Four years ago, Michael Bloomberg spoke candidly in Aspen about his stop-and-frisk policies that targeted young black and Hispanic men, but he immediately requested that it not be released to the public. Although he was proud of his policy, he knew there was something that wasn’t right about targeting young minority males.
Charles Blow of the New York Times wrote about the racist, disastrous policy of stop and frisk.
Let me plant the stake now: No black person — or Hispanic person or ally of people of color — should ever even consider voting for Michael Bloomberg in the primary. His expansion of the notoriously racist stop-and-frisk program in New York, which swept up millions of innocent New Yorkers, primarily young black and Hispanic men, is a complete and nonnegotiable deal killer.
Stop-and-frisk, pushed as a way to get guns and other contraband off the streets, became nothing short of a massive, enduring, city-sanctioned system of racial terror…
In 2002, the first year Bloomberg was mayor, 97,296 of these stops were recorded. They surged during Bloomberg’s tenure to a peak of 685,724 stops in 2011, near the end of his third term. Nearly 90 percent of the people who were stopped and frisked were innocent of any wrongdoing.
A New York Times analysis of stops on “eight odd blocks” in the overwhelmingly black neighborhood of Brownsville in Brooklyn found close to 52,000 stops over four years, which averaged out to “nearly one stop a year for every one of the 14,000 residents of these blocks.”
In 2009, there were more than 580,000 stop-and-frisks, a record at the time. Of those stopped, 55 percent were black, 32 percent Hispanic and only 10 percent white. Most were young, and almost all were male. Eighty-eight percent were innocent. For reference, according to the Census Bureau, there were about 300,000 black men between the ages of 13 and 34 living in the city that year.
Not only that, but those who were stopped had their names entered into a comprehensive police database, even if they were never accused of committing a crime. As Donna Lieberman, then the executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, said in 2010, the database became a place “where millions of completely innocent, predominantly black and Latinos have been turned into permanent police suspects.”
The state outlawed the keeping of these electronic records on the innocent, over the strong objections of Bloomberg and his police chief…
Bloomberg’s crime argument was dubious. The Columbia Law School professor Jeffrey Fagan produced a report that became part of a class-action lawsuit against the city in 2010. It found that: “[s]eizures of weapons or contraband are extremely rare. Overall, guns are seized in less than 1 percent of all stops: 0.15 percent … Contraband, which may include weapons but also includes drugs or stolen property, is seized in 1.75 percent of all stops.”

Quote: “No black person — or Hispanic person or ally of people of color — should ever even consider voting for Michael Bloomberg in the primary.” I agree with that statement 100% and add that no one of any race, creed or color should vote for Bloomberg in the Primary. But what happens if he wins the primary (which I seriously doubt), then it’s Trump v. Bloomberg. I would have to vote for Mikey with much gnashing of teeth and lamentations to the heavens. Bloomberg recently aired an ad featuring Obama and his friendly relations with Obama. Isn’t that a back-door endorsement by Obama and yet Obama claims he has not endorsed anyone?
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I believe Obama’s comments were made during his tenure as president around specific events. If that is the case, they are hardly an endorsement. I would find it hard not to lose all respect for Obama if he made such an endorsement. Just what we need–a billionaire who can buy his support with “philanthropic” donations.
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Obama has not endorsed Bloomberg or anyone else.
Elizabeth Warren, just days ago, released an ad that does the same thing that Bloomberg’s ad does — i.e., overlays audio of Obama praising the candidate in a totally different context than the current primary race. For some reason that isn’t getting cut-and-pasted across Twitter like the commentary on the Bloomberg ad.
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Few saw Warren’s ad. Her advertising budget isn’t the size of Bloomberg’s.
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I agree with you Joe. Obama could make a point of telling people that he isn’t endorsing candidates.
Obama’s 2012 re-election campaign manager, Jim Messina, described Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary in this way, “The big winner is Michael Bloomberg”. Candidates who buy elections likely appeal to neoliberals. Bloomberg was chosen to speak at the Democratic convention in 2016. Bernie’s current campaign co-chair, not rich, was denied her scheduled speaking time.
I presume Bloomberg and neoliberals are behind the messaging that “Bernie can’t win.”
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Obama may not have endorsed Bloomberg or anyone else, but he has made it clear in private that he not only will not endorse Sanders but may actively oppose him if it appears he is going to get the nomination.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2019/11/26/barack-obama-2020-democrats-candidates-biden-073025
Obama can’t have it both ways. He can’t claim in public that he is above the fray and indicate the exact opposite in private.
