Marc Tucker is glad to see the U.S. Department of Education acknowledging that American students spend too much time being tested and preparing for tests. But, he writes, it didn’t go far enough to take responsibility for the multiplication of redundant tests.
He writes:
A new report from the Council of the Great City Schools has done what seemingly nothing or no one has yet been able to do: Convince the current administration that the rampant over-testing in U.S. schools is proving harmful for the quality of education that our students receive.
The report found that students take, on average, more than 112 standardized tests between pre-K and grade 12, with the average student taking about eight standardized tests per year. Some are intended to “fulfill federal requirements under No Child Left Behind, NCLB waivers, or Race to the Top (RTT), while many others originate at the state and local levels. Others were optional.”
Now the administration is signaling that they see the error of their and their predecessors’ ways. Calling for a two percent cap on the amount of classroom time that is spent on testing, and a host of other proposals, the administration’s mea culpa is an unexpected demonstration of what can occur when the facts are laid bare for all to see. How much is actually done to reverse the over-testing trend will be decided by the actions of incoming acting Secretary of Education John King.
The tone of flexibility in the Department’s announcement is new and welcome, as is its recognition that the Department may share some culpability in the national revolt against testing. Its call for fewer and higher quality assessments is on target, as is its willingness to help the states come up with more sensible approaches.
What I don’t see in the administration’s proposals is understanding that the vast proliferation of indiscriminate testing with cheap, low quality tests is the direct result of federal education policies beginning with No Child Left Behind and continuing with Race to the Top and the current waiver regime. I offer you one phrase in the Department’s announcement in evidence of this proposition: “The Department will work with states that wish to amend their ESEA flexibility waiver plans to reduce testing…while still maintaining teacher and leader evaluation and support systems that include growth in student learning.”
But it is precisely the federal government’s insistence on requiring testing regimes that facilitate teacher and leader evaluations that include student growth metrics that caused all this over-testing in the first place.
Outstanding principals I’ve talked with tell me that when tough-minded, test-based accountability came into vogue, they created or found good interventions that came with their own assessments, each keyed to the intervention they were using. They had always done that. But their district superintendents, also fearful for their jobs under the new regime, mandated other interventions, with their own tests. Then the state piled on with their own mandated programs and tests, all driven by the fear of leaders, at each level, that if student performance did not improve at the required rate, their own jobs were on the line. Few of these interventions were aligned with the new standards or with each other. But time was of the essence. Better a non-aligned instructional program than none at all. Better a cheap test of basic skills they could afford than a much more expensive one they could not afford.
What sent the numbers right over the cliff was pacing. School administrators, focused on having their students score well on the basic skills tests used by the state accountability systems, pushed schools enrolling large numbers of disadvantaged students to figure out where the students needed to be at set intervals during the year. This determined the pace of instruction. It also made it much easier for administrators to get control over the instruction. All that remained was to administer a test at each of those intervals—say every month or couple of months—to see whether the teachers were keeping pace with the scripted curriculum and the students were making enough progress to do well at the end of the semester or year….
The key for great school leaders isn’t formal evaluation and it isn’t firing people. Only Donald Trump, evidently, fired his way to the top. The key is running a great school that great people want to work in, and then spending a lot of time identifying, recruiting and supporting those great people. Principals who work this way often let their staff know that they expect them to work hard. Those who do not want to work so hard go elsewhere. But these principals do not depend on test-based accountability systems to identify the slackers nor do they depend on test-based accountability systems to identify the teachers they want to hire or to develop them once they are hired.. Why should they? They are in classrooms all the time, talking and observing, coaching and supporting.
The data reported by the Council of the Great City Schools reveal a calamity. The cause is our national accountability system. The flexibility offered by the Department of Education is welcome and refreshing, but it is not the answer. The answer will have to wait for the day when the federal government no longer insists that the states and schools use test-based accountability and value-added strategies to assess individual teachers with consequences for individual teachers. John King did not create this system. Perhaps he can help this country change it. We’ll see.

The LA Times actually had an editorial today in support of less testing.
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Considering the COMPLETE INVALIDITY of standardized testing and the educational standards upon which those tests are based the only right and just course of action is:
NO TESTING*!–NONE OF THE TIME!
*unless it is a local classroom teacher made test and/or a diagnostic test used for purposes of diagnosing a disability so that a student may get the correct help that he/she needs
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Duane, you might not have encountered much of the idea of Multi-Tiered System of Support (MTSS or RtI) as a high school world language teacher. The amount of benchmark assessment for all students and progress monitoring assessment for for at-risk students required as part of the MTSS process can be considerable. For states that have adopted MTSS/RTI as the preferred framework for determining whether a specific learning disability is present, it’s a reality many educators face.
