A regular reader of the Blog who calls herself or himself “New York City Public School Parent” decided to fact check Eva Moskowitz’s claim that she does not cherrypick the students at her Success Academy charter chain. Like NYCPSP, I have long been troubled by the media’s tendency to accept test scores on state tests without considering such important questions as demographics (Does she really enroll the same proportion of students with disabilities, including serious disabilities, as nearby public schools? The same proportion of English learners?), attrition (what percent of the students who are enrolled in third grade remain until eighth grade?). On another thread, NYCPSP pointed out that 87:000 economically disadvantaged students In grades 3rd through 8th grade scored proficient or above on the NY State Math exam. “To put that in perspective — Those 87,000 3rd through 8th grade students living in poverty who attend NYC public schools who score proficient and above is more than 4 times the TOTAL 3rd through 8th grade population of the entire Boston Public School system.” Thus, if a charter school or chain chooses carefully and removes the laggards, It can produce spectacular results.
She/he writes:
“Moskowitz urges those who would “try to explain away our results” to consider Bronx 2, a school in the network whose demographics are similar to nearby PS 55. Yet this is a misleading suggestion, because an overall comparison shows that Success still serves fewer students from both groups and therefore can maintain higher scores.”
“In my opinion, this is the big lie. Moskowitz’ challenges people to “explain away our results” but critics don’t spend the time to gather the numbers and figures from the NYSED data website that would allow them to debunk this great lie. Bronx 2 doesn’t have “similar demographics to PS 55” and it doesn’t have similar demographics to Bronx District 9 where it is supposed to draw its students.
“It is easy to check the data at NYSED. On the state math tests, only 259 of the 413 Success Academy Bronx 2 students taking the state math tests were economically disadvantaged. That’s 63%. It is a shockingly low figure when you consider that Bronx 2 serves the students in Bronx District 9, where over 90% of the students taking the state exams were economically disadvantaged.
“And at nearly PS 55, which Moskowitz claims has similar demographics, over 92% of the students taking the state math test were economically disadvantaged! PS 55 serves even MORE of its’ share of the very poorest students while Success Academy Bronx 2 teaches 30% fewer poor students than they should be teaching. It takes a special chutzpah for Eva Moskowitz to claim Bronx 2 serves similar demographics. But she is smug in her knowledge that journalists almost never bother to analyze the data themselves. Instead her critics use unconvincing vague arguments “she doesn’t serve her share of special needs kids” which Moskowitz loves because she can easily dismiss it as “but that doesn’t even begin to explain my 99% passing rates”.
“Moskowitz can’t explain away the extraordinarily low number of poor students she serves in districts that have over 90% poor students that easily.
“And that very low % of economically disadvantaged students in Bronx 1 should have been a huge red flag whenever a journalist reports on a charter network who justifies its expansion by their claim of wanting to teach at-risk students failed by public schools.
“Here is the second red flag that journalists ignore:
“Despite Eva Moskowitz convincing lots of affluent white folks that getting 259 poor students in Bronx District 9 to pass a state test is a “miracle”, it turns out that in the District 9 pool from which she draws students there were 2,777 economically disadvantaged students passing state math tests who were taught in underfunded public schools. That is TEN TIMES the number of proficient students in the surrounding District 9 public schools than at Success Academy Bronx 2. There are too many truly ignorant and racist Success Academy cheerleaders who act as if there are no high performing children among the economically disadvantaged so how could Moskowitz cherry pick enough to fill her school? But that is another great lie that she gets away with. There are 10 times as many very poor students doing well in the public schools surrounding her district. It is just that they are not concentrated in a single, very rich charter school.
“Now how do we know that Eva Moskowitz cherry picks those few hundred economically disadvantaged students in SA Bronx 2 from among the thousands of proficient students? Because of Moskowitz own actions.
“Some of Moskowitz’ longest wait lists are in the Bronx. But in that very poor District 9 where her single Success Academy school has nearly 1/3 fewer poor students than it should have, has she opened a second school to address this great need for good schools?
“The answer is, of course, that Moskowitz still has only ONE school in all of District 9. One of the poorest NYC districts, and she has only one school.
“Compare that to District 2, Manhattan, one of the very richest districts where Moskowitz’ first two schools served MORE middle class and affluent students than economically disadvantaged ones. Guess where Moskowitz just located a 3rd school? District 2. What about all those poor kids stuck in failing schools in the Bronx where she challenged critics to prove that she could have possibly have cherry picked her students?
“But Moskowitz could very easily could and did cherry pick students in Bronx 2 and the fact that she has 3 times as many schools that give priority to the students who live in one of the richest NYC school districts than schools that give priority to the students who live in one of the poorest demonstrates exactly how ridiculous her claims that she doesn’t cherry pick really are. If she didn’t cherry pick and believed her own lies that she is doing this for poor kids trapped in failing schools, she would have 3 times as many schools in Bronx District 9 than she has in Manhattan District 2. Not the other way around.
“I wish a journalist would ask her to her face why she keeps opening new schools in rich districts where her wait lists are shortest.
“The very few times that a journalist does their research and asks a follow-up question — as John Merrow did in that PBS report — Eva Moskowitz sputters and shifts and looks like a liar. That should be happening every time she is interviewed by a journalist. Instead they just let her get away with her dishonest premises as she did here when she claims Bronx 2 shows that she is a miracle worker! Without her schools not a single poor kid in the entire district would ever get a good education. The fact that there are 10x as many District 9 public school students doing as well as her far less disadvantaged cherry picked group is never ever mentioned and she gets away with that very big lie. Without the need to squirm and prevaricate and look like the dishonest person she is during the John Merrow interview.
“It’s nice to have everyone accept your dishonest premise when you are promoting yourself as the savior. Eva Moskowitz feels very good because she knows that very few journalists ever bother to do their homework. They read the press releases and ask a question and write down her “response to critics” without including the data that shows just how much of an outright lie her claims were. It’s similar to the reporting we saw during the campaign where Trump would say so many outright lies and the reporters would say “but the other side says this” and leaves the public to think that the truth is a matter of opinion and not fact.
“There are reams of data that prove that Success Academy cherry picks. I didn’t even mention Success Academy’s own commissioned 2017 MDRC study that buried a few very inconvenient facts in footnotes. Do you know that in this charter school that parents are supposedly desperate to send their children, half the lottery winners don’t enroll their kids? “Of the lottery winners in the sample (both kindergarten and first-grade entrants), about 82 percent attended a welcome meeting. Approximately 61 percent of lottery winners attended student registration, 54 percent attended a uniform fitting, and 50 percent attended a dress rehearsal. With few exceptions, lottery winners who did not attend an activity did not attend subsequent activities. Ultimately, about 50 percent of lottery winners enrolled in Success Academy schools in the 2010-2011 school year.”
“Mysteriously – throughout all those “pre-enrollment” meetings – Success loses an extraordinarily number of students. 82% of those parents desperate for the great SA education attended an enrollment meeting but only 61% attend student registration. And then Success loses another chunk of students who registered and only 50% make it to the first day of school.
“The fact that Success Academy’s documented attrition rate — which includes ONLY those 50% of lottery winning students whose parents didn’t give out their supposedly coveted spots after attending during those pre-enrollment meetings — is STILL higher than almost every other charter network in NYC should also be a huge red flag. Even among the most motivated families who stick it out through all the pre-enrollment meetings, Success still rids themselves of a number that SHOULD make every journalist and certainly their oversight agency ask questions.
“The data shows exactly how Success Academy cherry picks. The fact that Moskowitz gets away with that challenge shows how little journalists understand the data.”

