Peter Greene read a column by Joe Klein of TIME magazine about what’s wrong with education, and Greene had a hard time controlling his indignation.
Klein did not like the contract that Mayor de Blasio negotiated with the teachers’ union. What really bothers Klein, he says, is that teachers have something to say about their working conditions. His bottom-line beef, says Greene, is unions.
Greene writes:
“There are lots of things Joe Klein doesn’t get, and many of them are related to education. In the process of railing last week about a de Blasio “giveback” of 150 minutes of special student tutoring time in New York schools, Klein managed to trot out a whole raft of misconceptions and complaints. Here he gets himself all lathered up.
“I’m not going to take Klein to task for slamming assembly-line workers as if they are a bad thing. I know what he means– teachers should act like salaried workers instead of workers paid by the hour. Of course, if he tried to get his doctor or his lawyer to put in extra unbilled hours and be “paid in professional satisfaction,” I think he’d have another complaint to make. So I’m not sure exactly which profession he wants us to act like. Hell, even the oldest profession (I mean, of course, plumbing) charges by the hour…..
“It bothers Klein that the union negotiates things down to the half-minute, but he seems to forget that for every teacher union not saying, “We’ll work long extra hours just out of professional pride,” there’s a school board not saying, “You know what? We’ll just pay you what the work is worth and trust you to give us the hours needed.” Teachers could easily put in every single hour of the week doing the work, and many districts would let them do it, for free. “Wow, you’re working so hard and long we’re going to pay you more. really, we insist,” said no school district ever. Nor do they say, “We’ll trust you to do what’s right and never clock you in and out so we’re sure we get every hour you owe us.” A line has to be drawn somewhere; professionals also do not regularly give away their work for free. I agree that the half-minute is a little silly, but the line still has to be drawn.
“Klein also throws into the pot his assertion that real professionals don’t resist evaluation. This is partly almost true. Real professionals do not resist evaluation by qualified, knowledgeable fellow professionals who are using a fair and accurate measuring instrument. But if Klein’s editor announced “the guys in the mailroom have decided that you will be evaluated on how thick your hair grows in and how much garbage is in your wastebasket,” I don’t think Klein’s reply would be, “I’m a professional. That’s fine.”
“Teachers and our unions are not opposed to evaluation. We are opposed to bad evaluations conducted unfairly using invalid methods developed by amateurs who don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.
“Klein also asserts a bedrock principle for systems that are not working in schools– you don’t scrap them, but you fix them. I was going to hunt down a column in which Klein uses this same argument to vehemently oppose things like, say, letting Eva Moskowitz shove aside public schools to make room for charters. Because, if a public school is struggling, Joe Klein will apparently be there to argue fiercely that you don’t close public schools– you fix them. But my googler seems to be broken. Can somebody help me with that? Kthanks.
“But Klein saves the worst for last. You see, there’s a struggle going on in this country and it’s time to pick sides– either the unions or the students.
“That’s an interesting choice, particularly since these days many teachers are wishing that teacher unions would choose the side of teachers. But really– is that it? The biggest obstacle standing in the path of educating students is teachers’ unions? Teachers unions are out there saying, “We’ve got to smack down those damn students and get them out of our way”?
“I think not. I think in many districts, particularly big messy urban districts, the only adults around to stand up for the interests of the students are the teachers (whose working conditions are the very same as the students’ learning conditions), and the only hope the teachers have of being heard at all is to band together into a group, a union. Consequently, much of what good has happened for students is there not because of some school board largesse but because a teachers’ union (or a group of parents, or both) stood up and demanded it.
“It’s ironic I’m writing this, because I have plenty of beefs with the union. But to assert that making the unions shut up and go away would usher in an era of student greatness and success is just silly.
“Of course, I could be wrong. I would do a search for states that hamstrung or abolished teacher unions and which now lead the nation in school and student excellence. Perhaps there are such places. Unfortunately, my googler is busted.”

” “Wow, you’re working so hard and long we’re going to pay you more. really, we insist,” said no school district ever.”
The nail is hit on the head here. To piggy-back on this:
So many community leaders are crying poverty because, “somehow,” the public coffers have run dry. Therefore the expectation is that public workers will join in the “shared sacrifice” required to get these budgets back to where they should be.
