Jennifer Berkshire recounts the sad history of the Democratic party’s abandonment of teachers, public schools, and teachers’ unions.
This article is worthy of your attention. In my view, Democrats won’t start winning seats again until they embrace public schools again and break free of their love affair with charters and other free-market solutions that evicerate their message and turn them into Republican-lite.
How many Democratic governors today are unabashed supporters of public schools? How many Democratic Senators and members of Congress? How many are funded by Democrats for Education Reform (hedge fund managers who love charter schools and high-stakes testing), whose purpose is to buy Democratic support for Republican policies?
The strange part about the story that Berkshire tells is that the teachers’ unions were a core part of the Democrats’ base. As party leaders turned against their own base, they hurt their party. They turned off teachers and lost seats across the nation. They lost governorships and they lost legislatures. They lost the House and they lost the Senate.
Berkshire says that it started with the Clintons in Arkansas.
“To begin to chronicle the origin of the Democrats’ war on their own—the public school teachers and their unions that provide the troops and the dough in each new campaign cycle to elect the Democrats—is to enter murky territory. The Clintons were early adopters; tough talk against Arkansas’s teachers, then among the poorest paid in the country, was a centerpiece of Bill’s second stint as Governor of Arkansas. As Hillary biographer Carl Bernstein recounts, the Arkansas State Teachers Association became the villain that cemented the couple’s hold on the Governor’s mansion—the center of their Dick Morris-inspired “permanent campaign.” The civil rights language in which the Democratic anti-union brigade cloaks itself today was then nowhere to be heard, however. And little wonder: Civil rights groups fiercely opposed the most controversial feature of the Clintons’ reform agenda—competency tests for teachers—on the grounds that Black teachers, many of whom had attended financially starved Black colleges, would disproportionately bear their brunt.
“Tough talk against Arkansas’ teachers, then among the poorest paid in the country, was a centerpiece of Bill’s second stint as Governor of Arkansas.
“Hillary made the cause her personal crusade in 1983, trotting out anecdote after anecdote about teachers she’d heard about who couldn’t add or read. The reform package passed, cementing Bill’s reputation as a new breed of Democratic governor, one who wasn’t afraid to take on entrenched interests in order to tackle tough problems. “Anytime you’re going to turn an institution upside down, there’s going to be a good guy and a bad guy,” recalls Clinton campaign manager Richard Herget. “The Clintons painted themselves as the good guys. The bad guys were the schoolteachers.”
“By the early 1980s, there was already a word for turning public institutions upside down: neoliberalism. Before it degenerated into a flabby insult, neoliberal referred to a self-identified brand of Democrat, ready to break with the tired of dogmas of the past. “The solutions of the thirties will not solve the problems of the eighties,” wrote Randall Rothenberg in his breathless 1984 paean to this new breed, whom he called simply The Neoliberals. His list of luminaries included the likes of Paul Tsongas, Bill Bradley, Gary Hart and Al Gore (for the record, Gore eschewed the neoliberal label in favor of something he liked to call “neopopulism”). In Rothenberg’s telling, the ascendancy of the neoliberals represented an economic repositioning of the Democratic Party that had begun during the economic crises of the 1970s. The era of big, affirmative government demanding action—desegregate those schools, clean up those polluted rivers, enforce those civil rights and labor laws—was over. It was time for fresh neo-ideas.
”Redistribution and government intervention were out; investment and public-private partnerships were the way to go. Neoliberal man (there are no women included in Rothenberg’s account) was also convinced that he had found the answer to the nation’s economic malaise: education, or as he was apt to put it, investment in human capital. “Education equals growth is a neoliberal equation,” writes Rothenberg.
“But this new cult of education wasn’t grounded in John Dewey’s vision of education-as-democracy, or in the recent civil-rights battles to extend the promise of public education to excluded African-American communities. No, these bold, results-oriented thinkers understood that in order to fuel economic growth, schools had to be retooled and aligned in concert with the needs of employers. The workers of the future would be prepared to compete nimbly in the knowledge-based post-industrial society of the present, For the stragglers still trapped in older, industrial-age models of enterprise and labor, re-training—another staple of the neoliberal vision—would set them on the path to greater prosperity…
”The irony is that the DeVos-Trump vision for fixing our schools is almost as unpopular as the GOP’s plan for health care; if there’s political ground to be gained with Trump supporters, the defense of public education is fertile territory. DeVos’ nomination sparked ferocious grassroots opposition, red and blue, and in a cabinet of rogues, she remains Trump’s most reviled official. Her signature issue—paying for private religious schools with taxpayer funds—has never been popular with voters, even in deep red states.
“The problem is that the Democrats have little to offer that’s markedly different from what DeVos is selling. Teachers unions, regulation, and government schools are the problem, Democrats continue insisting into the void; deregulation, market competition and school choice are the fix. Four decades after the neo-Democrats set their sights on the education bureaucracy, the journey has reached its predictable destination: with a paler version of what the right has been offering all along.
“When the Democrats next attempt to rouse the base of unionized teachers they count on to be their foot soldiers, they are sure to meet with disappointment. In once reliably blue states like Michigan and Wisconsin, the unions have been eviscerated. The right went all in to crush unions—not because they “impede social mobility,” but because they elect Democrats. That wager is now paying off handsomely.”
Unless there is breaking news, no more posts today.
Supporting public education is but one thing the Democrats need to do if they expect to win very many seats. One of many things. Overall, it boils down to, they’re going to have to decide who they represent – their wealthy donors or the people?
BINGO
Another step would to cease support of the non-stop American war machine.
Yes, very much so. Support for the war machine is all part of supporting the interests of the wealthy and the corporations over the interests of the people.
Speaking of the US war machine, Robert Fisk has an article in today’s Independent debunking the latest false flag/propaganda event about Syrian “chemical warfare,” in which he pretty convincingly shows that the latest “Assad Chemical Attack On His Own People” is bogus, and yet another effort to prevent the removal of US troops from Syria (a good and smart thing Trump wanted to do, btw) and to continue spreading the Empire of Chaos throughout the region, for the benefit of the Saudies and the Israelis.
Despite the flaming I’ll no doubt receive from those suffering from terminal Trump Derangement Syndrome, I’ll say it openly: Trump’s initial instincts to get out of Syria were correct (he’s been about as consistent about that as he’s capable of), and this false flag event was a transparent attempt to force him to reverse course. Under the circumstances, he probably did the best/smartest thing he could, which was initiate a meaningless, impotent, just-for-show missile strike, to satisfy the war lust of our neo-conservative and neo-liberal media Overlords, and get therm to shut up for a few minutes.
If we have to live in reality TV, then at least the wars should also be staged like reality TV. Better for all concerned…
Ha!, Don’t you just hate it when Trump is right?
Thank you for the voice of sanity, Michael. It’s really sad how the “Resistance” has pushed a maniacal president into war with Syria just to prove he’s not a Russian tool.
That is quite an article Michael! Thanks!
“Robert Fisk has an article in today’s Independent debunking the latest false flag/propaganda event about Syrian “chemical warfare,” in which he pretty convincingly shows that the latest “Assad Chemical Attack On His Own People” is bogus”
Wow, what a complete mischaracterization of Robert Fisk’s article.
I suspect even Fisk would find this characterization to be an outright lie since he never said that the attack is bogus.
All he said is that while there was a terrible attack that was horrifying, there is credible evidence that it didn’t include chemicals, just like there is credible evidence that there was.