I think charter schools don’t even really have to pro-actively choose. They’re more likely just to create admissions processes that only motivated, compliant students from motivated, compliant, supportive families can navigate.
I’m speaking as the former blogger who put my own kid into the admissions process for KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy to see if they would contact us to schedule her test — which they did. They claim they don’t use the test scores to determine who gets in (the school is undersubscribed anyway — I don’t even think they try to play-act the usual “long waiting list” BS claims that most charters do — because it’s so out of sync with San Francisco culture). KIPP says the tests are to determine the student’s grade level. But just going through with the test — and having a kid compliant enough to do so — is a powerful selection mechanism. Plus being told their kid will have to repeat a grade if they want to attend will repel most families, unless they’re pathologically passive.
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carolinesf,
I have seen exactly what you described in two Success Academy stories in the past few years:
On February 12, 2016, Success Academy parents at Cobble Hill were brought out with Eva Moskowitz leading a press conference in which they defended the school after the “model” teacher was caught on tape punishing and humiliating one of the smaller number of poor students in the school for not knowing the right answer.
One dad offered up what to me was the most incriminating story but that never got picked up by the press. And this dad told the story to defend the school! He said his daughter had been in another school for Kindergarten where her teacher said she was very bright. Then she won a lottery spot for first grade at Success Academy and he described how his daughter was “pre-tested” by some SA administrator and he was told his daughter would have to repeat Kindergarten if she wanted to attend. He enrolled her anyway, agreeing to repeat a year. But here’s the kicker: it turns out his daughter did so well that she wasn’t just moved to her original grade but skipped another grade as well! The dad told the story because he believed it demonstrated that the public school teacher was wrong and Success Academy recognized how “behind” his kindergarten child was who couldn’t even meet first grade “standards”. But what it really showed is that the child was very bright, just like she was told by her public school teacher, and there is something off about this mysterious “pre-test” that Success Academy demands that every student who wants an attrition spot take before they are allowed to enroll. Would an affluent white student have been given the benefit of the doubt if their parents wanted an attrition spot?
That story resonated because later that year NY1 did a story about a family in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. They had been enrolled as an out of zone Kindergarten family at a neighborhood public school. But the child won a lottery for Success Academy Williamsburg for first grade. Just like in the story above, she had been pre-tested and told she’d have to repeat Kindergarten if she wanted to enroll. In that case, the family chose not to take the attrition spot and the story was about how they wanted to return to their public school and the mean old public school wouldn’t let them since they were an out of zone family who had chosen to leave for Success Academy and were just mad that Success Academy would only accept their child if she agreed to repeat Kindergarten.
Being told they must repeat a grade is how you INSURE that every single attrition spot is filled by a child who is already working above grade level. You just keep waiting until the ones who do come up and there is always a seat because the other students are sent to repeat Kindergarten if they even accept their spot.
I suspect that the number of students at Success Academy who takes the state tests who have been retained at least one year is much higher than at any other charter school. Again, the intentional lack of oversight by the SUNY Charter Institute means that all these ways to cook the books are kept hidden.
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^^^I should clarify that the methods above are used to fill those many attrition seats from 1st grade on. Success Academy cannot give Kindergarten lottery winners a pre-test and insist that they have to enroll in pre-k instead. Although perhaps their new obsession with having their own pre-ks is because they’d like to try!
My guess is that if anyone closely examined the Success Academy schools that are in the poorest neighborhoods to see how many of the students who started school the first day of Kindergarten advanced with their cohort to take 3rd grade tests 3 1/2 years later, the number of at-risk kids MIA might raise questions. To see if charter schools are working the miracles they claim, we should have that data. We should know how many students taking the 3rd grade state tests are from the original Kindergarten cohort, or are retained students from earlier cohorts, or if they are new students added later after being pre-tested to see if they were suitable candidates to join that post-kindergarten grade. We should know how many students from that Kindergarten cohort needed to be retained. We should know how many left.
Instead of hiding that data, education reformers should be making it widely available for study.
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carolinesf,
I’ve been warning about charter schools for a long time; I was the first person in the UFT to warn about their danger, back when NY passed its charter law in 1998. Those warnings were ignored by the mis-leadership of the union.
However, I believe you were the first person to expose the lies of charter school touts and supporters, by pointing out the school’s high attrition rates, specifically in regard to KIPP.
You deserve everyone’s thanks for your initial research years ago, which led to the initial exposure of this under-acknowledged scandal.
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Michael, I am so glad you remembered to write this about carolinesf. She does amazing research and reporting. Thank you for calling that out as she definitely deserves our thanks.
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Thank you! And I need to give credit to my late, dear friend Dana Woldow, who passed away in April. She and I started a “research and information” project in 2001 on the then-miracle-run-by-saints Edison Schools. She had a gift for this, and helped me learn to crunch that kind of numbers and look for confounding factors in “miracle” success claims. I wish all journalists could learn what she showed me, because too often they simply have no clue.
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If it’s available, I suggest comparing test scores by parent education level. More than any other demographic factor, I have found that parent education level is the strongest indicator of standardized test performance. Other demographic factors (family income, English language learner, race/ethnicity) can be confounded by parent education level.
In addition to evaluating the numbers of students from each parent education level group to the equivalent proportion in nearby schools, compare the test scores to the state average. IMO, the appropriate comparison to make is a comparison to the state average test score for the equivalent cohort group. For example, compare test scores from Success Academy for students who come from families with no high school diploma (typically the lowest level of education) to statewide test scores for that cohort group.
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Suggest #1 is SES; #2 parent educational level, particularly the mother.
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Motivation and compliance levels can’t be measured by testing or demonstrated with data, however. Anything that can is a proxy. IMHO this really can’t be measured.
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Comparing any scores achieved by Success Academy students to any other group is meaningless.
If one control group is allowed to weed out low performers at will and another group not only cannot weed out low performers but also has to accept the low performers from the first group, the group that weeds out low performers will always have superior results. It is virtually impossible for them not to.
It doesn’t matter if you are talking about a group of the very richest students or the very poorest. There will always be students whose abilities range from far below average to far above average.
If a charter network has carte blanche to get rid of the lowest scoring students by using tactics that are designed to get rid of the lowest scoring students, it will, by definition, always do better. Whether their students are poor or rich.
That is why I pointed how many poor students in NYC public schools do well on state tests. NYC is so large that it is easy for charters to cherry pick the higher performing poor students because they are in a city where there are tens of thousands of higher performing poor students.
But the supply isn’t unlimited, which is why Success Academy has more schools in some of the richest neighborhoods than in some of the poorest. That is especially suspect when the wait lists for their schools in the poorer districts are much higher than their wait lists in the richer districts!
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NYC PSP
I don’t disagree. The reason I mention parent education level is that one measure of social mobility in education is becoming the first generation in your family to go to college. If there is anything meaningful in what Success Academy does, then it should be recorded in the ability of Success Academy in getting first generation students graduated from college.
But measuring standardized test performance by parent education level isn’t the way to determine success. The reason is that succeeding in college relies heavily on social and non-cognitive skills that are not tested for and are not developed when the only focus is on raising scores in ELA and math. Parents with college education are more likely to be able to supplement their children’s experience outside of school and maybe develop those non-cognitive skills to get to and succeed in college. A family without college education is more likely unable to do that. Such a family will more heavily rely upon the grade school to get the skills and experiences needed to reach college and graduate with a degree.
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Reblogged this on David R. Taylor-Thoughts on Education.
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NYCPSP
Good job . We can agree on this .
Can we agree that even if those reporters carry some “elitist ” bias feeling superior to the “lowly unionized teachers” . That bias may be be more related to conforming with the desires of their Publishers . In short their reporting is not an accident.