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I like Bernie, but I fear his nomination. This seems like a case of the perfect being the enemy of the good. Bloomberg will shore up the Constitution. Trump could neuter it (as Adam Schiff said in the trial, Russia has a nice constitution too; it just doesn’t mean anything). Trump might unleash legions of paramilitary thugs on the nation, as many autocrats do. He has many willing gunmen. Or is this not a real risk?
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“Trump might unleash legions of paramilitary thugs on the nation, as many autocrats do. ”
So we’ll vote for the only candidate which doesn’t irritate Trump and his thugs? I wonder who that candidate might be. 🙂
Inducing fear has been the primary tool of autocrats against democracy. It did work many times in the past, but it would be embarrassing if it worked here too, where many think, US democracy should be spread all over the World.
I think, autocracy doesn’t belong to the 21st century, hence we shouldn’t embarrass ourselves with tolerating the tactics of an outdated system.
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You are honestly representing your position.
Obama is not.
If he wants to endorse someone or even oppose someone, that is certainly his prerogative. But he should not pretend otherwise.
Then again, Obama has made a career out of saying one thing and believing and working for the opposite, so why should anyone expect him to behave otherwise in this case?
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In a 60 Minutes interview, Bloomberg said he was a God. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Ponderosa, you are aware New York City had a two-term limit for mayors that Bloomberg worked to change?
In his campaign for the presidency, he has refused to participate in primaries, an essential part of democracy.
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It wasn’t just guns:
“During the event, Bloomberg also discussed education, climate change and Colorado’s marijuana industry with moderator Jennifer Bradley, director of the Center for Urban Innovation at the Institute.”
Michael Bloomberg doesn’t want to reveal what he said about anything.
I’m not sure it matters. He seems to spend endless amounts of time at think tanks – there are probably ten more like this that he can’t block.
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https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/02/a-republican-plutocrat-tries-to-buy-the-democratic-nomination
If Bloomberg gets the nomination, it’s four more years of Trump. Why would Independents, young people, minorities, etc. show up for Bloomberg when there’s so little breathing room between him and Trump anyway? At least with Trump Democrats will fight back. Bloomberg would be “our guy”.
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“when there’s so little breathing room between him and Trump anyway?”
Spoken like a privileged white person who is not an immigrant.
“So little breathing room” between those who believe in democracy so progressives can live to fight another day, and the fascists who don’t bother white privileged people at all.
I have heard many African-Americans who have made it clear that Bloomberg is a terrible and awful choice in the primary.
I haven’t heard any African-Americans repeating the lie that Bloomberg is so like Trump that there is hardly any breathing room between them. The only people I hear repeating that lie are either right wing Trump supporting trolls and entitled white progressives who claim to know what is best for African-American voters.
Entitled white progressives who claim to know what is best for African-American voters sure do defend Trump as not doing anything that deserved impeaching and sure do lecture Africa-American voters about what is “best” for them. Apparently, “best” is having a racist, xenophobic President who believes the laws don’t apply to him and thinks there are “good people” among the neo-Nazis.
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One difference between Bloomberg and Trump is that Trump gets personal without a second thought. Not getting personal is the very first requirement is professional conversation, but one should be cautious even during a family conversation.
To see what can happen when a conversation becomes personal, just read this exchange here.
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Chuck Todd likened Bernie supporters to Trump supporters, labeling both brown shirts, despite the fact that Heather Heyer was killed by a literal, brown shirt, Trump supporter. Todd’s a none too bright, corporate tool.
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I wish there was some rule on here that people were held to a modicum of honesty.
One can be highly critical of Michael Bloomberg, as Diane Ravitch and others are, without blatantly lying and posting that Bloomberg and Trump are so alike that is almost no breathing room at all between them. That is a lie. It is as much as a lie as someone who said Bernie and Fidel Castro are so alike that there is so little breathing room between them. If someone posted that lie about Bernie we would quickly identify them as a right wing troll.
Real Bernie supporters aren’t liars, I assume. Real Bernie supporters can make their points without blatantly lying in the manner of right wing trolls. Real Bernie supporters also don’t think the worst thing about Trump is that he is uncouth and orange-haired and real Bernie supporters don’t get very upset when anyone criticizes Trump and devote themselves to immediately changing the subject.
If dienne77 isn’t a right wing troll, then she is doing a spot on imitation of the ones we saw all during 2016. There is plenty of criticism to be made without lying, UNLESS you are a Trump supporter and you know you can’t win with the truth.