That’s fine and dandy except:
1. Where is the shared sacrifice on the part of those private companies who provide goods and services to the public? I don’t see my cable/Internet bill going anywhere but up. The price of food is also on an upswing–can high gasoline prices be blamed? What? These companies expect to receive payment for doing their jobs, too? No kidding.
2. When times are bad, public workers are expected to make do with less than they are worth, but when times are good, nobody is handing out bonus checks to public workers while everybody else enjoys a robust economy. We are slow and steady.
Throughout my life, I’ve endured obnoxious comments by those who feel teachers are beneath them for how little they make. However, when the economy tanks, somehow we are “making too much” and getting “too many perks” in our compensation packages while everyone else is struggling. Rubbish.
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“Wow, you’re working so hard and long we’re going to pay you more. really, we insist,” said no school district ever.”
Here in Palm Beach County, our School District/School Board took away our Steps many years ago, insisting that they would continue to give us increments which would work out better than the Steps we were getting. They didn’t. They are creating a salary structure where eventually, all the teachers will be at or near a beginning teacher salary. When it comes to the School District’s money, there’s plenty of money for whatever they want to do: testing, evaluations, computers for testing, etc. But when it comes to paying the teachers a fair and worthwhile salary, all of a sudden, there’s no money to be found. Our school district’s budget is balanced on the backs of its teachers. In the end, this will hurt our public schools and our children. Who will want to go into the teaching profession when, from the moment you sign your contract, there is a target on you (VAM), constant vilification of your efforts, and no tenure (due process)? If you speak up about practices that are harming our students, you run the risk of losing your job. Our teaching profession has and continues to be devalued. Those who have actually committed their lives/careers to teaching kids are labeled as the “selfish ones.” Those who are not in the classroom and want to make as much money off of public education as possible are labeled as the “concerned” ones. The further you are away from the kids, the more money you make. Sadly, the purpose of public education has become to dismantle public education.
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I think the important unit of comparison from a parents point of view is the school and not the state, so when Peter Greene talks about the quality of education in states that have abolished teacher unions I think the more interesting question is if unions are required for successful schools.
I believe that KrazyTA often posts about schools that many see as being successful, but I don’t recall if they were union schools or not. Perhaps that could be included in future posts.
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Generally speaking all public schools within union states are unionized, the only exceptions generally being charters. Find me examples of non-unionized charters serving the same populations as unionized public schools that are outperforming the public schools (I’ll even let you pick the metric) and we’ll talk. But study after study shows that charters perform, at best, as well as public schools, often worse.
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Dienne,
When CrazyTA posts it is not about the SES makeup of the schools, but what the schools are like, the opportunities afforded the students at the schools. My interest is if those schools Crazy posts about are union schools, and the schools that are clearly inferior non-union schools?
It seems to me that it is difficult to talk about student populations in urban public schools without acknowledging that there are large differences between urban public schools. PS 28 and PS 321 in Brooklyn, NY for example, are 70% white and 10% on free and reduced price lunch. Do they have anything close to the typical student population of a school in Brooklyn?
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TE, in states where there are teachers’ unions and due process rights (i.e. tenure), academic performance is higher. Compare Massachusetts (unioninzed) and Mississippi (no unions), and get back to us.
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Eleanor,
I don’t think states are the right unit of account. Every state has strong or weak schools of all types. It makes more sense to think about individual schools like the ones KrazyTA posts about as examples of excellent schools.
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TE,
Some stares a higher percentage of weak schools than others. Would you find the county level to be a more useful unit of comparison?
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states have
My phone corrects me and it drives me nuts.
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I stand with Peter Greene. And while the adults at the table bash each other, the children perceive and experience the consequences. Please see my newly released book, an oral history of the present moment from the perspective of children: http://thenewpress.com/books/speaking-of-fourth-grade
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Peter, I like your writing a lot but I wouldn’t sweat this Klein thing.
If this passes for journalism, then it’s a dying profession. In a nutshell, the article: Blah, blah, talking point, blah, blah, charter schools are awesome, blah, unions are bad, blah, blah, tenure is BS, blah, blah,Campbell Brown is on the right side, blah, blah, blah.