“Instead they just let her get away with her dishonest premises as she did here when she claims Bronx 2 shows that she is a miracle worker! “
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Joel Herman,
Just like there are actually some politicians in the Democratic party who are not complete sell-outs to Wall Street and corporate interests, there are actually some reporters who are not complete sell-outs to a right wing corporate agenda.
And there are reporters like Kate Taylor who are like Hillary Clinton. They are smeared as tools of the right wing corporate agenda by people who find it easier to make blanket pronouncements than to do the hard work of carefully examining the record.
Like Hillary Clinton, Kate Taylor is not “perfect”. She makes mistakes. But for the most part she has tried to report on these issues and certainly seems willing to dig deeper than a reporter like WNYC’s Beth Fertig and NY Daily News’ Ben Chapman whose prime purpose seemed to be to rewrite Success Academy press releases and be their top cheerleaders and apologists.
When you try to smear the entire press as just as evil and corrupt as some of it is, you are not on the side of the angels. It is fine to criticize bad work, but with facts.
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Depending on the issues the chorus can be deafening . We tend to only see it when issues we care about are at stake . My pet peeves are skills shortages, robots and trade agreements . And they are all wrapped up for me in the idea of meritocracy which is how it ties into education. If we are a meritocracy than the individual has failed or the schools have failed to prepare the individual . . I do have to get my hearing checked the noise is killing me . You see as Dean Baker so exquisitely said last week . If you accept their premises on these issues than no one is to blame things just happened . But they didn’t just happen decisions were and are made to pick winners an losers . Too frequently the Times misses the mark .
To your issue.
“Success Academy’s students, most of whom are black or Hispanic, performed better on this year’s state reading and math tests than did students in any other district in the state.” Oct 13 2017 .
“This year, 88 percent of SUNY-authorized charter schools outperformed their districts on the state math tests, and 83 percent outperformed their districts on the state reading tests. Students at Success Academy, which is authorized by SUNY, outperformed not only students in New York City’s traditional public schools but those in every other district in the state. ” Oct 11 2017 .
My issue is not charters although I am no fan . It would seem although Kate Taylor may have highlighted child abuse in Eva’s schools the above statements, one in an article on Teacher certification . The other in an article on space being granted to Charters prove that Taylor is no critic of charters when it counts . The most insidious lie of charters is as you point out ” that they outperform”. Most readers of the Times would not care that an individual teacher was found to be abusive when the students in these disadvantaged schools are “Outperforming every district in the state . ” Perhaps Taylor could put that statement into context as you did . Making it far more truthful.
As for Hillary I call a technical foul.
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Joel,
I agree with much of you wrote here. One of my frustrations with the media is that casual repetition of manipulated and meaningless statistics as you noted in those Kate Taylor articles.
But — and this is a big but — I don’t have any reason to think that Taylor is intentionally using misleading statistics just like I don’t have any reason to believe that Bernie Sanders is intentionally misleading the public about “good” public charters. That is my point. There are some good people who are not interested in the nitty gritty details of statistics and numbers and how they can be manipulated to “prove” that something is better. It’s complicated to look at the myriad of ways in which Eva Moskowitz is able to make Success Academy look better than it is “statistically”. Discourage all but the most motivated lottery winning parents from enrolling the child. Suspend 5 year olds who aren’t “ready to learn” because they are more likely to struggle. Target students who seem likely to have learning issues in the first few weeks of school as the dad testified to in the NAACP report on charters. Put kids whose parents are oblivious to how much their kid is unwanted by putting them on got to go lists or refusing to send renewal forms home with them. And, when all else fails, simply flunk a kid as many times as necessary until he finally learns enough to do well or his parents realize they better pull him out if they ever want him to advance. Replace students with those who must meet standards to take an attrition spot for their rightful grade. And, market to a more affluent group of parents when your high attrition rates for at-risk kids start to get noticed.
If you are a charter school given near unlimited funding by billionaires and given unlimited power to get rid of unwanted students by your overseers at SUNY, you can do well.
It’s actually a credit to other charters like KIPP that they haven’t (YET) simply copied Success Academy’s “best practices” to rid themselves of more low-scoring kids and compete for the riches given to those charters that can crow they are the “best in the state”. Sure the other charters also do some pruning of high needs kids that no public school can match. But the ruthlessness of Success Academy in those practices have never been fully examined by a close look at how many at-risk 5 year olds who win their lotteries make it to testing grades.
One reason I liked Hillary Clinton so much is that — as that video I keep posting demonstrated — she was willing to look at the nitty gritty. She got it. She refused to use the general talking points that even the progressives use when talking about results.
I don’t really blame Kate Taylor for not always getting it, just like I don’t blame Elizabeth Warren for not always getting it. It’s complicated. And I have faith – at least for now – that both of them are ultimately looking for the truth. That’s something I can’t say about more co-opted journalists who seem more interested in only investigating what makes charters look good and ignoring all the evidence that undermines their claims. And that’s something I can’t say about more co-opted politicians like Andrew Cuomo.
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Thank you so much for this post. I’m incredibly grateful because the lack of any real oversight of this growing charter network has been astonishing to me.
There are so many red flags that haven’t been looked at closely, but one of the most ignored is the high attrition rate. How high it is has been kept hidden as if it was top secret information. Success Academy loves to quote one of their journalist cheerleaders — WNYC’s Beth Fertig – who did a very limited one year study that seemed to imply that Success Academy doesn’t lose more kids than “average” although it did show that Success Academy has one of the highest attrition rates of any charter network. And recall that Success Academy very likely has one of the highest retention rates, too, so even the students who aren’t leaving are being held back from reaching a testing grade.
But the reason Success Academy promotes limited one year studies is because a one-year study tells you nothing about how many of the entering at-risk Kindergarten students remain until the testing grades and beyond. Fertig limited her study to one year and showed a remarkable lack of curiosity as to how many of the entering Kindergarten children actually make it to testing grades, despite that information being readily available to her.
Click to access school-indicators-for-new-york-city-charter-schools-2013-2014-school-year-july-2015.pdf
This is the one study that gives us clear information of how many entering Kindergarten students leave charters before 3rd grade. Take a look at page 9 where there is a chart: “Extent of Student Attrition and Replacement in Selected Charter Schools”. It shows attrition at 53 charters (including at least 4 Success Academy schools) at 24.5%. Beth Fertig could have requested the IBO provide her with the back up so she could see whether her findings that Success Academy had one of the highest attrition rates also held true for this study. The IBO intentionally presented this attrition as an “average” instead of breaking out the attrition by school but they had that information. There is no reason why Beth Fertig (or any other journalist) didn’t request it from the IBO. Interestingly, the IBO did disaggregate data when it came to performance by charters. The IBO’s report showed that the average charter school performance was unremarkable, but mysteriously chose to disaggregate that data to show that Success Academy’s performance was much higher than any other charter network. But the IBO didn’t do that when it came to attrition rates — when it came to attrition, the IBO kept the information as to which charters had high attrition and which had low hidden.
The fact that the charter school network with the highest suspension rates also has high attrition rates shouldn’t be a surprise. What is a surprise is that this charter discourages half the lottery winners from taking their spot, and they still have high attrition rates with the remaining kids.
There is so much data that journalists should be requesting but they don’t.
There should be a serious study of how many at-risk students who win the Kindergarten lottery don’t make it to a testing grade at Success Academy. And it should include every student who comes to school the first day, and not exclude the ones who are drummed out before October. Is the desire to open more schools in affluent neighborhoods an attempt to hide the high attrition rate for at-risk kids in the schools that serve the more disadvantaged students? The overseers and Eva Moskowitz hope no one will ever ask that question that they don’t want to answer.