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Read the link I posted. Then tell me that Trump and Bloomberg are that much different. Racist, sexist, anti-LGBT+, anti-poor, anti-immigrant Republicans. Two peas in a pod. If anything, Bloomberg is worse because he’s much more focused. Trump’s impulsivity is actually a good thing – occasionally he does the right thing by mistake.
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dienne77,
(apologies if this posts twice)
thank you for harming Bernie Sanders’ chances to be President if Bernie is the Democratic nominee, dienne77.
Was that intentional?
I can’t think of something that Trump’s right wing band of propaganda-purveyors love more than every moderate and Independent voter in a swing state being reassured that Trump is just like Mike Bloomberg. Wow, even Bernie supporters have told them that a vote for Trump is just like a vote for Mike Bloomberg, so for those people who were concerned about Trump, I am sure they are very grateful to hear that Trump is just like Bloomberg and voting for Trump over Bernie is just like voting for Bloomberg over Bernie.
dienne77, your post will do a lot to make Trump look like a completely reasonable choice for those independents who might have voted for a Democrat (or stayed home) if Bernie is the nominee because Trump is so awful. You did so much good for Trump by explaining that Trump is no different than Mike Bloomberg! You normalized Trump — he’s like Mike Bloomberg! You just gave moderates a reason to vote for Trump over Bernie in the general election. And you did it by posting something that was blatantly untrue.
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Incidentally, since you hurled so many words telling me I’m wrong about Trump and Bloomberg, perhaps you could spare a few to actually make an argument? Tell me where the big daylight is between them, please. Show me where Bloomberg has been significantly more progressive than Trump. Thanks.
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There are big differences between Trump and Bloomberg: Bloomberg is openly and unabashedly for gun control, he’s not a climate change denier, he’s pro abortion rights and he would not be loading up the courts with far right wing/libertarian apparatchiks (as Trump is doing in record numbers).
I am NOT endorsing Bloomberg, just pointing out the differences between him and the gargoyle-in-chief.
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dienne77,
I have posted twice responding to you and they are being held up. This one may be held up, too.
But bottom line is that I can only assume you want to normalize Trump so he has a better chance to defeat Bernie Sanders or any other progressive if one of them is the Democratic nominee.
Your post does nothing except normalizeTrump by explaining Trump is just like Bloomberg, only maybe a little better. Great way to get moderates who know Trump is terrible to feel a lot better about voting for him, knowing he is just like Bloomberg.
When (I hope) Bernie is the nominee, what you post will be posted throughout the US — the meme that Trump is just like Bloomberg — in order to normalize Trump and convince worried moderates that Trump isn’t so bad. He’s just like Bloomberg. Even “Democrats” and “progressives” keep saying that, so it must be true.
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Thanks for that breath of fresh air Joe Jersey – pls read, those of you who buy dienne77’s ridiculous assertion & are not persuaded by nycpsp’s over-the-top ad hominem counter.
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Are there any REAL Bernie Sanders’ supporters on here that endorse the Trump-supporter meme posted by dienne77 that will be repeated endlessly if Bernie Sanders is the nominee?
Remember all you voters who don’t like Trump but worry about Bernie being too radical. Trump is JUST LIKE MIKE BLOOMBERG. Trump is a normal politician (albeit a bit too conservative) just like Bloomberg.
I can see that being posted endlessly by right wing trolls. Bernie is a socialist, and Trump is JUST LIKE MIKE BLOOMBERG. Or, even better than Bloomberg!
How comforting for all those swing state voters knowing that they were wrong about Trump being so far out of what is normal that they will defeat him at all costs even if it means voting for a candidate like Bernie who may be a little more progressive than they like.
They just have to read the endless posts by people like dienne77 and right wing propaganda purveying trolls to understand that Trump isn’t really scary, he’s simply like Mike Bloomberg, only a little better. So it’s not really a big deal to have Trump for 4 more years instead of a “socialist”.
After all, 4 more years of Trump is just like 4 years of Mike Bloomberg and look how much good he did for NYC.
Are there really Bernie supporters out there who believe that convincing voters that Trump is just like Mike Bloomberg when Bernie runs against Trump is a GOOD thing???
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Dienne and NYC PSP,
I would like to give you each the personal email of the other and ask you to debate elsewhere.
Please stop.
Let me say it here, for what it is worth. I said it in 2016, and I repeat it in 2020. I will vote for anyone on the Democratic line running against Trump.
Think differently but please stop this argument, which never goes anywhere and never changes.
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You and NYC PSP can write whatever you wish, but not directed as a reply to the other.
No personal exchanges.
You are both in moderation for now.
Direct your comments to everyone.