According to Michael’s interpretation of this, the World Health Organization is in cahoots with the evil Israels and the evil French government because we just keep doubting the great and perfect Putin and the poor besieged Bashar al-Assad.
At most, Robert Fisk said the jury is still out as to whether chemical weapons were used but not still out as to whether an attack on civilians was made.
It’s shocking to see the same people who feel free to insist that every action Trump, May, and Macron make is because the evil Israelis control them who then insist that we need hard evidence to condemn the guy whose bombing of his own civilian people is so destructive because maybe he didn’t use chemicals when he tried to wipe them off the face of the earth.
Diane R. response to my comment concerning my having written extensively about the goals of schools so I will provide links to the articles written (I did not say published because most are to my blog site, the reasons for my not publishing a long story that has to do with how things get published and who makes such decisions and why). I have written several articles that were published that mainly deal with methodology, that methodology consistently discussed in the context of legitimate instructional goals. My book, co-authored with Stephen Tchudi, The Interdisciplinary Teachers Handbook is about goals and methods by they can be achieved. ASCD published the article titled “How Dry is the Desert:Nurturing Interdisciplinary Learning, also with Tchudi is available at http://www.ascd.org/publications/educational-leadership/sept93/vol51/num01/How-Dry-Is-the-Desert¢-Nurturing-Interdisciplinary-Learning.aspx. Several more of the articles can be located with a Google search. “Educating for Democratic Societies: Impediments” was published in The Journal of Educational Research, available a thttp://www.academia.edu/22481379/Educating_for_Democratic_Societies_Impediments. I will post some of the other articles soon, the ones only available lafered.com.
I cannot claim that my publication record is anything like Diane’s and there are reasons both bad and good for this. I did teach for 28 years in a teacher education program and, if you check Rate My Professor, the reviews are mixed, a good number rather negative. I will say in my defense that part of the reason for my “failure” to reach and please many of my students is that I insisted that the develop the qualities of which I have spoken about in earlier posts to this site. I asked a lot because they were to become teachers and some could not do or would not do what they were asked to do, TO EXPLAIN THE REASONING BEHIND THE CHOICES THEY WERE MAKING AS THEY DEVELOPED PLANS FOR TEACHING. No more in my defense. Take what I have said to mean that I have indeed written as I say I have or call me a phony because the publishing record is not exemplary and some of my students actually very strongly disliked me. The same is true of many of my colleagues, deans included, who, as I see it, did not care about my rationale for suggested and teaching as I taught. My question for myself and for others is how does one deal with institutions that are about putting teachers in the classroom and not necessarily demanding of those who would become teachers that they demonstrate their ability and willingness to become truly highly qualified teachers, individuals who push themselves daily to grow ever more informed and ever more intelligent.
Here’s a link to the actual article so people can decide for themselves: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html
One of the most interesting quotes:
“For the same 58-year old senior Syrian doctor then adds something profoundly uncomfortable: the patients, he says, were overcome not by gas but by oxygen starvation in the rubbish-filled tunnels and basements in which they lived, on a night of wind and heavy shelling that stirred up a dust storm.”
There’s a lot more. Seems to me if you read it, it makes it pretty clear there was no gas attack, which seems to be the dictionary definition of “bogus”.
^^^by the way, please site this media you claim was “calling for airstrikes”.
They were calling for some kind of response to Putin’s puppet Assad bombing his own people.
Putin wanted this fake response because the PEACEFUL response — to punish Russian companies — was not allowed.
And I find it the height of hypocrisy that not one of the people saying that it’s wrong to attack Syria to respond (which is perfectly legitimate) are calling for ANY response at all.
Do you support those sanctions that Putin got Trump to refuse to enact, Michael? Or does a peaceful response bother you, too?
What is the proper response to a country that kills its own people when the murderer is propped up by Russia? Ignore it?
Certainly there were people who insisted that Hitler should have been free to kill as many Jews as he wanted and the US should not have entered WWII. And their rationale was very similar to the rationale I hear from the same people who insist Russia never intervened in our election and what’s the big deal.
I absolutely agree people should read for themselves and see if Michael’s characterization of this article as entirely debunking everything is true.
“As Dr Assim Rahaibani announces this extraordinary conclusion, it is worth observing that he is by his own admission not an eyewitness himself…”
“The WHO has said its partners on the ground treated 500 patients “exhibiting signs and symptoms consistent with exposure to toxic chemicals”….”
dienne77,
I’m really curious as to whether you are perfectly fine with the actions as long as no chemicals were used?
And if you aren’t fine with it, do we just ignore it, or not?
And do you give the Israeli government the same benefit of the doubt you give Assad when lots of civilians are killed in airstrikes? Or do you hold the evil Zionist Jews to a different standard?
Ask and ye shall receive: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/how-russiagate-produced-the-missile-attack-on-syria/ The second paragraph contains some good links to major media demands for Syrian strikes.
NYCPSP – Are you perfectly fine with starting WWIII by provoking the second largest nuclear-armed power?
BTW, what do you think we should do about the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar? Why do you think we’re not doing anything?
dienne77,
truthdig.com??
I love the article that follows:
“Pro-War Press, Not Cambridge Analytica, Is the Real Scandal”
Talk about desperately trying to make the Cambridge Analytica scandal go away! It’s the war!!!! Stop looking into Cambridge Analytica!! It’s the war!!!! Stop looking at what the Russians and right wing Trump- supporting Mercers along with right wing Trump supporting Peter Theil did. It’s the war!!!!”
You don’t even see the corruption, do you? It isn’t that looking at the march to war isn’t important. I AGREE that it is important!
It’s that right wing Trump supporters are so desperate to distract from the harm and evil he is doing that they want to pretend the evil is really the media and this march to war.
You should actually take the time to read the articles you post and the links they cite as “evidence” of this media cry for bombing. Do you know what that “evidence” is?
“The president should know by now that tough talk without a coherent strategy or follow-through is dangerous”
FYI — a coherent strategy can ALSO be sanctions on Russia. No one said to bomb. They said to respond.
I challenged you to say if you approved of sanctions as I do? There is absolutely no evidence that calling for a strategy means a bombing.
And for you to claim that the NY Times – by saying that Trump should have a coherent strategy was demanding a bombing is one of the most offensive and ignorant posts you have ever made.
I looked at all the links to the supposed evil media you claim called for Trump to bomb Syria.
He made that decision all by himself. Trump. I know you love to blame someone else for all Trump’s nasty and corrupt actions, but it is all on him. Not the media. Trump.
Propaganda. This hateful propaganda should not be allowed on this blog. Accusing people who ask for a “strategy” of demanding the bombing is truly sickening.
Next read instead of just reading what some propaganda maven SAYS the media is doing, I suggest you read the articles themselves to see if that characterization of them is actually true.
But since I know you will not, I don’t know why I waste my breath because you can’t be bothered to actually read the links to these horrible media insisting Trump bomb Syria and instead just read what some propagandist tells you they say.
Michael Fiorillo / dienne77
Now did the two of you really have to make me agree with NYCPSP .
So lets review a few things about the article you sight as so convincing .
I will cede the fact that the Syrian rebels that we are supporting through the Saudis and Israelis are Islamic Jihadists aligned with Al Qaeda . That has been the quagmire of this civil war since the student led Arab spring was crushed . If I remember they were not Jihadists .
However there are a few problems with the article that you sight as proof . What I read at every point took one side of the dispute .