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^^quick correction:
The IBO study on page 9 shows that 24.5% “average” attrition rate for Kindergarten lottery winners through third grade only. One quarter of Kindergarten enrollees in a group of charter schools didn’t make it to 3rd grade (or even remain as “retained” students in 2nd grade). They left. If you also include 4th and 5th, you find that 49.5% of the original K lottery winners didn’t make it to 5th grade in those 53 charters. And that includes retained students. Half are gone.
The real breakdown I’d love to see is whether Success Academy schools in that group had an attrition rate that was higher than average. I presume they did because the IBO kept that data hidden while disaggregating the data that made SA look good — their performance on state tests.
Think how easy it is to cherry pick:
First you discourage families who aren’t truly motivated to do all that is asked of them from accepting their spot during the pre-enrollment meetings. Half of them don’t take it.
Then you suspend 5 and 6 year olds who are not at all likely to be acting out violently as Eva Moskowitz claims but are probably being targeted by teachers for their “failings.” The students who drop out will be the lowest performing ones.
If a low performing student doesn’t leave, you simply fail him. If he doesn’t do better, fail him again. By definition, the only ones who move up will be the ones who don’t fail. Voila! Guaranteed 95%+ passing rates.
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Drummed out by October to end up on someone eles’s test score books: we must assertively stop beating up and labeling those schools willing to enroll ALL STUDENTS.
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The theory that Bronx Success #2 (with a testing population that is 98% black and Latino and 63% high-poverty) is simply creaming off the bright students from District 9 neighborhood schools falls apart when you examine the 2017 math scores of select student subpopulations.
In District 9, 6% of students with disabilities were proficient. At Bronx Success #2, 85% were proficient.
In District 9, 6% of English-language learning students were proficient. At Bronx Success #2, 80% were proficient.
In District 9, 19% of socioeconomically disadvantaged children were proficient. At Bronx Success #2, an astounding 95% were proficient.
Families apply to Bronx Success #2 in a blind lottery, where preference is given to residents of District 9. The district is compact and extremely densely populated, and Bronx Success #2 is located on its poorer side, south of the Cross Bronx Expressway. The idea that only the “motivated and compliant” kids with disabilities, kids who are poor, and kids who are learning English are simply beating the lottery odds doesn’t hold any water.
In my experience as a New York City public school parent, I’ve found the vast majority of New York City public school parents I’ve met to be supportive of or indifferent to charters. The few who are opposed tend to fall into two camps, with plenty of overlap: they are or their spouse is a TPS teacher, or someone whose livelihood otherwise depends on traditional public schools, or they own property in the zone of a school that is not fully integrated (which in NYC would mean roughly 70% black/Hispanic and 75% low-income), and they view choice as a threat to their investment. Hardly any of the people who are opposed to charter would send their own child to a residence-assigned traditional public school in District 9.
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You didn’t address a single one of my points. Your reply is typical of Success Academy. You offered up meaningless data that has nothing to do with cherry picking.
Tim, you make the same racist and classist assumptions that Success Academy defenders make.
You act as if it is a “miracle”! that Eva Moskowitz can find enough high performing poor students to teach.
But I just proved to you that there were 10 times as many high performing poor students in the other public schools in the district. The only difference is that they were taught in schools that had a fraction of the money and that had to teach ALL students and not just the ones they wanted to teach.
Stop pretending that the only reason any non-white, non-asian student in the Bronx can do well on state tests is because of Success Academy. It’s offensive.
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I find the people who defend the practices of Success Academy — which suspends as many as 20% of their at-risk KINDERGARTEN children for supposedly violent behavior — are paid shills.
Plenty of charters don’t suspend a lot of children and they don’t lose a lot of children. Plenty of charters keep opening to serve the poorest children instead of abandoning them once they have cherry picked the ones they want and opening 3 schools in very rich District 2 where the previous schools have 2/3 to 3/4 middle class students.
Actions speak louder than words, Tim. You could believe in charters without promoting the dishonesty of a charter that is pretending to work miracles while refusing to work these miracles on a large number of poor kids. Why? Because according to Tim and Eva Moskowitz, rich kids need those miracles, too!
Tim, if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell ya.
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WHOA….racist much?
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As I recall, Success has zero students with severe disabilities. SA doesn’t accept them.
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Yet another deflection fail from Tim He’s on a roll!
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Success academy #2…. success academy #3……huh?? Oh boy this is the modern day PT Barnum using smoke and mirrors and we are all the clowns. Moskowitch is setting herself up for a huge blow up though when the crap hits the fan one of these days.
Yes, a parent will discover the inside workings of this ill fated so called school which is run so moskowitch can earn the insane salary of over half million dollars a year. Of course this bia tch will foster anything she can to maintain her toilet paper schools and her flush me down the drain teachers who basically are flushed down the drain when they finish crapping.
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Just FYI, it’s considered very bad form to not use a consistent screen name. It makes you look like a troll.
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What would Archie Bunker say to Eva Moskowitch about her so called schools? Anyone care to comment on that one
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I don’t know for certain whether this particular Success school doesn’t serve students who require a self-contained setting, but if it doesn’t, that puts it in the same company as PS 321, PS 29, PS 6, PS 41, and about 40% of all the traditional public elementary schools in New York City. The popular claim that neighborhood schools serve all children is a myth.
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Tim, how do you explain this video?
JAYBEE SMALLEY: “My name is Jaybee Smalley. I’m a parent, yes. I have two children with special needs. I have one child who I applied to the Harlem Success Academy through the lottery process to see if she could be… would be accepted.
“When she WAS accepted through the lottery, I reached out to them (Harlem Success Academy) before I attended any sort of a orientation to see if they would be able to accommodate her I.E.P. She has a 12-to-1-to-1 I.E.P. for a year-round program, with four different related services.
“They didn’t respond to me through email at all.. and finally, after the second meeting had come, I called them —- I had a very difficult time getting through to them —- Before I could get the words ’12-to-1-to-1′ out of my mouth, they immediately told me that they would absolutely not be able to accommodate that sort of child in their school.”
x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Tim, is Ms. Smalley lying?
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Jack,
This isn’t complicated.
The particular Success school that this parent found a spot in does not have a 12:1:1 class, and state laws make transfers between different individual schools in a charter network very difficult.
So the response this mother (who was seeking options other than her zoned school) received is no different from the response she’d have gotten if she were zoned for PS 321, PS 29, PS 107, PS 41, or most of the wealthy and predominantly white high-performing NYC DOE elementary schools: we don’t have 12:1:1 classes and your child cannot come here.
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According to your numbers, assuming they are correct (which we can’t, given your history as a charter apologist and deflector, but let’s pretend), that means 60% of neighborhood public schools offer self-contained settings for special needs children.
That seems to compare quite favorably to the 0 % served by Moskowitz and her ilk.
Forget it, Tim, you’re trying to excuse the inexcusable, and it shows.
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Good point, Michael.
Eva will never accept the kids who require intense services because they would pull down her scores.
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The numbers are all taken straight from data.nysed.gov.
Several Success schools do offer 12:1:1 classes and the network plans to add more, space permitting. The results Success gets with 12:1:1 kids are also astonishingly good.
I agree that it is inexcusable that so many of the whitest, wealthiest, highest-performing NYC DOE neighborhood schools do not serve children who require self-contained classes. What’s your plan for addressing it? If you don’t have a plan, then why is it acceptable for individual TPS’s not to serve all students, but not acceptable for charters to do the same?
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Tim is blatantly offering up falsehoods.