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I too am cautiously optimistic that the Obama Administration has taken tentative steps to reduce over-testing. However, I don’t see evidence that there is a fundamental shift the values and goals that frame their education policies. Over-testing is certainly a huge problem. But, the type and role of testing is a bigger problem than the number of assessments. As I argued here (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/01/what-if-we-approached-testing-this-way/), if we expect learning improvement, we need to shift the focus of assessment from consequential summative assessment to daily examination of student work that informs both students and teachers. In addition, we need to abandon the evidenceless idea that judging teaching effectiveness based on value-added measures of student performance can be a lever for improvement. Further, the Administration’s continued support for the expansion of charter schools is a fundamental threat to equitable democratically governed public education and the value of community responsibility (http://www.arthurcamins.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Education-reform-and-the-corrosion-of-community-responsibility-_-The-Answer-Sheet.pdf). Finally, while there is certainly a range between Democrats and Republicans, no one in the Obama Administration, nor any of the presidential candidates have challenged the winners and losers philosophy that has dominated education policy for the last several decades.
It is time to say, “Haven’t We Done Enough! Must We Have Winner and Losers Even in Education,” (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arthur-camins/havent-we-done-enough-mus_b_8292806.html) The Administration’s announcement on limiting testing is evidence of power of organized citizens, such as the Opt Out movement. It’s time to expand that influence to demand changes that will actually make a difference in the lives of our children. Our only hope for a different course of action in informed voters who demand different policies.
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As you mention, formative assessment is much more meaningful than high stakes standardized tests. As someone that taught for many years, I became a keen student of students. I often discovered more from observing how a student approached a problem to be very informative. I also used games that turned out to be diagnostic providing me with much more useful information than any bubble test. I found that it is best to teach writing by writing. In fact, I can say I knew so much about my students’ learning that I almost never got a surprise on any bubble test, which, from my perspective, was a waste of time.
By the way, I liked your suggestion that we partly fund public schools though a capital gains tax. It’s a great idea that the 1% will never allow.
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Arthur, I’m not from Missouri (although I think Dwayne is), but in this case I say “show me”.
My advice : Don’t hold your breath.
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“Its call for fewer and higher quality assessments is on target,”
Horse manure and bovine excrement combined!
Since Wilson has already proven the COMPLETE INVALIDITY of standardized testing and the educational standards upon which they are based, any results, by definition are also COMPLETELY INVALID and therefore, as he states, “vain and illusory”. To understand why read and comprehend Wilson’s never refuted nor rebutted 1997 treatise “Educational Standards and the Problem of Error” found at: http://epaa.asu.edu/ojs/article/view/577/700
Brief outline of Wilson’s “Educational Standards and the Problem of Error” and some comments of mine.
1. A description of a quality can only be partially quantified. Quantity is almost always a very small aspect of quality. It is illogical to judge/assess a whole category only by a part of the whole. The assessment is, by definition, lacking in the sense that “assessments are always of multidimensional qualities. To quantify them as unidimensional quantities (numbers or grades) is to perpetuate a fundamental logical error” (per Wilson). The teaching and learning process falls in the logical realm of aesthetics/qualities of human interactions. In attempting to quantify educational standards and standardized testing the descriptive information about said interactions is inadequate, insufficient and inferior to the point of invalidity and unacceptability.
2. A major epistemological mistake is that we attach, with great importance, the “score” of the student, not only onto the student but also, by extension, the teacher, school and district. Any description of a testing event is only a description of an interaction, that of the student and the testing device at a given time and place. The only correct logical thing that we can attempt to do is to describe that interaction (how accurately or not is a whole other story). That description cannot, by logical thought, be “assigned/attached” to the student as it cannot be a description of the student but the interaction. And this error is probably one of the most egregious “errors” that occur with standardized testing (and even the “grading” of students by a teacher).
3. Wilson identifies four “frames of reference” each with distinct assumptions (epistemological basis) about the assessment process from which the “assessor” views the interactions of the teaching and learning process: the Judge (think college professor who “knows” the students capabilities and grades them accordingly), the General Frame-think standardized testing that claims to have a “scientific” basis, the Specific Frame-think of learning by objective like computer based learning, getting a correct answer before moving on to the next screen, and the Responsive Frame-think of an apprenticeship in a trade or a medical residency program where the learner interacts with the “teacher” with constant feedback. Each category has its own sources of error and more error in the process is caused when the assessor confuses and conflates the categories.