I mean, it’s amateurish. We’ve heard this for years. Klein simply did us the favor of rolling everything into one poorly composed article. Like most people, us included, he lives in a wonderful echo chamber. He hears the complaints of the upper crust about schools even though they don’t dare send their kids anywhere but the most posh of private schools. Doesn’t talk to a single teacher. And oversimplifies everything he discusses. He’s living proof that Time is so irrelevant at this point that it can’t attract good journalists.
I mean, seriously, when’s the last time anyone said to you: “I read in Time recently” or “Time had this interesting article about…”? A decade? More? I’m sure the 3,427 people who read it shrugged at best. I’m more concerned about what appears in my local dailies because the parents actually read those from time to time.
Even if I agreed with Klein, I would have been disappointed that he only drummed up that level of “writing.”
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We can get the 1%’s distorted versions of info. for free, on-air, in the main stream media. IMO, TIME no longer brings anything to the table.
I asked the libraries that I frequent, to unsubscribe.
If library patrons want to read viewpoints that support the oligarchy, publicly supported libraries can find a magazine that identifies itself as such.
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“Teachers and our unions are not opposed to evaluation. We are opposed to bad evaluations conducted unfairly using invalid methods developed by amateurs who don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.”
“VAMmit All”
VAMit all, we’ve had enough
From inside Gates of Hell
Enough of “sciencey” sounding stuff
And Common Core as well
Enough of Chetty-picking
To make Vergara cases
Enough of stattistricking
The public, with no basis
Enough of VAMmity charts
That mimic random scatter
Essentially hurling darts
To tell us “what’s the matter”
Enough of rating teachers
For things they cannot sway
The outside world has features
Which make the teachers pay
Enough of teacher-shaming
And firing based on bunk
We really should be blaming
The ones who sell this junk
Enough of VAMmity-Vile horrors
Like teacher suicide
From teacher-bashing chorus
We simply shouldn’t abide
VAMmit all, the VAMs are DAMs
Devalue’s what they add
The DAM reforms are battling rams
And plain and simple bad
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SomeDAM Poet: TAGO!
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We need more material like this on Value-Addled Modeling.
¿? Yes, Value-Addled.
For the education establishment with its legions of self-styled “education reformers” there’s a business plan that masquerades as an education model. Those in favor of a “better education for all” promote various approaches to genuine teaching and learning in the never-ending search for better education models.
The former holds firm to $tudent $ucce$$ for themselves, measure to punish, and few winners [THEIR OWN CHILDREN]/many losers [OTHER PEOPLE’S CHILDREN]. They just don’t like to say it out loud.
The latter holds firm to a “better education for all.” They like to say it out loud.
The former likes charterite/privatizer math: there isn’t a number or stat they won’t massage and torture given the opportunity. 100% graduation rates! 13th to 90th percentile! International test scores are accurate and trustworthy and transparent!
The latter thinks that ethics and honesty count: tell it like it is, the good and the bad.
So keep on keepin’ on—
You’re a poet
And you know it
And your toes show it.
They’re long fellows.
😎
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Yes, only ed reformers are “on the side of students”. Everyone else is on some other “side”.
Any parent who believes this self-serving, self-aggrandizing, divisive tripe should have their head examined.
How is Amplify going, by the way? Is product moving? I don’t mind that this lawyer used his last government position to create a company that pushes the same products he promotes, but please, drop the sanctimonious lectures on “self interest”.
If teachers are self-interested, then Joel Klein is too. This isn’t complicated. If he’s analyzing levels of “self interest” to gauge credibility, then he has to include himself. You know what teachers at my son’s public aren’t doing? They aren’t pushing product. That puts them at an advantage to Joel Klein when I measure credibility.
This is nice:
“Brown’s group has hired Robert Gibbs, the former Obama press secretary, to run its communications strategy; other Obama stalwarts will soon join the effort as well.”
How much money are former Obama staffers going to make off the new tenure lawsuit craze? Are they “self interested”, or does this analysis only apply to public employees who DON’T cash in?