Every single NYC school district offers a 12:1:1 class. Tim absolutely knows that every child whose parents are given “the talk” that the Success Academy dad testified to in NAACP hearings at Success Academy goes back to their public school district that is OBLIGATED to teach him, transport him (if there is not a 12:1:1 class in his school), and not dump him in the manner that Eva Moskowitz has so perfected and her staff embraces.
Tim doesn’t mention that Eva Moskowitz could easily use some of her vast resources to bus any child to a different Success Academy school that DOES have a 12:1:1 class. Of course, she is unwilling to spend the money on that when there is PR to be done to promote her own brand. Plus those kids are not as likely to get the high test scores and it’s much harder for her teachers to use that “we’ll make you feel misery until you leave” tactics on kids with special needs. Better to discourage them from enrolling in the first place like the HALF of all lottery winners who mysteriously don’t enroll in this charter that is the best in the state.
What is funniest (or saddest) is hearing Tim pretending that Eva Moskowitz is “blocked” from teaching those lottery winners with special needs in a different school! Eva Moskowitz isn’t blocked from doing anything she wants — whether it is suspending huge numbers of 5 year olds or releasing the private records of a 6 year old child as punishment for his going public. Or getting SUNY to let her train her own teachers. Or changing its charter after the fact so it doesn’t have to give priority to at-risk kids anymore and can have 3 schools in District 2 where there are are more affluent and middle class kids than poor ones! Sometimes twice as many!
The fact that it isn’t just Eva Moskowitz but every high level SA administrator who have left their integrity at the door in exchange for their overpaid salaries should give us all pause. Embrace Betsy DeVos? Of course! If my boss Eva tells me to shut up and do what she says I will be complicit. Every single one of those administrators is complicit.
Although it is obvious that some of them have leaked to Kate Taylor because they couldn’t stand being complicit anymore.
Did you all find out who those evil leakers at Success Academy were, Tim? Make sure that staff with integrity are summarily fired? I noticed not one of them spoke up to criticize Betsy DeVos. Did they get their marching orders from Eva Moskowitz that they better agree with her that DeVos was a terrific pick? Or did they just decide their high salary was enough to keep quiet. Complicit.
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Tim also offers the false statistic that the kids with special needs who are allowed to attend Success Academy schools and are allowed to remain in the school through 3rd grade do well on state tests.
Tim thinks we will be impressed that a charter that only takes the mildest of special needs cases and ruthlessly gets rid of those kids among them who don’t get high test scores, gets high test scores with the kids who remain!
Tim’s “statistics” should be as believable as a cancer treatment center that claims that 100% of their cancer patients go into remission! And then you go there and your cancer advances and you are told to leave as their low-paid staff “can’t help you” like the trained doctors at real cancer treatment hospitals can.
Of course, if you talk like a con man, as Trump and Eva Moskowitz and some commercial cancer treatment chains, you can fool many people into believing that your 100% success rates are because you have a secret cancer treatment. Or a secret sauce for educating voters. Or a secret plan to offer great health care to all Americans for less money.
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^^^^Correction:
“Or a secret sauce for educating kids with special needs. Or a secret plan to offer great health care to all Americans for less money.
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This is the point that I am trying to make:
Eva Moskowitz and Success Academy schools are NOT “racist”. They do not target children for removal because of their ethnic, racial or socio economic background. They welcome students from every race and religion. They welcome the poorest students. As long as those students can do the work.
BUT….and this is a very big but….Success Academy gets away with many of their most abhorrent practices because of the racism of their oversight agency and some of the media. They use the racism in our society to get away with the absurd lie that the only reason all those non-white parents would pull their children from a top performing charter school twice as often as they leave a mediocre charter school is that those parents don’t value excellent schools.
I am certain that if a principal of a charter school that was mostly middle class and mostly white was announcing that he suspended huge numbers of kindergarten students from the charter because they were all doing naturally violent things that were only due to their upbringing and nature, the media would not simply nod their heads and say “of course, no need to look further”. I have no doubt that their oversight agencies – when some of those white middle class parents complained — would NOT just say “we are going to just assume all your children are violent kindergarten students.”
Success Academy knows it can get away with practices that end up targeting mostly African-American and Latino students because when they claim that their parents are only pulling out their kids because they just don’t want their kids to have the best free education in the state, racist white people will believe them.
In Arizona, the high performing charter chain is BASIS, whose results are just as similarly way out of whack with any other charter school. Like Success Academy, BASIS loses lots of students. But the students who leave are more likely to be middle class and white. BASIS doesn’t have to criminalize their behavior to justify why they leave. That is because BASIS is in a state where they have no obligation to teach at-risk kids at all. BASIS makes no bones about making it clear that they are for high performers only.
But Success Academy gets their donations to promote a lie. The lie is that they are educating the same students as public schools for less money but getting extraordinarily results because of using non-union teachers.
They could not get away with that lie if the children who are drummed out of their school weren’t primarily African-American and Latino. Notice how many of their complaints have been completely ignored by the SUNY Charter Institute. That’s racism. Racism is the belief that as long as a charter educates some African-American and Latino students, that means that any parents who complain that their child is one of the students who isn’t wanted is simply lying or deluded and their complaints should always be ignored.
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“Choice, doesn’t mean choice for everyone.”
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NYC PSP,
Tim did not claim that some DISTRICTS did not offer 12:1:1 classes, he claimed that some SCHOOLS did not offer 12:1:1 classes.
He provided a partial list of schools that do not offer 12:1:1 classes (PS 321, PS 29, PS 6, PS 41) that he claims do not serve these students. Do you claim that these public schools do serve these students?
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It is exactly because of this sort of blatant bad-faith straw man argument that I no longer directly engage with that particular commenter.
Anyone can look up the numbers via the following link. Scroll down to “received self-contained services >60% of the week.”
http://schools.nyc.gov/SchoolPortals/15/K321/AboutUs/Statistics/register.htm
You can tweak district, borough abbreviation, and school number to look up the others. With few exceptions, the whitest, wealthiest, and highest performing NYC DOE neighborhood schools serve zero or a ❤ children who need self-contained services. Why is this acceptable?
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Eva has many schools and zero students in need of intensive special education services
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What is your definition of “intensive special education services?”
If it includes students in a 12:1:1 self-contained class, then yes, the network does provide such classes. Confirmation of this can be found in this grant application (p. 25)—5 sections in 3 schools as of 2014-2015. More 12:1:1 sections have been added since.
Click to access successacademyapp.pdf
If you are talking about children who require a 6:1:1, 8:1:1, or 12:1:4 class, then no, Success does not provide such classes. However, neither do most NYC DOE traditional public schools. There is an entirely separate unzoned district, District 75, to educate the 25,000 or so children with the most serious disabilities.
Every New York City child enrolled in a D75 school, or in a private, usually non-unionized, NYSED-approved “851” school at taxpayer expense, is zoned for a traditional neighborhood school. We have no problem accepting that not every traditional neighborhood school can accommodate every single child, and in the case of a school like PS 321, we have seemingly given up even asking them to try. Why is this state of affairs perfectly fine for traditional public schools but not for charters?
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teachingeconomist,
I am not certain why you would be supporting Tim’s false equivalency.
I have no personal knowledge of those specific schools. What I do have personal knowledge of is that if your child is zoned for a neighborhood school that does not have the accommodations to serve them, they will be given a bus to a nearby school that does. Not told “sorry, we can’t accommodate you, please go to that charter school so you can be off our books forever because we refuse to teach you in any way, shape or form.” It doesn’t matter of PS 29 offers a class if a school that is nearby does and your child is being educated in the system with all his costs paid from the public school budget.
teachingeocnomist, are you claiming that if PS 29 doesn’t have a 12:1:1 class the kid is out of luck and his parents have to pay their own private school for him? Or find a charter school willing to take him on? That is a big lie. That child gets a nearby 12:1:1 placement.
