriage rights. CON-ey Barrett, I’m looking at you!
I was reflecting during the hearings in which Barrett was being questioned: She is right about one thing. There are many things the court has ruled on recently that would have been better addressed by legislation, whether by the amendment process or by enforcement of the constitution as written.
Among these thins are the right of privacy where medical attentions are deemed necessary by the patient in consultation with their doctor, the right of privacy where personal relationships are concerned, and the right of privacy where thinking and believing is involved. All three of these might be easily turned into a generally applied amendment that would broadly define the right of individual privacy in an increasingly public existence forced on human population.
The conservatives have been gunning for the right to privacy for a long time now. I agree. It’s time to make this explicit with an amendment.
I agree with you in theory about legislation, Roy. The rub is that Congress has done little legislating in the past 30 years, and nothing in the past 10. We are employing about 30,000 people on Capitol Hill and 3-4 are making all the decisions, which translates into nothing. Gridlock is not even an appropriate term anymore.
So far, only Lesbians and Gays have married. I haven’t heard of a Bisexual marriage, with a man marrying a man and woman OR a woman marrying a man and woman. Nobody knows if someone is transgendered, unless someone says so. I haven’t heard of any transgendered marriages either. 😐
Just wait, LOL.
The value of public schools-
ESPN reported, “Iowa’s Kirk Ferentz admits ‘blind spot’ on black players’ issues…”.
The Iowa Hawkeye’s Head coach attended a Catholic High School in Chicago.
Hi Linda. 🙂 Kirk’s Wikipedia page says he played football, at a PA highschool. 😐
BleacherReport, “Why Ferentz doesn’t fit at Notre Dame …Ferentz is Catholic (for what its worth)…”. The Bleacher writer’s criticism focused on extrovert vs. low key style of media and alumni communication.
Thank you for the correction, Eddie. My error was a misread of a biography, specifically one of the chapters of the book, “What it means to be a Hawkeye, Kirk Ferentz and….”. The chapter that began, “I am a graduate of a Catholic High School”, was about a white player earlier in Hawkeye history.
James Daniels, a former Hawkeye player, who is black recently tweeted, “There are too many racial disparities in the Iowa football program. Black players have been treated unfairly for too long.”
Based on comments reported in the media, many would suspect a culture exists in the Hawkeye football program.
My reply is in moderation, Eddie.
Where are these Catholic schools that are a threat to public schools? 😐
In Cook County (Chicago & suburbs), Catholic schools are always merging or closing. 😐
ya got me, Eddie. But then I’m in a bubble I guess. Around here (north-central NJ), the RC grammar schools have been been closing regularly since I moved here 30 yrs ago. We have one RC K-8 in our town enrolling 266 students – 5% of the pubsch K-8 enrollment 4360. (Local RC churchgoers are about 22% of total Christian congregants).
So I did a rundown of the county, population 564k— nearly 50% [225k] of whom are Roman Catholics! The county has 866 public high schools, but only 8 RC hischs, enrolling a total of 2450 students. Not a threat to public schools.
I gather from Linda’s posts however that there’s a large network of private Catholic schools in rust belt cities clamoring for public funding.
Learning from the past to forecast the future – adding to bethree’s final sentence-
(1) SCOTUS case, Espinosa v. Montana-
(2) The time period that current GOP decision makers in state capitols and D.C. attended school (old white guys)- their desire to turn back the clock-
(3) The political clout and financial resources libertarians like Koch and Gates are providing for privatization’s success e.g. state Catholic Conferences working with AFP and EdChoice-
If a person believes that opposition to abortions and to gay rights has nothing to do with power brokers who are conservative religious, the connecting dot would be missing. If a person believes that Biel v. St. James Catholic Church has nothing to do with conservative religion, again, the connecting dot would be missing. If a person believes that the appointments of Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett have nothing to do with the conservative religious, again the connecting dot would be missing. If a person believes that Peter Thiel, Leonard Leo, and their associates are no threat to women’s rights, again, the connecting dot would be missing. If a person believes that a politician like Trump would be elected without conservative religion’s support, again the connecting dot is missing. (Steve Bannon saw the connecting dot.)
My reply is in moderation, bethree
A clarification for some on the east coast- many cities in the midwest, in Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Michigan,… do not dismiss themselves as “rust belt” e.g. Columbus and Dayton Ohio, Bloomington and Indianapolis, Ind., Ann Arbor, Mich. Pittsburg, Pa.,…
Hi bethree5. 😐. Your north central New Jersey statistics show Catholic schools aren’t a threat in your area. 😐
In Chicago, they’re usually closing or merging. One has to drive or ride a bus far in Chicago (or certain suburbs) to find a Catholic school. 😐
Eddie-
From the school website-
“The founding school of the Cristo Rey Network (chain) is in Chicago, Ill..” The site’s history tab states, “To make it affordable… corporate work study program model for inner city education…students earn 70% of their annual tuition by working 1 day a week for a corporation or non-profit …”. I infer the students return the pay for their work to the school.