4. Wilson elucidates the notion of “error”: “Error is predicated on a notion of perfection; to allocate error is to imply what is without error; to know error it is necessary to determine what is true. And what is true is determined by what we define as true, theoretically by the assumptions of our epistemology, practically by the events and non-events, the discourses and silences, the world of surfaces and their interactions and interpretations; in short, the practices that permeate the field. . . Error is the uncertainty dimension of the statement; error is the band within which chaos reigns, in which anything can happen. Error comprises all of those eventful circumstances which make the assessment statement less than perfectly precise, the measure less than perfectly accurate, the rank order less than perfectly stable, the standard and its measurement less than absolute, and the communication of its truth less than impeccable.”
In other words all the logical errors involved in the process render any conclusions invalid.
5. The test makers/psychometricians, through all sorts of mathematical machinations attempt to “prove” that these tests (based on standards) are valid-errorless or supposedly at least with minimal error [they aren’t]. Wilson turns the concept of validity on its head and focuses on just how invalid the machinations and the test and results are. He is an advocate for the test taker not the test maker. In doing so he identifies thirteen sources of “error”, any one of which renders the test making/giving/disseminating of results invalid. And a basic logical premise is that once something is shown to be invalid it is just that, invalid, and no amount of “fudging” by the psychometricians/test makers can alleviate that invalidity.
6. Having shown the invalidity, and therefore the unreliability, of the whole process Wilson concludes, rightly so, that any result/information gleaned from the process is “vain and illusory”. In other words start with an invalidity, end with an invalidity (except by sheer chance every once in a while, like a blind and anosmic squirrel who finds the occasional acorn, a result may be “true”) or to put in more mundane terms crap in-crap out.
7. And so what does this all mean? I’ll let Wilson have the second to last word: “So what does a test measure in our world? It measures what the person with the power to pay for the test says it measures. And the person who sets the test will name the test what the person who pays for the test wants the test to be named.”
In other words it attempts to measure “’something’ and we can specify some of the ‘errors’ in that ‘something’ but still don’t know [precisely] what the ‘something’ is.” The whole process harms many students as the social rewards for some are not available to others who “don’t make the grade (sic)” Should American public education have the function of sorting and separating students so that some may receive greater benefits than others, especially considering that the sorting and separating devices, educational standards and standardized testing, are so flawed not only in concept but in execution?
My answer is NO!!!!!
One final note with Wilson channeling Foucault and his concept of subjectivization:
“So the mark [grade/test score] becomes part of the story about yourself and with sufficient repetitions becomes true: true because those who know, those in authority, say it is true; true because the society in which you live legitimates this authority; true because your cultural habitus makes it difficult for you to perceive, conceive and integrate those aspects of your experience that contradict the story; true because in acting out your story, which now includes the mark and its meaning, the social truth that created it is confirmed; true because if your mark is high you are consistently rewarded, so that your voice becomes a voice of authority in the power-knowledge discourses that reproduce the structure that helped to produce you; true because if your mark is low your voice becomes muted and confirms your lower position in the social hierarchy; true finally because that success or failure confirms that mark that implicitly predicted the now self-evident consequences. And so the circle is complete.”
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It is misdirection to say that testing is being limited, as long as those are high stakes tests that teachers and schools live or die by.
Even if testing is limited to two percent of classroom time – still way too much if you do the arithmetic – this evades the amount of time spent/wasted on test prep.
High stakes tests are the weapon of choice that so-called reformers use in their attempted hostile takeover of the public schools, and this does nothing to ameliorate, let alone stop that. Like so much that emanates from Obama, this announcement is little but empty, deceptive words.
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Historically, in the modern US education system, has there ever been a reduction in the amount of testing that students are subjected to?
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FLERP!:
Good question.
Anyone have a handle on that?
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Formative assessments can be great, absolutely, when used properly. What you don’t want, is what New Hampshire has implemented in many districts through its PACE program: a complete shift from classical education to competency based education.There are fewer lengthy standardized tests, but more frequent standardized tests that while in theory designed at the local level really aren’t locally designed because they require the stamp of approval from the state DOE or its designee. Funny how these assessments can easily be copyrighted $$. What happens to students in this type of system? Meet the standard, meet the benchmark, move on, don’t meet it? Try it again, and again, and again. It is a highly regimented system, not the, “personalized” system it is touted to be by those in business and elsewhere who have something to gain from this. What it does amount to, is a a good way to label and track kids, fairly or not. How is it that some kids meet the standard and some don’t? Let me count the ways….
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My district in Utah is going to CBE, too. It means DAILY testing, and that ONLY tests count–not homework or anything else. It’s a disaster, and it hasn’t even been fully implemented yet. A truly bad idea.