“Dr Assim Rahaibani announces this extraordinary conclusion, it is worth observing that he is by his own admission not an eyewitness himself and, as he speaks good English, he refers twice to the jihadi gunmen of Jaish el-Islam [the Army of Islam] in Douma as “terrorists” – the regime’s word for their enemies, and a term used by many people across Syria. Am I hearing this right? Which version of events are we to believe?”
“The W.H.O. has said its partners on the ground treated 500 patients “exhibiting signs and symptoms consistent with exposure to toxic chemicals”. As NYCPSP states all Western tools . (Sarcasm} noted.
Lets look at some other facts of the region . The Assad Government is
an ethnic minority Government (20%) in a region where ethnic Governments rule with an Iron fist. When those Governments fall or are challenged the blood letting continues till as happened in Iraq ; there is no one left to kill ,”mission accomplished ” segregated communities .
It strains credulity to think that Fisk could find no one in the Sunni minority community that expressed support for the Rebels . Perhaps they all left with the Rebels?.
“They talked about the Islamist’s under whom they had lived. They talked about how the armed groups had stolen civilian homes to avoid the Syrian government and Russian bombing.”
“By bad luck, too, the doctors who were on duty that night on 7 April were all in Damascus” Why .
Because
“At the same time, inspectors from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) are currently blocked from coming here to the site of the alleged gas attack themselves, ostensibly because they lacked the correct UN permits.”
That’s it the permits!!!! . Would you like to buy the Golden Gate or the Brooklyn bridge . I am selling both .
So let me give you my theory . US forces are embedded with Kurds an ethnic and linguistic group that has been repressed and abused for centuries , throughout the region. The North East region they were fighting ISIS in just so happens to be the oil producing region. Which is why it was occupied by ISIS in the first place .
Now Trumps first instinct would be to keep the oil . Or so he had claimed . And the Russians who were so anxious to start WW3 decided to attack American troops with 400 of their own troops .Loosing 2- 300 of them in the process . So why would these Russians start WW3 ( Dienne) There are no Russian contractors . Like there are no American contractors they surrogate troops . (Just like Prince and Black Water.) What was the goal ?. Could it be that they knew they would not be starting WW3 . Could the goal be to cause American casualties, in what for Americans has been a bloodless war. .
Our fearless President did not say a peep . Yet for the hell of it a month later he announces he wants to pull out American troops .
Of course this is exactly what the Russians sought to accomplish by starting WW3 (LOL) . Now I don’t care that Russia and Assad are getting the oil . However between Turkey and Assad the Kurds are toast .So the only American ally worth supporting will be abandoned .
The pictures of their slaughter will be of no concern to Trump or Americans.
One has to question why Assad would use a banned weapon of desperation when he had victory at hand ? . Whose interests did that serve? . Why would you do it after the American President just announced he is pulling out shortly ? Why would you do it when you had done the same thing a year to the date that Niki Haley announced that we are not concerned with Assad ? Why would you do it when the response could be the end of your regime ? So is it possible that it is a false flag operation on both occasions ? Yes .
It is also possible that on both occasions the guy with not an ounce of humanity in his malignant narcissist soul , a man who was not touched when over a 1000 were killed back in 13 in a gas attack , a man who had a tenant killed in his flagship building and 4 fire fighters injured but could only talk about the wonderful building ; that man needed another wag the dog incident .
The noose was tightening around Scumps neck and he had to prove how tough he was on Putin again. If Trumputin goes the Neo Cons take over and sanctions increase. Now if you think Scump has a foreign policy agenda of some higher order . I am also selling the London Bridge.
And you damn well knew that just like the last time, he was never ever going to do anything more than a few pot holes on a runway. And you were going to get an advanced warning. World War Three . I’ll sell you all three bridges for bargain price and throw in the Chesapeake bay Bridge .
Because you see, if Assad hadn’t used those weapons , it would not be reporters on the bus . But weapons inspectors and they would have been brought in with papers if Assad had to print them himself.
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Joel,
Thanks for chiming in.
I wish those who cited these articles would actually read the links to the original “pro-war mainstream media” articles instead of accepting as the gospel truth whatever characterization is made of those articles.
But given that they fell for all of this during the 2016 campaign, I know it is a waste of time.
They have already started with Cynthia Nixon and “something they read” that convinced them she is actually tool of the right wing anti-union billionaires. Next it will be “something they read” about Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. Or any politician who might be a real danger to the right wing agenda by holding an office that involves more than talk and no power.
The “Democrats” already decided which side they’re on decades ago when the Clintons became close friends and allies to the billionaire class of Waltons from Arkansas and Eli Broad of California, something Hillary could not let go of or live down in her dismal 2016 Pres. run(taking $600K from Goldman Sachs for 3 speeches). But the Clintons are only part of the Dem deep embrace of neoliberalism. Jennifer Berkshire did not mention that AFT Pres. Randi Weingarten is a Dem Party official and that NEA Pres. Garcia follows the Dem policies of no labor conflict against corporate privatizers. Talking about how the Dems “betrayed” their teacher union base ignores that the teacher union leaders have always been in the pocket of the Democratic Party. The conclusion is obvious–rank-and-file teachers cannot rescue their profession or public education until they throw out their current union leaders–something presaged in recent wildcat strikes in various states.
And damn it, there are so many who think that Hillary was the best candidate since Bill and who still fight to polish her “brand.”
Today she sent that concerning the status of Barbara Bush that contained the phrase–referring to the Bushes–“extraordinary family.”
I responded by saying this:
Maybe I am being irrational but I am really bothered by the praise contained in the Hillary best wishes Tweet. “The extraordinary family she raised”? A love note to this particular family considering what this particular family wrought upon the nation and the world? How does one who showed herself publicly to be so very much against what the Bush family stood for say such things as she says here. Is there a bond here that allows her to excuse the indecency of members of this extraordinary family? Compassion is righteous but one can be compassionate without offering praise and here the praise, to me, is obnoxious and worse, indicative of relationships that make those involved in them, in their public/political stances, disingenuous, deceitful, and dangerous.
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Thinking about Barbara Bush’s legacy of service to our country and the extraordinary family she raised. Thanking her for her many kindnesses to me and my family. Wishing her the comfort she deserves surrounded by her loved ones.”
The fact that the families love one another is a troubling thing and that the democratic party’s nominee was Hillary, despite what she is really about. The educational system, if it were there to serve democracy and prepare individuals for thoughtful and effective participation in the democratic process. Not “nice” to say but American schools have not been thoughtful and effect in the right ways. If they were the “news” channels would not be interpreting the new for us and Rush and his ilk would never have made a dime at spouting their stupidity.
Lafred,
Let me explain the condolence note. There is an old custom called decency or civility. Perhaps you never heard of it?
Oh but dontcha know, the Bushes have said mean things about Trump, so everything is all forgiven now. The Bushes are now part of the #Resistance too.
A needed excuse for reinstating the all to cozy relationship the families share. I have to add that there were articles circulating reporting Michelle Obamas friendship with George W. and, not hard to find if you wish, pictures of the Clintons enjoying themselves at the wedding of D. Trump. I was told not to make anything of it but I could not help myself from doing so. It is not a good thing to be nice to rotten people.
Well, the family that Barbara Bush raised (Dubya and Jeb) is extraordinary — extraordinarily bad.
You’re right, Diane. I wish lafered had explained him/herself better. S/he could have said, for instance, “Compassion is righteous but one can be compassionate without offering praise”.
I can’t believe certain progressives have really jumped the shark here.
Let’s see how kind words to people who are dying or have died are signs that the people who make those statements secretly support the agenda of the person to whom they have just lavished praise:
““Paul Wellstone was a man of deep convictions, a plain- spoken fellow, who did his best for his state and for his country,” Bush said.