But Eva Moskowitz doesn’t offer a placement elsewhere. She claims she doesn’t have space while she demands the right to use all her empty space for the pre-ks that she previously claimed were a waste of money.
Eva Moskowitz wants to have a charter network the size of a city like Pittsburgh where every child is above average and if they aren’t, she simply dumps them instead of figuring out ways to accommodate their needs.
I am shocked you call yourself an “economist” and don’t see any problem with having two systems in which one can drum out every kid who costs more than the “average” per pupil allocation they get and forces the other system to bear the cost of their education.
If you knew anything about NYC you would not have inserted yourself into this discussion. Having a 12:1:1 class in a neighboring school versus the zoned school is still accommodating them. Using that as an excuse for why Tim claims Success Academy gets a pass for drumming out special needs kids is wrong. And I’m surprised that you would support him doing so.
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teachingeconomist, I don’t think you realize the false equivalency you are supporting.
Think of it as for-profit “Cancer Center” versus Sloan Kettering. “Cancer Center” tells every patient with advanced cancer that is tough to treat that they can’t accommodate them. If one of the patients they do treat doesn’t do well under treatment, they dump them because their cancer is too advanced for them to treat anymore – they just don’t have the facilities. Then “Cancer Center” brags that they have 100% cure rates and compare themselves to Sloan Kettering which “fails” so many patients because every patients isn’t cured.
When I point out that the comparison is nonsense, because “Cancer Center” refuses to take on patients whose cancers are hard to treat, Tim – their great defender – says “but floor 7 at Sloan Kettering doesn’t treat patients with advanced cancers so why should “Cancer Center” have to treat them.”
And it is “true” that floor 7 happens to be for cancer patients with early stage cancer. So what? If the patients with more advanced cancers happen to be treated on floors 6 and 8 and not floor 7, why does that justify “Cancer Center” refusing to treat patients with advanced cancers or dumping them? Because a floor at Sloan Kettering doesn’t treat them there but treats them on another floor?
Hopefully you will understand how ridiculous Tim’s attempts to mislead are.
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NYC PSP,
I am posting in defense of honesty and reasonable debate. Tim made a claim about individual SCHOOLS and you turned it into a claim about DISTRICTS. The falsehood you should complain about is your own.
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TE,
Eva’s chain has 15,000 students. It is a district.
NYC PSP comparison was correct.
If she doesn’t want a student, the student is not her responsibility.
The public schools must make arrangements for all children.
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My post has nothing to say about Success Academy Schools comprising a district or not (though if poster Tim is correct that there are legal barriers outside of the control of Success Academy that make it difficult for students to be transferred from one school to the other, the SA chain does not have at least one important characteristic of a school district)
My point was that poster Tim’s statement was about Schools, not districts. It is as if poster Tim claimed that Tyler Wade’s batting average for the last season was .155 and NYC PSP states that Tim is offering up a blatant falsehood: the NY Yankees team batting average for the past season was .262.
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teachingeconomist,
There is nothing honest about what you just posted. You seem to want to mislead in this debate and defend Tim and attack me. Why?
This discussion is about whether a charter network of over ten thousand students cherry picks their students. I provided ample evidence that they did.
Do you understand the meaning of the word “cherry pick”?
I demonstrated the cherry picking going on by comparing the school Tim cited with the nearby district school that Eva Moskowitz challenged people to compare it to. I proved that Success Academy was not educating its share of students who were poor, who were ELL, who had disabilities. I did that by comparing it both to the nearby public school that Eva Moskowitz challenged people to compare her school to, and to the district as a whole.
Since Tim had no answer for the fact I met Eva Moskowitz’ challenge to show how SA Bronx 2 cherry picked children, he tried to distract by offering up a meaningless comparison to a few individual schools in far away districts where the 12:1:1 students are taught in nearby public schools.
I explained exactly why Tim’s comparison to a few neighborhood schools located in different school districts was a completely irrelevant comparison to make because Success Academy Bronx 2 did not provide an education for those students ANYWHERE and those comparison schools do.
The 7th floor of Sloan Kettering may have only the patients with stage 1 cancers. Sloan Kettering may move their patients with advanced cancers to the 6th and 8th floors. But Sloan Kettering is taking care of those patients within the system.
The “charter” cancer hospital that refuses to treat patients with advanced cancers ANYWHERE in their system does not.
Success Academy charter school network does not educate its share of ELL students, disadvantaged students, students with disabilities.
But the ONE group that is over represented at Success Academy Bronx 2 is students who are NOT economically disadvantaged! And that over representation is not there in Kindergarten but somehow happens by 3rd grade. That’s cherry picking.
Why would you attack me for pointing out the absurdity of Tim’s comparison. It is wrong to justify the fact that a cancer treatment center won’t treat advanced cancer patients by whining that “the 7th floor of Sloan-Kettering doesn’t have any advanced cancer patients either”. Especially when you know full-well that Sloan-Kettering treats those patients on floors 6 and 8 and the other cancer treatment center refuses to treat them at all or dumps them.
One of us is dishonest here but it is you. If a public school advocate was claiming that PS 29’s remarkably high test scores “proved” it had a special sauce to educate all students, I would call them out for being just as dishonest as Tim is. Would you? Or would you say “wow, you are right, PS 29 is remarkable and should be praised though the roof as Tim praises SA Bronx 2.”
Are you a hypocrite or not?
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NYC PSP,
Once again, my post only concerns the narrow point that poster Tim made a claim about schools and in your accusation about him telling a falsehood you changed poster Tim’s claim into one about districts.
Do you understand the difference between a school and a district?
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Sarcasm unwarranted.
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teachingeconomist,
You say: “Do you understand the difference between a school and a district?”
Why would you post a sarcastic question like that to my reply?
You keep mischaracterizing my comments and ignoring what Diane Ravitch said in response to you in order to justify your unwarranted attacks on me. Why?
In my response to Tim that offended you so greatly, I addressed the misleading point that Tim was making to justify why Success Academy Bronx 2 was cherry picking students and serving so few students with disabilities. I explained that the proper comparison was not to a single school in a far away district and that Tim’s reasons for using that to justify why Bronx 2 wasn’t serving its share of needier students was deceptive.
Tim is correct (I assume) that in some districts the 12:1:1 class is located in a neighboring public school and not housed in every school. But those students are being taught in nearby public schools that have 12:1:1 classes. Not told to go to a charter school to get them out of the public school system and force charters to teach them. And when Eva Moskowitz compares her Success Academy schools to nearby public schools, she doesn’t cherry pick the public with the least disadvantaged students which has the special privilege of “encouraging” students to leave or flunking them as many times as they want so that they don’t reach testing grades.
Tim used that nonsensical comparison to attempt to undermine my comment that Success Academy Bronx 2 does not serve the same population of students as neighboring public schools in its own District 9. Eva Moskowitz challenged anyone to show that they did not, and I did that.
Tim’s meaningless comparison of SA Bronx 2 to a far away public school doesn’t change the fact that SA Bronx 2 cherry picks students and yet compares itself to public schools that do not.
The fact that you are angry at me for addressing Tim’s attempt to distract from Bronx 2 having a far more advantaged student population with fewer disabilities, ELL students, etc. by nonsensically comparing it to a far away public school that serves students in a different borough and accusing me of being dishonest in doing so seems quite shocking to me.
You seem to be avoiding addressing the larger point. If you believe as Tim does that the students at Success Academy Bronx 2 are not cherry picked but truly reflect the population and demographics in the district where they are located, then say that. Criticize my methodology if you want to.