In Ohio, a school like Cristo Rey receives $6,000 per student from taxpayers, and, possibly more in Indiana. A Cristo Rey prototype in Calf. has 60 students per class. Media have reported the chain utilizes computerized instruction. The chain has received funding from Gates and Walton heirs.
Linda (11:19am): Hey college towns don’t count! I lived in Ann Arbor for a few years, just 20mins down the road from rust-belt Detroit. Also familiar with Columbus. Both very like the one I was raised in, Ithaca, NY– a liberal bastion in a region which has been a rust belt since 1860. Bloomington: don’t know the place but, 86k pop – plus 50k students! Gotta be another college town. BUT: Looks like that huge U has spawned lots of sci & hi tech biz, which makes for a healthy economy. Agree Indianapolis has definitely cleaned off the rust. Two of my sister’s Ithaca-townie kids ended up there for jobs. Dayton looks similar (just scanning Wikipedia].
Pittsburgh is the very definition of rust belt, whatever newbies call themselves. Pop dropped by 45% between 1950-1990, and another 23% since then. Despite its admirable re-creation, there are still plenty of oldsters in W & SW PA who were shoved out of a long-thriving blue-collar economy & won’t soon forget it.
Thanks for considering nuance, bethree.
In my experience, many Easterners recognize that Boston is no longer a whaling hub but, don’t give the same respect to cities that don’t sit on the coast or near it.
Excluding college cities?
I don’t know if it’s still true but, in the past, Ohio’s robust public university system attracted a lot of students from N.J. where citizens chose not to invest in a large system of public higher ed.
Thanks Linda. 🙂 Cristo Rey and various monies received sounds bad. ☹️ So far, there’s two Cristo Reys in Chicago. 😐
Linda at 1:25pm: NJ graduates 97k hisch kids/yr currently, which is 25.5% of available seats in its public colleges [379k]. Ohio graduates 123k hisch kids/yr currently, which is 24% of its public college enrollment [510k]. Maybe there’s a better way of comparing, it’s the only way I could think of, but they look the same to me. Perhaps the idea that NJ doesn’t have many public colleges stems from folks being familiar only with Rutgers, but we actually have 33 state colleges incl other stars like The College of NJ, NJIT, Montclair State, et al. It’s just they’re not all rolled into a one-named U so are less well-known to out-of-staters.
Linda at 1:02pm – but I wasn’t just being facetious about upstate-NY having been a rust-belt since 1860. Boston has rebuilt itself many times since being a whaling hub. Upstate-NY was an industrial powerhouse for just one generation, all about the Erie Canal, and since then has been an industrial backwater with few exceptions [Eastman Kodak, BeechNut, IBM—all “once”]. Buffalo (close enough to Detroit to share in auto industry) was the only upstate city that was industrially healthy through most of the 20th C, and is now definitely rust-belt, as are Rochester and Syracuse. Even tho inner-urbs go Dem, it’s pretty much all Trump country. The only upstate county where Clinton won by a stronger margin than Obama had in 2012 was the one where I was raised (w/its college towns). NYS is blue because of NYC.
bethree,
Starting point- “rust belt cities” (declining pop., fewer jobs for those who remain?)
Ending point- Trump votes
The connecting dot(s) between the two? Historically, have-nots have gone with the Democratic Party.
Eddie-
I think it’s damned despicable to take a poor kid’s pay and deny him 20% of his education. And, the people who are responsible vote Republican and encourage the faithful to vote GOP with the result that taxes for the rich are cut, starving the inner city of money. The impact of charter schools and religious schools is detrimental to local economic multiplier effect. The resulting consequence is economic and social devastation.
Bill Gates is a big supporter of Christo Rey schools.
Eddie,
The Cristo Rey chain has schools in 17 states and is expanding.
The schools have been described as designed for impoverished areas.
Linda, yes I understand your views. 😐
Repeating a comment I have made before, Bill Gates “participates in the Catholic Church his wife attends”.
Bethree
How about a measure of state and local support for higher ed operating expenses per capita for each state for each of the past 50 years? It could show us the contrast in spending over time and when changes occurred.
Measures I’ve found suggest N.J. has stepped to the plate but, I don’t know when it began.
Ohio public colleges had seats available and tuition was a bargain before anti-tax Ohio Republicans gained influence and increased tuition.
Pew has a 2017 report that shows composition of revenue per full time student (major funding sources) which shows Ohio and New Jersey are similar in state, local and tuition revenue sources.