“Gov. Jesse Ventura said Minnesota “has suffered a deep and penetrating loss. … I had tremendous respect for Paul, and I will forever be indebted to him for his service and his ultimate sacrifice for this great democracy.”
Wow, so nice to know that deep down Bush and Ventura (who almost single handedly turned Wellstone’s funeral into an attack on Dems and helped Coleman win) really, really embraced the ideals of Paul Wellstone.
Or maybe they were offering kind words and fortunately for the right wing agenda they both helped push, their voters didn’t believe the attempt by some trolls to tell them this is a sign these politicians were secretly liberals.
And so we are where we are today, no one held responsible for their actions. Perhaps we need to examine what constitutes really compassion and human kindness and think about whether PRAISE–“extraordinary family,” “a real friend to my family” for those not praiseworthy (I do think Wellstone deserved the tributes he received) so that their legacy is a lie and the ill they inflicted excused. Again, I feel sad for the family and cannot deny the fact that BB is an incredibly strong person but what she used that strength to support and nurture I cannot excuse.
I assume you would send a condolence note haranguing the family for its crimes against humanity.
Not at all. I would simply send condolences and leave it at that. If one wanted to go further, he or she could say how sorry he or she was that the family was experiencing such sadness. The Hillary statement goes way beyond that, to tell the world of her high esteem for the family. That is the problem I have and I hope others will see it as a legitimate one. Would we want someone to offer similar praise in condolence for a death in the Trump family. Extraordinary, indeed. And the Trumps have yet to kill near so many.
Maybe their were trying to humanize themselves despite the inhumane policies they supported?
“rank-and-file teachers cannot rescue their profession or public education until they throw out their current union leaders–something presaged in recent wildcat strikes in various states.” — Ira Shor
That’s just what AFT President Weingarten said recently at the W Virginia teacher strike ( sans the part about throwing out current union leaders, of course)
“We can’t keep outsourcing this power to others. There is a recognition that if we want things changed, we have to do it ourselves.”
Ironic, no?
It goes back to what I said earlier, that no one should protect a bad teacher and no one should give cover or comfort to bad teachers. That the bad are protected by the unions? Of course and they are often the most loyal members. Unions are a critically important institution in this nation made undemocratic and inhumane by a kind of capitalism that takes from those who need and deserve to have and give beyond generously to those who already have to much–wealth and power, the latter purchased with the former. Schools must be institutions that promote the kind of thinking that allows a human being to made sense of the world on his or her own and do so in a way that decisions are based upon TRUTH and never lies and propaganda. But our form of capitalism is about lies and propaganda and, because those who benefit from the system are those with the power to control the educational system, learning to blindly accept authority and be docile and accepting of the absurd as truth is what our children get.
Yes, and now G.W. Bush has taken up GI portrait painting and texting his daughters as two very cool and humanist past times that humanize a person who is an outright war criminal and should be charged with crimes against humanity. His brother Jeb destroyed the public schools system in Florida with the help of the ignorant citizenry. He was like, “I’m a radical conservative and a plutocrat and very religious, and I’ll hang all of you!” and they stood there saying, “We’re conservative also and revere the Lord, so we’ll hand you the noose.”
NYCPSP, please don’t go on a tirade about not attacking Democrats for helping to destroy public education. You’d be barking up the wrong tree. But the healing process involves reinventing the party or, if not, forging enough new ones.
And, folks, let’s not forget Mommy pearl-clutching Bush’s wonderful statement about all those poor people huddled in the stadium in New Orleans, which had to serve as a shelter during Katrina:
“Almost everyone I’ve talked to says, ‘We’re going to move to Houston.’ What I’m hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality.
And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this, this is working very well for them.”
Yes, mother Bush! You should live out the rest of your days on your Capitol Hill Lamborghini insurance healthcare in the arena and just soak in the palliative care there. . . . . Let them either eat cake or let them live in mansions.
The Bush family is vile and those who either support them or are sycophants to them are just as bad.
So sad. But there is hope.
With this, of course, I agree.
You can express sympathy for a dying woman without going into a rant about war crimes.
You can also express sympathy for a dying woman without praising a family that has wreaked such egregious harm on the world. “The Bush family is in my thoughts and prayers” is sufficient. There is no need to gush about that “extraordinary” family.
I don’t disagree with you, Diane.
In etiquette, I agree. In enacting change and acknowledging the wrongs of this world, I respectfully disagree.
Would I say that she was an aristocrat who really did not care much about labor? I would not be wrong about that, but I suppose she deserves her dignity. Why not . . . .
Dienne,
I don’t agree with you. They are an extraordinary family. That have managed to wreak havoc with the globe, wars, the environment, big oil, public education, and the labor class. They were extraordinarily adept at that and continue to be. No love lost.
And there was no need for Bush to gush about Paul Wellstone.
Barbara Bush said some nasty things in her life. So did we all. She also did some decent things. So did most of us.
Offering kind words toward someone who while often nasty, did some good things, is no different than Bernie Sanders saying nice things about Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez.
It’s no different than Glenn Greenwald defending Putin and attacking those who do not say nice things about him.
I know how they decided last go round. I was at the Nevada State Democratic Convention and felt the brunt of the party’s zealous push to get Hillary nominated. In a few words, it was not a very democratic process by which Nevada went for Clinton as nominee.
Shhh, the only rigged election we’re allowed to talk about is the general….
Isn’t that the same process that Nevada has always had? Was it only “rigged” in 2016 because your candidate lost?
Please describe exactly how the rules in Nevada were changed in 2016 to insure a Clinton victory.
Nevada was “rigged” and all other Bernie losses in primaries was because those terrible African-American and women voters conspired against poor Bernie.
They are always trying to keep the white guy down, according to the white Bernie voters who aren’t bothered at all that Trump’s policies are pro-white — he’s no worse than the evil Hillary who stole the election by rigging Nevada which made every person in every other state vote against Bernie.
Procedurally, it was rigged. From the beginning those who wished to support another candidate were excoriated from the stage for supporting the candidate who, we were told, would surely hand Trump victory. The raucous “opposition” asked that rules of order be enforced as they read, not as they were used, to insure expediency. No debate was allowed and, when the “opposition” protested, the PARTY reported to the press that it was a thugish bunch who supported the candidate the national party had already decide would not be allowed to be a viable one. Sorry but like Wikki or not, the documents made public show exactly this to be true, the “race” for the nomination a farce. Consider this! The rooms was pretty much equally divided but the party leaders decided that all voting would be by voice. Somehow, the leaders were able to discern which group was louder even though the difference might have been fractional. Amazing feat. So do not give me this BS about it all being fair and square and, given the issue of which candidate could win the general, it just might be that someone picked the wrong pony for us to ride. Oh yes, I really appreciated Barbara Boxer telling us we were behaving badly. I should have been humbled and shamed but, bad me, I felt angrier than I ever have felt because this party was one of two and I was forced to pick between candidates, both of whom I knew for good reason not to be good for the country. I did hold my nose and voted for the lesser of, but I sure resent having once more been forced to do so.
Rule #1 of this blog: don’t insult the host. Those who do are uninvited
Wow.
lafered,
Nevada has always had caucuses. There have always been Democrat candidates who are angry because they think that something was unfair in the way that caucus was run. The caucus in Nevada did NOT decide the primary. But it sure made a handy scapegoat when a white male couldn’t manage to win a single southern state because his campaign of almost all white people only related to the white working class people in the midwest and felt the south and their many African-American voters were so ignorant they would vote for whoever their preacher told them to so why bother to campaign there.