Do you agree with Tim’s assertion that Success Academy Bronx 2 has similar demographics to the schools in the district where it is located? Or do you agree with my assertion that Bronx 2 serves a significantly higher % of students who are NOT economically disadvantaged, not disabled, and not ELL?
Perhaps you don’t want to offer an opinion and continue to attack me instead. That speaks volumes in itself.
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teachingeconomist, I read one of your later posts and you seem to be intentionally ignoring Tim’s statement:
Tim’s comment @ November 15, 2017 at 9:45 am
“why is it acceptable for individual TPS’s not to serve all students, but not acceptable for charters to do the same?”
What a truly misleading question to ask.
Tim had absolutely no facts to use to counter my evidence that Success Academy Bronx 3 has very different demographics than the neighboring public schools. I took up Eva Moskowitz challenge and proved her wrong.
So instead of acknowledging my point, Tim now claims that it is absolutely fine for Success Academy to refuse to teach special needs kids anywhere in their system as long as he can find a single public school that sends their special needs kids to the the district’s 12:1:1 program located in a neighborhood school.
Your comparison to Yankee batting averages is way off.
“it’s as if poster Tim claimed that Tyler Wade’s batting average for the last season was .155 and NYC PSP states that Tim is offering up a blatant falsehood: the NY Yankees team batting average for the past season was .262.”
That analogy is blatantly false, teachingeconomist. You seem to have some kind of agenda to push.
If you agree with Tim that a charter should have no obligation to teach their share of at-risk children and ELL children and children with special needs as long as Tim can find a public school somewhere that doesn’t have their share, then just say so.
It pretty much shows how far the charter movement has fallen.
Charters were lying when they said “we want to teach all those children trapped in failing public schools”. What they really meant was “why should our charter have to teach all those difficult low-income children trapped in failing public schools if that public school over in that rich Manhattan district does not? We refuse to teach any poor kids who don’t make the cut and if that means we have far more affluent students and don’t teach kids with special needs, then tough luck.”
So much for the disadvantaged kids, right teachingeconomist? They didn’t really need those charters anyway, and those charters REALLY don’t need most of them anyway.
Cherry picking. Justified by Tim and teachingeconomist. Because there is a school somewhere in a rich neighborhood that doesn’t teach its share of disadvantaged students so why shouldn’t Success Academy get to cherry pick, too!
I suppose I should be grateful that at least you aren’t pretending charters don’t cherry pick anymore.
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Diane & All,
There should be a simple answer: if NYS and/or NYC statutes permit/authorize audits of enrollment and student performance details, including scores prior to enrollment, they should be requested. Moskowitz should be asked, if she will allow an independent audit. If she doesn’t a request should be made to the mayor and whatever body has authority over the charter schools.
If she refuses, she is hiding compromising information.
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Eva Moskowitz sued in court to prevent an audit. I believe the only audit that was allowed was the NYC Comptroller’s office doing a financial audit. But this is not about cooking the books financially. Success Academy doesn’t really have to do that as they have plenty of money.
This is about running a charter school whose mode of operation involves discouraging certain types of students from enrolling in the school and if they do, from remaining in the school.
The SUNY Charter Institute could and should have been doing audits of enrollment, long-term attrition rates, retention rates, etc. But that would be cooking the goose that lays the golden eggs for them. They do not want to know and the best way not to know is to pretend that if WNYC reporter Beth Fertig looks at a single year of data, their job is done and they should let Eva Moskowitz have a dozen more schools and suspend as many 5 year olds as her heart desires. No questions asked. As long as the students who are allowed to get to third grade and take state tests score high.
I have always believed the most culpable people in this corruption is the SUNY Charter Institute Board and the Executive Director of the Charter Institute. They have enabled every bad practice and abandoned any real oversight beyond “as long as the test scores are high, we will ignore the many parent complaints.”
I can’t tell you how often SUNY’s response to Success Academy getting caught doing something wrong is some version of “we asked Eva Moskowitz and she told us it is an anomaly so we are good.”
The SUNY Charter Institute is like the Republican Congress with Trump in power. Trump couldn’t be doing what he does without the Republicans in Congress enabling him by refusing to do their job to check his power and keep him honest. And Eva Moskowitz could not be doing what she is doing without the SUNY Charter Institute giving her whatever she wants. Among the list of what she wants that the SUNY Charter Institute has given her:
Schools in the richest NYC school districts that give priority to students who live in the district instead of priority to at-risk students. Check.
Ability to suspend as many 5 year olds as she wants without SUNY ever questioning why the top performing charter network would also get more violent kindergarten children than any lower performing charters. Check.
Early renewals of many charter schools in which SUNY says “we don’t need to wait because we already have all the information we need to know that your charters are absolutely perfect in every way.” Check.
Allowing charters to hire and train their own teachers, despite the fact that their previous “model teachers” and principals who have been trained by their system are caught doing bad practices. Check.
Until we get a new Governor other than the very co-opted recipient of pro-charter millions like Andrew Cuomo is, the SUNY board members will continue to be complicit enablers of Eva Moskowitz’ bad practices. If we had a new Governor who was not 100% pro-Eva Moskowitz because his donors are, there might be an audit.
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It turns out that Success Academy actually admits that it doesn’t have the needed numbers of at-risk students. As background, Success Academy (and other charters I believe) are given mandatory target numbers for “at risk” populations, that their schools must meet. The populations are Economically Disadvantaged (ED), English Language Learners (ELL), and Students With Disabilities (SWD).
In documents assessing Success Academy Charter Schools – NYC (the umbrella organization of many of the Success Academies), Success Academy provides graphs showing whether each of its school has met these targets. In a 2017, they list 24 Success Academies (not sure why only 24), and literally not one of those schools has met all three targets! Only 3 of the 24 have met the ED target. Only 3 of the 24 have met the ELL target. And only 2 of the 24 have met the SWD target.
(The data is all here, shoved way back in the last Appendix, on pages AX35-42 — it is laid out well, though, and is easy to read: http://www.newyorkcharters.org/wp-content/uploads/SABergenBeach.5.17.17.pdf)
Take a look. Some of the numbers are shockingly below the targets, especially when Eva constantly crows about her extensive waitlists.
What needs to happen is that her governing body, the SUNY Charter Schools Committee, needs to make her comply with her mandate and meet every single enrollment target, or be put out of business.
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Eva Moskowitz could not have done what she has done without the express encouragement and approval of the SUNY Charter Institute.
She asks and they grant. I have been following SUNY for quite a while and after each revelation I think “now they will have to ask questions”. They don’t. Their desire not to ask any questions has gone from obliviousness to something that seems to be veering to corruption. How do they keep giving their charter network early renewals and more locations in very wealthy school districts without once asking about why they aren’t serving their share of students with higher needs?
I heard Joseph Belluck say at a meeting 3 years ago that he was going to convene a committee to talk about convening another committee to see whether these charters were serving their share of kids with special needs. Or something similar that demonstrated all SUNY cared about was appearance and not reality. But have they done so? SUNY prefers to overlook all data except one: how do the students who are allowed to reach 3rd grade at a charter do on state tests? Making that their focus incentivizes bad behavior. SUNY itself should be the subject of an investigation as to how they do oversight when it is a powerful charter chain.
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Couldn’t agree more NYC Public School Parent. The group is about as much of a rubber stamp as anyone could ask for. Belluck said this August that it’d be difficult for him to allow expansion of Success Academy given Board Chairman Daniel Loeb’s racist comment aimed at Senator Andrea Stewart-Cousins. And yet there are 8 Success Academies that remain in the process of early renewal.