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Thank you, Diane. I am SO sick of those two fighting on here.
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Great, just great. NYCPSP gets four consecutive rants calling me a Trump troll saying I’m not a real Bernie supporter (coming from someone who actually hurled the term “BernieBro” back in 2016, or have you forgotten that?), and then my defense gets deleted, I get put in moderation again and I get told to stop fighting as if this is a mutual thing. Why did you not delete any of her rants against me?
I know you disagree with what I write, but I also know you’re smart enough to see who the guilty party is here. If this is how dissenting positions are allowed to be treated on your blog, then maybe I’m not welcome around here at all. You’ve lost many previous commenters for this very reason.
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Dienne,
I deleted rants that you never saw. You can write whatever you want. Just don’t take the bait and I’ll stop the other party from throwing it. I’ve been traveling the past week and frankly missed the exchange.
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His favoritism toward charter schools at the expense of public schools is reason enough to not vote for Bloomberg.
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I lived on Striver’s Row in Harlem for most of the Bloomberg years; from 2004 to 2010, I walked my dog in St. Nicholas Park almost every day.. This gave me ample opportunity to see stop and frisk in action. On one occasion, I saw NYPD officers beat a young man because he resisted their attempts to frisk him.
So, in my admittedly limited experience, stop and frisk amounted to giving the NYPD carte blanche to bully young black men.
I’d like to think Mayor Bloomberg has suppressed his own remarks about this blatantly unconstitutional and manifestly racist policy because he is ashamed of it and of himself for pushing it. In my also admittedly limited experience, he is not a man capable of shame.
So no, I would never vote for this arrogant parvenu for president.
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So, Trump then?
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No! I’ll vote for Bloomberg if he is the candidate in the general election (or writes a check to buy the presidency, which it looks like he’s already doing)–something I hope doesn’t come to pass. But if it does, yes, I’ll hold my nose and vote for him.
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NYCpsp: Dienne is NOT a “Trump troll.” She has been trying to point out DINOism when she sees it, & we know it’s all over the place & has sickened & polluted our public schools (Diane largely covered it in Slaying Goliath–so does that make her a “Trump troll?”) I know Dienne, & she is, indeed, a Berner: hasn’t written any comments disparaging Bernie, just giving neolibs the criticism they well deserve.
I am most certainly not pro-45, &, I’ll repeat, Dienne is not a “Trump” troll.
I seem to recall Diane asking for a stop to these arguments in her living room, so…
please. stop.
Finally, Bloomberg is just not a good choice but, if put in a bad place yet again (most likely scenario), I’ll hold my nose & vote for him, should he be the Dem nominee.
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Bloomberg is a DINO. Like Trump, he switches parties as best fits his needs. He is great on public health and gun control. Not good on racial issues, was horrible as mayor on education issues, loves privatization, and is a huge fan of the surveillance state.
But if he is the D candidate against Trump, I will vote for him.
Trump is mentally unstable and a danger to the planet. Bloomberg is intelligent, nobody’s fool.
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NYC PSP,
Both you and Dianne have been placed in moderation.
No more exchanges between the two of you.
You have a great deal of valuable information and knowledge to add.
Get out of this nasty personal exchange.
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Thank you, Diane.
As you probably already know, I despise Michael Bloomberg and his policies, and I was especially outraged when Bloomberg rewarded the charters that were most dishonest and did the most to undermine public schools.
There should rightly be a lot of criticism of Bloomberg on here and there are endless things to criticize Bloomberg about.
The one thing that makes absolutely no sense is to bring Donald Trump into this. What does Trump have to do with why Bloomberg has supported such terrible policies that none of us like? What does Trump have to do with the fact that Bloomberg’s policies are bad?
Bringing in Trump when we are all seemingly in complete agreement about Bloomberg being an awful candidate makes no sense. We all already have acknowledged with real facts that Bloomberg is terrible and we all very likely support other candidates in the primary.
So saying that Bloomberg is worse than Trump certainly does nothing to change our mind about Bloomberg — we are already highly critical of Bloomberg’s policies! But it does make people change their mind about Trump, because saying that Trump and Bloomberg are the same serves to normalize Trump. If Americans really start believing the false meme that Trump is just like Michael Bloomberg, Bernie Sanders will not be able to convince many moderates to support him if he is the nominee. Saying Trump and Michael Bloomberg are the same simply normalizes Trump because many moderates who are very concerned about Trump would like him a lot more knowing Trump is just like Michael Bloomberg. And it would provide a very good reason to re-elect Trump if their alternative was a progressive who might upend their union health insurance.