So much easier to blame Nevada. Give me a break. What a bunch of whiners looking for a scapegoat to excuse their own ineptitude and abandonment of African-American voters. I notice those exact same types of people throwing around the racist code words “identity politics” on here. Hearing self-described progressives throwing around the word designed by right wingers to convince white voters that the African-Americans and Latinos were out to get them is truly appalling.
And if it was unfair the way the caucus was run? Or can we make an argument against a point made by an eye witness simply by disparaging him or her. A sorry state of things if such is true.
I never in anyway said that Nevada’s vote was anything more than that, how consequential I cannot say. But it was important enough for the party leadership to appear there in the person of Barbra Boxer who basically told the Bernie supporters to shut up and get on board. The connection to the national party leadership, the reason some think that the fix was in is in the form of documents stolen and published that show that conversations took place among leaders that say that the party was doing what it could to get Sanders out of the race, to hurt his candidacy. So, while it was made to look like the race for the nomination was a fair one, the vote of the people in primaries and caucuses the means by which a candidate would be chosen, that wasn’t at all what happened. You might remember too that the head of the party was replaced directly after the documents were released, not because she was tired but because she had participated in activities that made it look as if the party was undemocratic.
Diane, PLEASE explain because I am genuinely confused. How were you insulted and who insulted you? Please clarify? I mean, I agree with your rule #1, but I am not seeing it. Did I miss something?
Oh, you mean Dienne 77? Was her remark insulting? I am not judging anyone, but I seek understanding.
Yep, I remember the Clinton’s on the news bashing the teachers and the teacher’s unions. It was awful. First in Arkansas and then the entire US, they controlled the narrative. They put all of this into motion. Teachers were respected the same as physicians and politicians before the Clinton era of political reign. Of course there was Nation at Risk during the Reagan years, but there was still some decency and checks and balances from many of our elected officials at that time. The Clinton era ushered in ALL the reforms (education, free market, social security, medicare, medicaid etc) that have made life difficult for the 99% of the population. A HRC presidency wouldn’t be much different than what we have have now with a Trump presidency….the narrative would be controlled better, but the backroom politics would still be the same. And just an FYI…I voted HRC (holding my nose!) because I couldn’t stand the thought of a country run by whack job GOP’s with a washed up reality “TV star” as it’s spokesperson.
I agree with what you have said but we do have Clinton to thank for Breyer and Ginsburg on the SCOTUS, the Brady Bill, a minimum wage increase in 1996 and SCHIP. That doesn’t offset all the negative things like welfare deform, media deregulation and eliminating Glass-Steagall but the SCOTUS picks are really huge.
As I remember, Nixon, Reagan, Bush 1 and 2 can be shown to have done some good things but, when all is washed out, not so good. I agree that he appointed decent people to serve on the court but you have to ask how much of what we have today is the result of Clinton policies. Consider that the sever economic downturn of not so many years ago–partly caused by Clinton deregulation policies– probably caused some of those severely harmed to trust that democrats would do what was needed to help them. The record shows that the banks not only got off scot-free but actually became even stronger both economically and in terms of political power. Look at Obama’s appointment of Wall Street people to important posts and consider the fact that in his eight years of office not a single player in dark scenario that robbed not so wealthy individuals of home and saving was personally punished! The business about Hillary and her speeches to the banking houses is important in understanding her perspective and that of the democratic party.
The election was a choice between an intelligent experienced woman and a dotard determined to destroy the environment, abolish gun control, eliminate all regulations on business, roll back civil rights protections, pack the federal courts with rightwing zealots who hate abortion and gays, etc. It was an easy choice.
Can you please link to some quotes where Hillary Clinton “bashed teachers”?
She supported ed reform early but so did Diane Ravitch.
The irony is that she was that if Hillary Clinton had won the primary in 2008 over Obama, and won the general election, I think the meaning of “education reform” would be the type of charters started by teachers that are part of the public school system and not separate from it.
But I am curious where Hillary Clinton bashed teachers and I’d like to see some quote from her bashing teachers in the last 20 years.
And it would be just as ridiculous to pull up something from the 1980s as it would be to hold Bernie Sanders to the pro-gun positions he took decades ago. If you can’t come up with something negative in the last 20 years, it seems ridiculous to have so much hate and ignore everything that has happened since then.
You can look it up yourself! Hillary and Bill wanted to be in the State House in Arkansas. They made it their mission to bash teachers and the teacher’s union. They aligned with the Walton family.
Lisa M,
I tried to look it up to see if it was true and I couldn’t find it.
“Bash” is a word that can mean a lot of things. I was hoping to see for myself to make sure that evil Hillary had said these terrible things about teachers.
I also wondered what she had said in the last 25 years, which I believe is far more important. I try to hold Hillary to the same standard I hold other progressive politicians, although I realize I am supposed to ignore what she has done for the last 20 years and focus only on the pure evil she did in Arkansas.
Do you live in New York? I do. Hillary was my Senator beginning in 2001. By all accounts she was not bashing teachers nor do I recall her promoting “good” charters in NY nearly as much as Bernie’s favorite Democrat Tom Perriello was. Hillary supported those same “good public charters” that Bernie Sanders did.
And I never once heard her bashing teachers. Maybe she did so 30 years ago in Arkansas. I don’t know why her record from 30 years ago is more important than what she did the last 20 years, but again, I guess to some people it does.
Maybe you can find some links for me to read since I tried very hard to find these evil statements you claim Hillary made all the time and could not. It should be easy to find since you insist she put so much effort into it.
I googled “Clintons Arkansas teachers unions” and got this at the top of the page: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/11/20/the-daily-202-why-teacher-unions-hated-hillary-clinton-when-she-was-arkansas-first-lady/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6f2298b5701d
LaLaura,
Thank you for the link! You just proved my point that only right wing trolls post that Hillary “bashed” teachers since there was nothing negative said by Hillary Clinton about teachers in that entire article.
Instead it said just the opposite!!
Hillary Clinton “disappointed liberals in the education reform movement by trashing charter schools, of which she used to be supportive. The Wall Street Journal editorial board last week accused her of being bought off: “Mrs. Clinton’s charter reversal suggests her Education Department would be a wholly owned union subsidiary.”
I sure hope that Lisa M reads that because she is going to be kicking herself for being so wrong about Hillary’s support of public schools.
Lisa M, no need to punish yourself for being so gullible here. You fell for the right wing propaganda directed toward gullible voters like you.
Unless you are a troll yourself, in which case you knew all along that Hillary Clinton never “bashed teachers” but hoped to score some points against Democrats as usual.
The people bashing teachers the most — who are STILL bashing teachers the most — are Trump and the Republicans. Why don’t you care about that?
Bill Clinton normalized much (if not most) of what is bad about today’s Democratic party.
It’s no surprise that he is so chummy with the Bush clan. Bill loved it when people called him the first black president, but the reality is that he was the second Bush president — and better at ” working with” (acceding to the demands of) the Republicans in Congress like Newt Gingrich than Bush the first was.
There is profound irony in the Republican-led impeachment of Clinton: If it had not been for the exposure of the affair with Monica Lewinski and the stained blue dress, Republicans would have gained even more from Clinton than they did, possibly even partial privatization of Social Security.
It extends beyond teachers. I have liberal hipster friends who adored Obama. I told them that Obama had done little for the working class or unions. Two traditional demographics of core Democrat support. Where was Obama in any strikes or actions like Chicago or Wisconsin? Nowhere.