Linda, I forgot to say: I think you are totally, exactly on-point here: “The time period that current GOP decision makers in state capitols and D.C. attended school (old white guys)- their desire to turn back the clock-“
Yes indeedy-weedy. This goes directly to the role our many ancient GOP legislators remember Catholic schools played in the ‘60’s-‘70’s. That role had already changed in the late ‘80’s, at which point RC schools in my Bklyn nbhd were already serving widely-diverse ethnicities, many not Catholic—tuitions were still church-supported-low, as flight from congregations was only in beginning stages: this was the beginning of Catholic schools as alternatives for everyone—pre-charters– from overcrowded underfunded pubsch city classrooms. So decision-makers in state [& DC] capitols are already wildly anachronistic in their view of the role of Catholic schools.
But it goes beyond that to their memory of pubsch education, which happened for them & theirs in long-ago white-pop rural & suburban bubbles: they’re oblivious of the degree to which child poverty has infiltrated rural & suburban life, simultaneous w/slashing of state school budgets. Those folks always thought of inner-city pubschs as ‘other’ [black/ minority] & addressed it w/ Title I & grossly-underfunded IDEA. When confronted w/the cognitive dissonance of same issues cropping up for wkg & middle classes, they fall back on conservative-informed tweaks like strict accountability for those lazy dam teachers & publicly-funded school choice [unmonitored poor quality] alternatives.
bethree
Would you connect the “rust belt city” to Trump vote you identified earlier? Interviews with the voters cite abortion as the deciding factor although, I think that masks the true reason for their votes. If religious leaders had rallied voters to Hillary and before her, Gore and Kerry, and to vote for Democratic legislators instead of the GOP, America would be a better place.
Curiously, many Rust Belt districts went for Obama, then flipped to Trump.
Hi Linda – I can only speak for the upstate-NY Trump belt w/any insight. And their attitudes are more classic rural than rust-belt per se: anti-city, anti-‘big’-govt handouts, anti-communist/ socialism. They’ve voted Rep for generations. They’re anti-union too, but as I recall stomached unions pretty well back when we had some mfg plumping the economy. There was never a lot of mfg—historically this is ag region—but until ‘70’s-‘80’s even small cities had local & regional union mfg jobs available. Their loss plunged the area from so-so economy into perpetually declining. So you have that same lingering resentment of relocated/ eventually offshored mfg that’s felt so strongly in the Midwest.
Doubt you’d find that many bible-thumping anti-abortionists tho; not a big church-going culture. [The “Bible Belt” starts south of there, in PA]. Certainly big rust-belt Midwest cities have a lot more Catholics & former union-workers: the US RC church had a long history w/unions & abandoned them just like the Dems did. If I’m not mistaken, midwest also has a history of Evangelism nearly as strong as in the South– but those folks never supported unions as far as I know.
Thanks bethree.
Today, a person described to me an overarching point that may be related to what you wrote? Trump voters have a pattern of compensating. They feel lesser. When they see Trump, they recognize a fellow compensator. The insatiable need to feel good about oneself can’t be denied for too long- a substantial portion of the U.S. population reached the tipping point.
Absolutely pegged it there. That attitude goes to heart of the rural sentiment where I grew up. Chip-on-the-shoulder, defensively proud. Trumpers now, but always Reps: a vast stretch of red underdogs outnumbered by NYC Dems, w/a string of Dems at the helm [plus Rockefeller who was RINO]. There were successful farmers, but ever-declining as big ag swallowed up the sector. Mostly tradesmen & laborers in an economy driven by the colleges: lots of anti-intellectualism which was really resentment of the academics’ comfy middle-class security & [entitled] students. As soon as you got 5mis out of town & beyond, folks barely hanging on to smallbiz & pockets in the hills living ad hoc, bartering to get by. Trailers and shacks. And plenty of others who were doing fine but always felt one step from the abyss. Any taxes paid seen as going straight to lazy slum-dwellers in city; any govt benefits recd w/mixed emotions of denial/ shame/ defensiveness.
I do believe it’s a long memory of poverty that unites & drives them. Trump strangely (no history of poverty) gives off the exact same vibe; they identify.
Trump has a deep sense of grievance. Although born to wealth, he was always looked down on (or imagined he was) by the elite in New York who never accepted him and thought he was a loudmouth and nouveau riche. He didn’t go to Harvard, Yale, Princeton. He made his reputation as a flamboyant philanderer who liked to see his name in the tabloids. He was viewed in NYC as a clown. By the way, he spoke of NYC last night as “a ghost town” and claimed he loved it but then said he would do nothing to help “Democrat-run cities.”
The corrupt, libertarian-aligned, religious leaders didn’t miss the opportunity to give a talking point to shield the GOP voters from truth- “we’re saving babies”.
Diane: “Curiously, many Rust Belt districts went for Obama, then flipped to Trump.” I found the most interesting paper on this. The author focuses in on ‘why now? [2016 election]’ for a white/black working class revolt against the Dem party. Even tho disinvestment in the Midwest had been happening for decades, & 3 other elections around the time of financial crises didn’t spark that. It digs deeper than the usual analyses of race & class. Be sure to stay tuned for the description of the literal dismantling of houses & factories to scrapyards then to empty trains headed back to China. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/1468-4446.12328