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Marc Tucker has nothing to offer education. I have not met Marc Tucker but he has been wrong about public education since his “Dear Hillary” letter in 1992. He is well-connected and all too eager to be a mover and shaker of national policies on the “economy,” with the nation’s children and teachers subservient to his idea of cradle-to-grave workforce development.
Here is part of his 1992 vision, a letter written to Hillary Clinton shortly after Bill was elected. The letterhead of Tucker’s National Center on Education and the Economy is included on some copies available on the internet.
If you have read about and followed developments in education for the last several decades you will recognize the names on the letterhead of people who are now clearly hostile to public education, along with some who have funded or shaped the Common Core, or added their communications skills to that cause.
For the full letter go to: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-1998-09-25/html/CREC-1998-09-25-pt1-PgE1819-2.htm
This excerpt from the letter—really a whole policy tome just shy of ready-to-use legislation—tells Hillary what Tucker wants for schools.
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The Schools
0. Clear national standards of performance in general education (the knowledge and skills that everyone is expected to hold in common) are set to the level of the best achieving nations in the world for students of 16, and public schools are expected to bring all but the most severely handicapped up to that standard. Students get a certificate when they meet this standard, allowing them to go on to the next stage of their education. Though the standards are set to international benchmarks, they are distinctly American, reflecting our needs and values.
0. We have a national system of education in which curriculum, pedagogy, examinations, and teacher education and licensure systems are all linked to the national standards, but which provides for substantial variance among states, districts, and schools on these matters. This new system of linked standards, curriculum, and pedagogy will abandon the American tracking system, combining high academic standards with the ability to apply what one knows to real world problems and qualifying all students for a lifetime of learning in the postsecondary system and at work.
0. We have a system that rewards students who meet the national standards with further education and good jobs, providing them a strong incentive to work hard in school.
0. Our public school systems are reorganized to free up school professionals to make the key decisions about how to use all the available resources to bring students up to the standards. Most of the federal, state, district and union rules and regulations that now restrict school professionals’ ability to make these decisions are swept away, though strong measures are in place to make sure that vulnerable populations get the help they need.
0. School professionals are paid at a level comparable to that of other professionals, but they are expected to put in a full year, to spend whatever time it takes to do the job and to be fully accountable for the results of their work. The federal, state and local governments provide the time, staff development resources, technology and other support needed for them to do the job. Nothing less than a wholly restructured school system can possibly bring all of our students up to the standards only a few have been expected to meet up to now.
0. There is a real — aggressive — program of public choice in our schools, rather than the flaccid version that is widespread now.
All students are guaranteed that they will have a fair shot at reaching the standards: that is, that whether they make it or not depends on the effort they are willing to make, and nothing else. School delivery standards are in place to make sure this happens. These standards have the same status in the system as the new student performance standards, assuring that the quality of instruction is high everywhere, but they are fashioned so as not to constitute a new bureaucratic nightmare.
End of quote.
Well the bureaucratic nightmare is with us along with 1,620 standards in two subjects and a cockamamie view of the components of “world-class” education, plenty of tests for accountability and loads of money for AGGRESSIVE programs of “choice,” a ton of meaningless references to “high quality” instruction, and so on.
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Let’s hope Marc Tucker has progressed in his viewpoint. I know experience has taught me a few lessons in the last twenty years.
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Over 100 standards per grade per subject? The Common Core cannot possibly be a set of true standards. That’s a curriculum outline – and therefore unconstitutional. The Common Core National Curriculum is not only fraudulent but also illegal.
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Not what you say, but what they hear.
So true. And all they have heard are lies, exaggerations, mis-direction, strawmen, false dichotomies, myths, half-truths, bogus claims, and snake oil promises.
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“It’s not what you say, it’s what they hear.”
Frank Luntz is famous for his focus groups and language testing, and was behind phrases like the death tax (instead of the estate tax) and the GOP’s Contract with America. He is also behind the moniker
“It’s not what you say, it’s what they hear.”
Remember the “ Patriot Act”? Do you really think true patriots would have supported a law that violated our Constitutional Right to privacy?
While Luntz is not responsible for ‘ No Child left Behind” , “ The Common Core”, and “ Race To the Top”, each phrase can be described the same. The phrase has nothing to do with what we hear. It’s a purposeful misdirection, much like a magician’s sleight of hand. Say one thing, but mean another that will drive an agenda that cannot survive in the daylight of public opinion.