So, 2016 was a mild realignment of groups. Democrats have done a poor job of standing up for the middle class in pursuit of donor money. And that came home in 2016. Democrats need to go back to their roots. Everyone keeps predicting a blue wave in November, but it will be minimal if they don’t reconnect with their voting blocs. Which they are not doing especially well.
“Hipster” is a class designation, more than anything else.
My guess is that your hipster friends couldn’t have cared less about Obama’s disdain for the working class.
Yes, Michael. It’s hip to ignore labor and distribution of wealth. It’s also hip to just focus on identity politics and exclude everything about the working class’s well being.
Trés chic . . .
The words “identity politics” is a propaganda term designed by the right wing to convince white voters — especially straight Christian white male voters — that if you care about the plight of African-American or Latinos or gays that means that you do NOT care about those suffering white males who have been thrown aside so often and whose difficult plight is made so much harder now that they suffer from all that “discrimination”.
See Richard Cohen in the Washington Post for how this works — I think certain white male “progressives” on here who know how much white men like Cohen have suffered at the hands of those awful “women and minorities” — the very same “women and minorities” who conspired to “get” Bernie and working together denied him his rightful place on the Democratic ticket that has always been so unkind of white men.
Let’s attack those “evil hipsters” because Norwegian Filmmaker has absolute proof that they only care about “identity politics” (whatever that terms means beyond signaling to white males that someone is out to get them).
^^like “drain the swamp” – which Trump uses so much — those terms are meaningless words that are all about scamming people who fall for slogans because it’s so much easier than addressing the complicated issues involved in governing a big country.
Shows how much you know, NYCpsp, as usual: though it may have been appropriated by the Right, the term “political correctness” was first used by people on the Left, to express their frustration with sanctimonious, virtue-signalling, push-button Leftists whom most people rightfully find insufferable. It represents the decline, not the rise, of liberal/left politics
You are correct, Michael.
NYC public school parent
“The words “identity politics” is a propaganda term designed by the right wing ”
I would like to see you document that!!!!!!!
The term has been used in politics to describe the appeal of a politician to social issues. Which sometimes are entwined with economic issues .
In fact you just verified that .
“signaling to white males that someone is out to get them”,
So are not racial dog whistles classic appeals to identity politics as it has been practiced by the right . . Actually described in a1963 ballad by a recent Nobel winning poet . Those whites” sit on the caboose of the train to the politicians gain”.
But then you go on to agree with us lefties . In an almost Marxian moment you assert ;
“those terms are meaningless words that are all about scamming people who fall for slogans because it’s so much easier than addressing the complicated issues involved in governing a big country.”
Governing is what ? Deciding how the economic pie is divided.
Now is it possible for you to go through one post without mentioning Bernie Sanders ? . You say you supported him, but he lost . It must have been devastating for you but get over it. (a bit of sarcasm noted) .
Michael Fiorillo
No fair I was typing that before i had to walk the dog(LOL) . But It was first used by the Left to describe the right . Then as a critique of those “limousine liberals ” who concentrated on Identity.
I agree with you, Joel. Something is fishy about NYCPSP. She loves and hates Sanders. She/he is just so eerily . . . . balanced and can say many things to many people in a Bacon-esque way, but whay points does she/he really drive home? Ummmmmm. I’m not a fan of Bacon’s essays and his style.
Her real name might stand for “Not Your Collectivist People’s Socialist Person”
🙂
An interesting detail about the origins of the term “Identity Politics:” the coining of the term is often attributed to the Combahee River Collective Statement, which was a manifesto on racial and sexual politics produced by the Combahee River Collective, a group of gay Black women in the early seventies.
One of its more prominent members was Chirlane McCray, wife of current NYC mayor Bill De Blasio
Michael and Joel,
I am very likely wrong about the ORIGIN of the term “identity politics”.
But the common use of that phrase for the last 10 or 15 years has not been liberals attacking liberals. It has been a term used by right wing propagandists to attack the left. So it’s discouraging to see the foolish left helping the right make their attacks.
“identity politics”. “political correct”. “Massachusetts liberal”
It doesn’t matter that the origin of those terms were. Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, Roger Ailes and company turned “liberal” into something that was so hateful that democrats ran away from the word for 25 years.
Why? Why was “liberal” so evil? Why was “identity politics” so evil? Why was “political correct” so evil?
Because the propagandists knew that the foolish left would jump on the bandwagon to destroy their own.
The people who think “identity politics” is an evil thing that demonstrates how bad the democrats to make them hate the party are the exact same people who made “liberal” a dirty word.
And it is discouraging to see people who should know better helping the right wing propagandists make caring about the plight of anyone but white men into “identity politics”.
^^By the way “liberal” has barely recovered. That’s why politicians have to say they are “progressive” because liberal is such a dirty word.
Liberal was not a dirty word when I was a kid. It was something people were proud of being. Until the 1988 Lee Atwater campaign.
And caring about the plight of people of color or women or people with disabilities wasn’t a nasty thing when I was younger. It was what you did if you were a good person.
Now it is simply “identity politics” to suggest that anyone who isn’t white could possibly be suffering any disadvantages and how dare they not be satisfied with the way things are — white men know it’s all perfect (except for the economy).
Thus, to stop the masses from “storming the castle” they must be taught
that they own it…
I just don’t think they get it. They don’t believe they have to offer anything positive to public school families. They assume we don’t value our schools at all and there’s a reason for that- THEY don’t value public schools so they can’t imagine it.
Looking at schools as contract service providers is VERY different than looking at schools as central to people’s communities. It’s a whole different philosophy.
I wonder sometimes where the disconnect started. It’s like our political leaders and the citizens live in two different countries.
They’re holding an ed reform event right now. You know who they’re speaking to? George W Bush. George W Bush doesn’t know anything about how people experience public schools. If he ever did (and I don’t think he ever did) he sure as heck doesn’t know NOW, after years out of office.
Chiara, my sense is that the big change occurred with the 2000 election. That was the first time I saw a politician, George W. Bush, place the blame for all things wrong education on teachers. His “soft bigotry of low expectations” was simultaneously incredibly effective and incredibly cynical. To me, that line made Ed Reform bipartisan.
when fighting against the “soft bigotry of low expectations” could then lead to the vicious HARD BIGOTRY of publicly labeling and blaming poor children, and closing down their schools…
So long as the biggest teachers unions are going to automatically endorse the Democratic candidate with no stipulations, they don’t have to offer anything. In fact, they’d be foolish to offer anything when they can get what they want for free.
Couldn’t agree more.
dienne77
What is the alternative . If you think this battle is over in the few states where teachers with little left to lose seem to have score a victory ,stay tuned . The only alternative is in the primaries.
The teachers unions didn’t do too well in the primaries, if you’ll recall. Remember, they helped to bring us Hillary over Bernie.
dienne77,
So let’s absolish teachers’ unions. Not only do they allow those lazy teachers to keep their job, but they aren’t doing one good thing for teachers.
Why is anyone on here still supporting the greedy teacher unions when dienne77 just explained how they are fighting for the dark side?
He never knew anything about public schools, doesn’t now
You really think so? Have you ever tried to meet up with him? I’m not distrusting you here at all. I just want to underrated any intersectionalities you have had with him and within his very space.
Meant to say that I just want to understand any intersectionalities . . . .