Bloomberg is awful. No one should vote for him in the primary. It is unlikely he will win the nomination.
But no one who isn’t a Trump supporter should be trying to normalize Trump by claiming that Trump and Bloomberg are “two peas in a pod”. Bloomberg is 10,000x worse than Bernie Sanders but Trump is nothing like Bloomberg. And pushing propaganda that Bloomberg and Trump are “two peas in a pod” only helps normalize Trump and hurts all of the progressives who could be the Democratic nominee.
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NYC CSP,
I was out all evening supporting a candidate for local office. I would have blocked this comment. Let it go.
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Diane,
I’m sorry — I did assume this comment would be in moderation first and I was hoping you would read it and decide it wasn’t intended to be offensive and allow it to post. But I respect your right to delete it if you find it offensive.
Needless to say, I watch William Barr’s justice department’s actions today and I find it terrifying to see the entire justice system used for political ends. Democracy is in grave peril and I truly think that Trump cannot and should not be normalized, ever.
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There may have been a worse president than Trump but I can’t think who that would be.
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Apropos of little, I found this young man’s impressions very amusing.
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There may have been worse, but I don’t believe there have been worse presidents that have been completely empowered by the Senate and Supreme Court to do absolutely anything they want because no law applies to them. Trump said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and his supporters would be fine with it — I never imagined that the entire apparatus of Barr’s Justice Department, the Republican Senate, and very likely the Supreme Court would also be fine with it.
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BTW, have you all (sure you have) been reading about 45’s latest nuke step-ups?
The Doomsday Clock ticks ever faster toward midnight…
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Billionaires should not run for office. They should not be allowed to flood the media with campaign ads. They do not represent the interests of most citizens. Additionally, a special place in heck for billionaires who attack people of color, and for those who attack public schools and teachers. Which billionaire is worse than the other? Let the devil decide. Vote for Bernie.
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Bloomberg stopped and frisked. Trump would like to trash the Constitution so that he can torture and kill his enemies. That’s one little difference.
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Daily Kos claims Bloomberg said this:
“95% of your murders — murderers and murder victims fit one MO. You can just take the description, Xerox it and pass it out to all the cops. They are male. minorities, sixteen to twenty-five. That’s true in New York. That’s true in virtually every city. And that’s where the real crime is.”
Is it true that 95% of murderers and their victims are 16-25 year old minority males? Was he misinformed? Is he lying? If this is empirically true, does it make one racist to say it and act on it? If stop and frisk is not the right action, what is?
He claims that fear of being stopped and frisked dissuaded young minority men from carrying guns and thereby prevented murders. Is he wrong? Is he lying? If he’s right, and this policy saved lives, can that justify the psychological toll this policy had on young minority males in NYC? Was Bloomberg saving black lives by profiling black men? Would more young minority men have died without stop-and-frisk? Did the cost outweigh the benefit? Do the ends justify the means?
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Quick and easy answer:
When Mayor de Blasio ended stop and frisk, everyone warned that crime would go up. It did not. It went down.
Do you know what would also reduce crime? If EVERYONE was subject to regular stop and frisks. Why not stop and frisk every person who comes within 1/2 mile of a school — their car must be stopped and searched or if they are walking or on a bike they get slammed against the wall and body searched.
After all, if you really cared about reducing the gunning down of dozens of innocent children, you would support that and happily make sure all children over 10 are body-searched if they are even within 1/2 mile of a school.
Or maybe just do that to white people since they tend to be the mass murderers. I am positive that will stop school shootings if no white boy or man could come anywhere within a 1/2 mile of school property without being subject to a body search and possession search.
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The number of murders and other felonies dropped significantly after Bloomberg left office. He also claimed credit for the sun rising in the east and setting in the West
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The stats are clear: stop-&-frisk accomplished zilch crime-wise. Arguably it stirred up anti-minority sentiment while it was in force. Bloomberg is probably ashamed of it– or maybe not. And his ed policieswere from hunger [but so were Obama’s]. Nonetheless, the guy has some liberal bones in his body, & is mentally stable. I’d vote for him in a heartbeat over Trump.
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Bloomberg was ashamed of stop and frisk when he decided to run for Prez
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I don’t know about the age range or the gender breakdown (although it seems like it would be correct), the “95%” figure is basically accurate. Whether the gun yield was high enough to justify the obvious costs of the policy is another question.
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Bloomberg may indirectly help Bernie, i.e., M.B. may siphon votes that would go to Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Biden or Yang. He’s sort of a spoiler for the centrists/moderates. Hoping.
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