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I think the author of the article and the head of Amplify are two different guys (Joe and Joel.) That said Peter Greene is a brilliant critic and explicator and I wish the whole US could be exposed to his writing.
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Newark bought a ton of Amplify crap unbeknownst to former Commissioner Cerf, currently Amplify macher.
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Joe Klein is a different person than Joel Klein
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Did the former Obama staffers working to market the tenure lawsuits have any influence on Arne Duncan when he used his office to validate and promote a trial court decision, prior to appeal?
That might be an interesting “self interest” analysis, since we’re all about applying that test to lower-level public employees. Klein was a government lawyer. He knows how to do those.
I love how we exempt the entire huge ed reform sector from accusations of “self interest”. Are they just inherently better people? More ethical and just and self-sacrificing? What gives? if you start from a place where self interest is the entire basis of your argument, how arrogant do you have to be not to include yourself?
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Joel didn’t disclose that he’s Rupert’s proxy and on Rupert’s Wireless Generation/Amplify payroll. The cha-ching sound is fading fast! I’m still laughing out loud about inBloom’s demise. Parents are following the money and are not fooled by Joel, Arne, Rupert and their hedge fund best buddies.
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I keep asking myself why these people, so richly supported by our democratic social fabric, would turn their good fortunes to destroying the opportunities of others far less fortunate.
Perhaps it’s because corporate shilldom is quickly becoming far more lucrative in America today than all the other forms of prostitution put together.
Well, with the possible of exception of Congress and the Statehouses of Ill Repute, you know …
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“but it negotiates as if it were a union of assembly-line workers.”
Because everyone knows “assembly line workers” are the lowest of the low, right?
VERY unfashionable, those icky “assembly line workers”, in the modern Democratic Party.
Why do all the former Clintonites talk like it’s 1992 and they’re denigrating working people in Flint, Michigan? Klein needs to get with the times. Democrats are pretending they value and respect private sector unionists but only during for the months of August, September and October in election years and in (selected) congressional districts and states.
Are “Democrats” opposed to private sector unions now too, in addition to public school sector unions and public schools? I can’t keep up. When did private sector unions go under the ‘ol campaign bus?
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Today’s NYT has an article on Internet.org called “Facebook’s Gateway Drug” which includes this statement: “…its subtext is indicative of a bigger problem with Silicon Valley ‘solutionism’ — the belief that the tech industry could and should solve all of life’s problems”.Billy Gates and Zuckerberg come right to mind.
See:
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“Of course, if he tried to get his doctor or his lawyer to put in extra unbilled hours and be “paid in professional satisfaction,” I think he’d have another complaint to make.”
This. I don’t know if all lawyers work the same way, but the couple I’ve seen bill for every little thing. Sent a letter on your behalf? You’re getting billed for the time to write the letter, fold the letter, insert the letter into the envelop, put a stamp on the envelop, and put it in the outgoing mail. And you’re paying for the stamp and the envelop.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, you have this: “Teachers could easily put in every single hour of the week doing the work, and many districts would let them do it, for free.” We know this because it already happens. No, not every single hour of the week, obviously, but so many of the inane tasks that teachers are saddled with are burdening us because we agreed to be saddled with them. Very few teachers will say “no.” Most of us don’t even say, “there’s really no time for that” or “in order to do that, something else will have to go.” Instead, it’s “you want me to do this mammoth task while still doing everything else for free? Ok, sure, no problem. I got it covered!”
I had a university professor back in the day who told us: “You are professionals. Your time is valuable. Never volunteer to do anything for free. If you do, it will be forever expected of you and will invite more of the same.” Hot drop in a bucket full of cold water.
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re: laywers—as well they should.
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Indeed. It was not to say that lawyers sell their time to expensively but that teachers sell their time to cheaply, when they sell it at all.
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I felt the same way the last piece I read by Klein a few weeks ago on education.
I think if you haven’t spent or don’t spend time in a school for children and youth, you don’t get it.
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Oh, and, congratulations to Peter Greene for getting the position blogging for EdWeek that was formerly held by Anthony Cody, who left to work on Living in Dialogue.
http://curmudgucation.blogspot.com/2014/08/writing-news-re-me.html
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