Democrats need to understand that they will win when they support public education and unions. Average Americans are weary of failed “reform.” Public school parents vote, and most of them want strong public schools. The free market corporate Democrats have been running the DNC. As Diane has pointed out, by abandoning their base, Democrats continue to lose ground. The corporate policies of the party have allied them with conservatives on economic issues. With a disinvestment in the common good and attacks on unions, it is hard to tell the Democrats from conservatives. The corporate Democrats have united with conservatives to privatize education and test and punish public schools. Most working people want to see a Democratic party that defends the common good and public education. Democrats win when they support public schools. I wish the leadership of the party understood this.
I had to go to Wiki , because I struggle with this . We are convoluting the meaning of the term, to what end , I am not sure.
“In the 1960s, usage of the term “neoliberal” heavily declined. When the term re-appeared in the 1980s in connection with Augusto Pinochet’s economic reforms in Chile, the usage of the term had shifted. It had not only become a term with negative connotations employed principally by critics of market reform, but it also had shifted in meaning from a moderate form of liberalism to a more radical and laissez-faire capitalist set of ideas. Scholars now tended to associate it with the theories of Mont Pelerin Society economists Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman and James M. Buchanan, along with politicians and policy-makers such as Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan and Alan Greenspan.”
There is another description for Democrats who subscribe to that philosophy, it is a lot simpler than trying to rectify the party of FDR and Liberalism with the principles of liberated markets . That description is corrupt . Of course it is all a matter of scale, obviously Democrats are fighting for a place at the corporate trough, dominated by Republicans .
The rest of Berkshire’s assertions are correct ,yet as others have stated , it is not just teachers . It is factory workers in the Midwest as well as all those progressives who were told to stop their whining on a whole host of issues .
Going back to yesterdays discussion on WFP someone commented that certain Unions relationship with politicians had become transactional . As if to connote that was a bad thing.
But isn’t that exactly what Politics is supposed to be .” determining who gets what when and how”
So what do Democrats offer the 90% , 99% is a little to broad. For the most part the 90% can only offer their votes in return . The Republicans have spent decades portraying both parties as the same , corrupt and government as the problem . The more corrupt Republicans are the more the Public who is not paying attention associates it with “the system” or “the establishment “. The Clinton /Obama
New Democrats have been more then willing to accommodate them in this effort.
Unfortunately I have to add to this ,the working class participated in bringing this about as far back as Nixon . Their propensity to vote against their own economic interests on social issues and racism is astounding.
The “new” Democrats are comfortable taking Silicon Valley and Wall Street’s cash. After Clinton and Obama, the public has caught on to the fact that working people are not valued in this economic plan. Their strategy of saying one thing and doing another worked for Clinton and Obama, but it didn’t work for Hillary. Democrats need to become authentically more progressive to move the party forward and win elections.
agreed
“it didn’t work for Hillary…”
Which is the irony because she was probably the one candidate who DID believe in that and was willing to roll up her sleeves and make compromises and do the very hard work of getting things done.
Which was clear to me ever since her naive attempt to get health care reform in 1993 ended in fiasco and she rolled up her sleeves to work for Child Health Plus which for decades has been one of the great boon to so many WORKING CLASS people.
But how many times have Democrats been played over the years? Mike Dukakis is a far left pro-rapist and murders, proto-Commie. Al Gore is a liar and exaggerator so can’t trust him. John Kerry is a liar and exaggerator and a fake hero who is really a coward so can’t trust him, either. Hillary Clinton — greedy liar who is only in politics for the money so can’t trust her either.
It doesn’t matter who the candidate is: Elizabeth Warren – lying fake whose entire career is based on her lies about Native American ancestry. Bernie Sanders — fake progressive who gets his wife high paying jobs in which she lies to get even richer, but is protected by Bernie’s corrupt friends in Vermont who got her the high paying job in which she single handedly destroyed a college.
It is naive to believe that any Democrat is immune when there are too many gullible Dems who are so angry their own chosen candidate didn’t win that they will happily jump on the bandwagon repeating whatever attacks the right wing devises that they fall for every time.
^^^And I left out the weak and ineffectual Jimmy Carter who sold out every progressive idea (which I fell for) and also turned our country into a weak laughingstock in the world (which more moderate Dems fell for).
“The Democrats lost their voice”
They lost their voice on Wall Street
In talks with Jamie Dimon
It made them hoarse to oft repeat
“I so adore your diamond”.
“Where do Democrats stand?”
Where do Democrats stand
On current ed reforms?
In Duncan’s chartered band
Of seventy-six VAMbones
Though Betsy now conducts
The band remains unchanged
With lots of public bucks
Though chairs were re-arranged
Clever as usual
“Seventy Six VAMbones” (from the Music Man, of course)
Seventy-six VAMbones led Reform Parade
With a hundred and ten Core-nets close at hand.
They were followed by rows and rows of the charter scamming pros
The cream of ev’ry shyster band.
Seventy-six VAMbones caught the morning sun
With a hundred and ten Core-nets right behind
There were more than a thousand Rhees
Springing up like weeds
There were brooms of ev’ry shape and kind.
There were crapper bottom toiletries in Gates platoons
Thundering, thundering all along the way.
Double bell baloniums and big buffoons
Each buffoon having his big, fat say!
There were fifty mounted cannon in DeVosery
Thundering, thundering louder than before
Vouchers of ev’ry size
Deformers who’d tell their lies:
“The Public schools are free of Common Core!”
Once again, you have transcended even your own level of poetic humor.
Thanks but that one basically wrote itself.
I think it’s because the story is so apt.
The Con Artist’s Tale is as American as apple pie.
A can of nasty complexity here that must be considered critically so that good teaching (really a difficult thing to do) is not made the problem because some teachers cannot do what is necessary to help their students to become the kind of thoughtful citizens who would be able to see and understand the kind of issues under discussion here. That the neoliberal approach is a problem, with this I fully agree. In fact, I see it as inhumane, the preparation of students for the workplace, ready to obey every command of the employer, unthinkingly. Neoliberal notions of education and its purpose are more about making an inhuman economic system not only palatable, but, no matter how much pain one suffers for it, understood to be the best there can possibly be. If a teacher is not willing or able to help students acquire and grow the skills that are essential to engage in what Neil Postman a long time ago called “bullshit detection” than that teacher is not worthy of being a teacher. This article and the arguments of those cited are examples of bullshit detection. A decent education would have allowed, ENCOURAGED those who vote to think first about what the candidates were really about and, in turn, because the voters were wise enough to demand such there would have been sound candidates who those voters could come to understand were viable ones because they would know that the agenda would be theirs, the citizen-voters agenda.
So, that so many are either hoodwinked or forced to decide either/or when none of the above is good enough, needs to be studied and, from that study derived a proper job description for educators.
I personally know of many excellent teachers, most of these terribly frustrated by the system in which they work, in large part because they are smart enough to resent being controlled by a system that works against what they know to be legitimate goals for education. They cannot teach well because decisions regarding what things are taught and how they need be taught are not theirs but decisions made by others whose goals are the wrong ones.
There is a mess from which we, people interested in good education, need to extricate ourselves and that mess is signified in the article to which I am responding. Teachers are, it is ever so true, an oppressed and under appreciated class of people. They are rigidly controlled and, in the school environment, restricted in ways that undermine initiative, innovation, creativity. They are not to think too critically about the curriculum they are handed and hardly ever asked with sincerity to participate in the development of curriculum or methods for instruction. Sad but true, there are many teachers who like the job because it does not require too much thought. There are curriculum manuals and teachers’ editions of the textbook that spell out step by step how instruction should be “delivered.” Too many are habituated to direct instruction approaches that wholly ignore the nature of the individuals being taught. Direct instruction teacher plug into a methodology that has for every question a right answer that is to be taken as true and right because it is in the book. There is hardly, if any, room for teacher or student to think about things and work toward conclusions that are based on their own knowledge and reasoning.