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And then Belluck went against every bit of professional advice and allowed charters to train their own teachers. And the ONLY reason he did that was so Eva Moskowitz could expand her schools more quickly without having to worry about having trained teachers.
When Belluck did that, it was expressly to make sure Eva Moskowitz could expand more quickly. If she had opposed it, would it have happened?
The number of times that the SUNY Charter Institute has granted special privileges to Success Academy is astonishing. From allowing them to change their charter to dump priority for at-risk kids and change a school location from a poor to rich neighborhood (perhaps the most blatant action that led to the resignation of Pedro Noguera) to breaking their own rules and giving early renewals to Success Academy schools, there are a string of questionable actions that should have led to media questioning of Belluck.
Belluck should have been asked what investigations has SUNY done in their oversight capacity to address the many complaints of parents at Success Academy and the many reports of wrongdoing? There is no evidence they have done any at all.
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The state’s charter school law recognizes that since enrollment in a charter school is strictly voluntary, it may be difficult for individual schools to attract student subgroups in the exact same percentages as their home districts. Schools must make an intensive, well-documented good-faith effort toward meeting enrollment targets: http://www.nyccharterschools.org/sites/default/files/resources/NYSCharterSchoolsActof1998_with2014amendments_0.pdf
By the way, congratulations to Hastings-on-Hudson on the election of Donald Trump and the end of HUD’s consent decree! Now there’s no longer a need for spectacularly non-diverse districts like yours to even pay lip service to integration and inclusion.
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Tim,
You sound remarkably like the Trump voters who say “let’s not talk about anything improper Donald Trump is doing, let’s investigate Hillary Clinton instead”.
Hastings-on-Hudson has nothing to do with NYC. And Eva Moskowitz is perfectly free to open a charter in Hastings-on-Hudson that only accepts at-risk children and those with the most severe special needs.
You seem to be concerned with them, just like you are concerned with the children in Bronx District 9. Too bad Eva Moskowitz is opening so many schools in Manhattan District 2. I guess her concern for those kids is about as deep as the parents in Hasting-on-Hudson.
But we knew that when she got SUNY to break their own rules and allow her to change her charter to drop priority to any at-risk kids. You knew that, too. You just find it much more rewarding to try to change the subject, just like Trump’s minions do.
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^^Another problem with Tim’s claim that Eva Moskowitz would have 12:1:1 classes if only she had more space:
Eva Moskowitz — who fought so hard against universal pre-k when de Blasio wanted it — now insists that she should be given state money to open lots of pre-ks in her schools.
Apparently she has plenty of space to open pre-ks. But not 12:1:1 classes.
Maybe Tim can explain that for us.
And maybe next time Eva Moskowitz tells a journalist she wishes she could serve her share of special needs kids and didn’t have to advise them to go elsewhere, the journalist will ask why she has so much room for pre-ks when she insisted that pre-ks were far less important than her charters providing K-12 seats to more students.
Tim, what’s your answer to that? Silence?
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I’ve said this before, in other threads. It bears repetition. For decades, NYC Alternate High Schools had some schools with terrific student performance. The admission criteria were simple: bring both parents to an interview. BRING BOTH PARENTS TO AN INTERVIEW!
The mere fact that a kid had proactive parents, and that they were both there was enough. See how easy to “tilt” the score? The performance aggregations are SO easy to “tilt” when you can manipulate your student body in subtle ways.
How about “number of times absent in the past year” (not days absent-times). EASY PEASY! The kid who is absent more than ten days (days in this example). ANOTHER GIMME. The numbers are easy to “tilt”
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David-S,
You are correct, and that is one reason that Success Academy is such a particularly bad actor.
Every school of “choice” begins with a huge advantage as you described. Most charters are satisfied with the huge advantage that they receive just by being a school of choice.
But not Success Academy. What became clear to me as I started to pay attention is that their goal was not “how many at-risk students without good schools can we teach in our charters”?
Instead their goal was “What can we do to make our charter’s results sky high and profit enormously by promoting the false myth that we have discovered the secret sauce that – if done correctly as our charter does — will result in 100% success rates while spending less money.”
It’s similar to Donald Trump claiming he can repeal Obamacare and offer better health insurance to 100% of Americans and they will all have lower premiums and get great coverage and we can cut taxes for everyone, especially on the wealthiest Americans, too! Make America Great Again.
Donald Trump was lying when he claimed he could do that. The news media knew he was lying. But they couldn’t quite come out and say that he was a blatant liar during the entire campaign and that no one should trust a word out of his mouth because he lies constantly.
The truth is that the news media and every parent in the school very likely knows that Eva Moskowitz is not honest when she claims the students in her schools are no different from those in the neighboring public schools.
Tim — who is Eva Moskowitz’ alter ego on this blog — did exactly that when he tried to convince us that the students at Bronx Success Academy 2 were absolutely no different than the other public schools in the same Bronx District.
At some point we can’t just say that these people are “mistaken”. Trump wasn’t mistaken. He was blatantly lying because his goal was not to provide Americans with the best health care possible. His goal was to WIN. What other reason did Trump have to lie if his goal was not to win?
And that is the goal of Eva Moskowitz and Tim, her alter ego on here. Their goal is not to help figure out how to improve public education in this country. Their goal is to win. To win more charters and win more public money and donations and win more donations from billionaires and win more power.
What other reason would they have to mislead the public about what their charter network is all about?
What other reason would they have to justify high suspension rates by claiming that a charter school that begins with exactly the advantage you describe would somehow still get a class of Kindergarten children where 20% or more of them act out so violently that they have to be suspended?
Eva Moskowitz had the chance to be a truthful person. Just like Trump did. Both chose a different path. Eva Moskowitz gave multiple news interviews and wrote op eds stating for the record that Betsy DeVos was a terrific choice for Secretary of Education because she was so strongly committed to education for poor kids. Eva Moskowitz demanded that the Senate approve Betsy DeVos and told them in no uncertain terms why she was so wonderful. Just like Trump told us how he’ll provide a great alternative to Obamacare that will be just terrific.
Hearing Tim defend Eva Moskowitz is exactly like hearing Trump supporters defending him. Distract, mislead, point fingers.
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Eva’s s Charter Schools do not accept any students with severe disabilities. What is your point?
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Tim has tried to deflect from the main point of this post, which is to show that Success Academy can and does cherry pick students in Bronx 2.
I isolated the data from the NYSED website for 3rd grade only, and it turns out that while nearly 26% of the 3rd graders in District 9 have disabilities, less than 13% of the 3rd grade students at SA Bronx 2 have disabilities. So not only do they not accept any students with severe disabilities, they don’t even come close to teaching their share of students with any disabilities at all.
It’s even worse when it comes to ELL students in the 3rd grade. Bronx 2 has only 1/3 the number of ELL students it should be serving (less than 8% when District 9 has 25% in their 3rd grade). Success Academy will use the excuse that this is because of their remarkable ability to turn ELL students into non-ELL students. However, a check of this cohort in Kindergarten three years earlier shows that the number of ELL students entering K at Bronx 3 was still 1/3 fewer than the district average. So not serving their share of ELL students happened from day 1 in Kindergarten.
Finally, here is the most glaring indication of cherry picking: In 2014 the lottery winning Kindergarten class had 103 economically disadvantaged students. But three years later that cohort taking the 3rd grade exams had only 75 economically disadvantaged students.
And even more odd, the number of students who were NOT economically disadvantaged went from 18 in the Kindergarten class to 43 taking the 3rd grade exams!
Either a remarkably high number of parents suddenly stopped being poor after their child won a Kindergarten seat at SA Bronx 3, or a remarkably high number of poor students left and were replaced with far less disadvantaged students.
And that’s how you cherry pick.
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