In 2012 President Obama charged the nation with the following in his State of the Union ,
“Teachers matter. So instead of bashing them, or defending the status quo, let’s offer schools a deal. Give them the resources to keep good teachers on the job, and reward the best ones. And in return, grant schools flexibility: to teach with creativity and passion; to stop teaching to the test; and to replace teachers who just aren’t helping kids learn. That’s a bargain worth making. “
Since then as we raced to the top, more teachers have lost their jobs, resources are being diverted towards test prep, good teachers are not able to really teach, schools and teachers are following test prep scripts, and high stakes testing is out of control.
Yesterday President Obama called for a 2% cap on testing! It sounds good and already the NEA and others are applauding this statement has a huge shift in policy. Well those of us in New York know it’s just another case of “It’s not what you say, it’s what they hear.”
We know Obama was given this talking point by new acting Secretary of Education John King. King was basically run out of New York when, as our Commissioner of Education , he doubled down on high stakes tests, then tried to blame local districts for over testing. He then declared his own 2% cap.
We now test for 9 hours in New York and if we actually went to 2% our test time would soar to approximately 25 hours! Is that what they are saying? Test for 25 hours?
We also have another devastating 2% cap in NY. A 2% tax cap that has resulted in an increased class size, many being programs cut, thousands of teachers to lose their jobs, school districts to be thrown into financial distress, and children to lose out on a full education. Perhaps John King forgot to mention to Obama that using a 2% threshold may not be a good talking point.
In New York, our new Commissioner of Education Elia has set up a new initiative called AIMHighNY. Remember, “It’s not what you say, it’s what they hear.”
After over 250,000 opt outs of state tests, Commissioner Elia, fresh off her listening tour (“It’s not what you say, it’s what they hear.” ) has created a website that contains a survey on the Common Core. She states,
“NYSED is conducting a survey in order to provide an opportunity for the public to comment on the standards.” That’s what we hear.. but this is what she goes on to say.. The survey’s intent is to Improve what already exists; don’t start over.
I spent 3 hours today attempting to go through the 5th grade standards on this survey. The survey is cumbersome, time consuming and designed to make us all fall in line. Elia tells us,
that this survey is not a referendum on the standards. Only comments tied to a specific standard will be considered.
I bet she will use it as her own referendum. Watch for her upcoming comments after the flawed results are in.
When Elia, Duncan. King, or Obama say.
…we want the best possible standards as we continue to move forward on the progress that has been made in academic achievement.
As we watch the political fiasco surrounding presidential candidates, ask yourself a simple question, does what I am hearing really jive with what they are saying?
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“Tucker’s Views on Testing”
(The Good, the Bad and the Ugly)
I’m only for the Good tests,
And really hate the Bad
And certainly, the Ugly tests
Were always just a fad
See A Response to Marc Tucker’s Response to Diane Ravitch and Anthony Cody on Fixing Our National Accountability System
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Ha ha on hopes that John King will do anything about high stakes testing. Well, I guess he could quit.
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As I sit in front of my computer listening to Yusef Lateef’s INTO SOMETHING and reading this posting and its thread, I am glad I did not give in to my first impulse—
To gently chide people for overthinking the subject matter. *Note: I know something about that—I’ve done it myself.*
No, I thank the owner of this blog for the posting, Marc Tucker for his thoughts, and the commenters for their observations. Much food for thought—and that includes points with which I disagree, in whole or part.
Perhaps I can express my POV this way without curtailing discussion: the Obama administration, quite firmly in the rheephorm camp, is deeply convinced that the only problem is that THEY GAVE US TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING. *A variant of rheephorm’s constant stream of excuses for their repeated failures: “don’t make the perfect the enemy of the good” which, when translated from Rheephormish [thank you, Bob Shepherd!] into standard English means “don’t make the practical and useful and successful the enemy of our lucrative failures and ego-swelling vanity projects.”
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They quite literally don’t understand that their policies and actions are fundamentally wrong and led, predictably, to the current problems.
In addition, they can’t excuse themselves by claiming that they didn’t know they are failing. Their current attempt at rebranding includes the admission that they’ve known for several years about ‘testing problems.’
And just what did they do when reality confronted rheeality? They just hoped that they could force us to summon up “rigor” and “grit” and endure their imposed fiascos, principally blaming ourselves for not properly following/implementing their superior ideas and plans.
Again, thanks to one and all for their contributions.
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John King save the day???!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!
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Sorry Marc – John King has drunk the Kool Aid and he ain’t going to change back to water.
The problem with the testing, even when it was NCLB, is that if the students do show improvement (which was actually happening in Buffalo, NY), the “powers that be” simply change the cut score so that these kids are once again below level.
It’s like reaching for the gold star and getting it yanked out of your hands every time you get close enough to grab it.
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