So, sad as it may be, there are bad teachers in the system and sadder, within the system, because they obey, they are said to be good teachers. The same goes for students. If they do what they are told, accept what is said as right, they succeed in school. If they ever question authority, they are punished in some way or another, many of these students labelled rebellious and good numbers of them not thriving in the system. I know these students. I now teach for them in a community college where I am an instructor in remedial English.
So there are not so good and even bad teachers. But the approach to dealing with them as per the Bill and Hillary approach is wholly inappropriate because it has nothing much to do with making sure that the quality of instruction is worthy of a citizenry that is supposed to be able to govern itself. I remember Hillary, in a talk recorded and played on a Pacifica station, touting educational programs that would turn out, en mass, new entrepreneurs, the entrepreneur, for her, the model for what all should aspire to. She said nothing about informed and thoughtful citizen. Her bad teacher would be one who did not buy into the system, who encouraged students to understand the system and properly critique it so that they could make decisions, personal and private based on what their thinking led them to believe was best.
We need good teachers and we do students a great wrong when we allow them to be taught by those who are not good. We need to reward teachers for their good work by paying them decent salaries. We need to force good salaries by refusing to allow the hiring of those who are not good examples of the well informed and thoughtful human being. From the lowest grades up, the teachers by whom students are taught need to be intellectual active beings who understand the subject matter and understand it properly by understand the context in which the disciplines work and the meaning of the understandings they produce. Teachers in the good school system would work together to create the proper curriculum for the students they teach. They would work together to adapt and create methods appropriate for the actual students in their classrooms. They would, by nature, be creative, innovative, and engaged regularly in discovery and critical thought. They would rebel against those who tried to cage them in and would force them to sing a gospel in which they did not see righteousness.
So, yes. The neoliberal approach is as anti-intellectual as the direct instruction approach and neither should ever be allowed into the schools. Since they are there and dominant now, they need to be expunged so that teacher have the freedom to be thoughtful teachers and students the right to grow up to be effective participants in their society, in determining what is right and wrong, good and bad so their decisions, personal and public, are based on understanding and not blind acceptance.
What if a teacher believes the direct instruction method is a good one for a particular subject. There is little question what a child needs to know to begin a study of Trigonometry, for example. Perhaps there are bad teachers, as you assert, but who can know if they are?
I thank you for this essay. There is much in it to consider.
How those basics are taught can be taught by having students think about what they are being taught, to understand it in the context of its function, function in the context of how what is learned can be and is applied in the world. I guarantee you that there would be many more who understood and used higher level mathematics if taught mathematics in the context of its meaningfulness. I just memorized the notes for the strings on a guitar because I knew I needed to know them to play the guitar. Thinking about their order on the instrument and why it is so is a product of my curiosity and I want to know more because the way in which notes are used to make cords and cords melodies is fascinating to me. Tell me if you haven’t met students who complain that math and science and social science and English–even literature–are boring. How could it be??? Because of a focus on basics in isolation from their meaningfulness, their applicability to real world problems. If you read Engelmann, the papa of Direct Instruction, you will see that direct instruction, and not just the radical form Ziggy preaches, is a top down authoritarian methodology that teaches students that thinking about what one is being taught is not worth the time and to discuss those thought even more of a barrier to “getting through” the curriculum.
Lafered,
I am compelled to say that your essay is one of the most seminal, pivotal, and critical pieces to come around in a long time. I hope Dr. Ravitch will consider it as a post in and of itself.
LOVED it, and it says it all. It explains why teachers teach the way they do, why the flow of the day looks the way it does in early childhood classes, and why children learn and think the way they do. It also explains the mental capacity of the citizenry, and the ruling class is having a field day with it.
If yours is not an indispensable essay, I don’t know what is.
If I credit you, would you be okay if I sent it out to everyone I know?
I am missing why all the love for lafared’s essay.
To me, this is exactly what the right wingers say about teachers. There are some good ones and some bad ones. We need to get rid of the bad ones.
But the problem is no one wants to address HOW to identify and get rid of the bad ones. If I was really being anti-union, I would say that the decades of unions protections of bad teachers are the reason that ed reform came into being. Since once a teacher has tenure they must commit a crime to lose their job, how does one get rid of them?
Some reformers came up with a pro-union solution — which is probably why Randi Weingarten didn’t oppose it in the beginning. Use this curriculum and teach it and no one can accuse the teacher of being “bad”.
That solution was not pro-TEACHER. But it was pro-UNION.
Does anyone dare to agree with the notion that you need to get rid of the union to get good teaching?
Because I guarantee you that the right wing Republicans would be delighted to trade the entire Common Core testing regime if you can just get rid of the union and all job protections for teachers so that only the good ones remain.
After all, their agenda has never been the Common Core. It has been figuring out how to get rid of the union and all protections for teachers.
Randi Weingarten’s has been how to keep the union and agreeing to Common Core was part of that.
I have no doubt if you offered an exchange where we get rid of Common Core AND the union so that those “great” teachers that lafared are rewarded and the lousy ones (as judged by the principal or some higher up administrator) get fired, the right wing Republicans would embrace it.
I would caution that people do not react on the basis of labels and the behavior they signify but on ideas and, if schools are problematic and if there are too many bad teachers, and if there are too many disaffected students and if their are too many dropouts and if students graduate without the skills, knowledge and disposition that are essential to being an active and effective member of a democratic society, then we should be concerned with cause and remedies. I am a supporter of unions. I am in no way against for what I think AFT and NEA stand. I am for examining their role creating the problems as well as their contribution to the good. For me it is not a matter of pro-union or anti-union, or for that matter left and right, liberal and conservative. It is a matter of what students need to achieve meaningful, sensible, empowering educational goals.
I support teachers and in supporting them, I have to point to those who make teachers look bad and hope with all my heart that they will find another profession. I hope with all my heart that more of the best and brightest will decide to teach and I will continue to fight like hell against any institution or policy that contributes to low status in society for teachers (how can that be!!!!!!??????) and the concomitant lacking in the remuneration good teachers receive for their good work.
I say that we agree on goals. My reading of the CCSS is not that they are evil, that a good many are rock solid in what they show to be the kind of things that students should be able to do when they graduate high school. I love that the preface to the mathematics standards that orient toward students knowing how to think mathematically, know when the different kinds of mathematical manipulations taught in the various courses can be applied, what problems can be solved by their application. I like so many of the English standards, particularly the one that calls for students to be able to read and understand the foundational documents of the American nation, to be able to read Supreme Court decisions, both the majority and minority opinions and then argue themselves for which are right and which are wrong. I like too the Next Generation Science Standards because they too are oriented toward developing students’ ability to think scientifically, to not just memorize science principles but to understand them and be able to consider their elegance for the ways in which they may be applied to make incredible things happen.
So, criticize me if you find fault. I will think about what you say and probably respond. But as I said at the beginning of what is my second essay of the day, education and the educational system need to be fixed so that with graduation comes initiative, inventiveness, heightened creativity, and the kind of empowerment that allows people act upon their world and in there work in an informed and reasonable manner. It is these very things that the powers that be do not like because their power, so much and so often, depends on a citizenry that is not informed and reasonable. Bad, really bad and to ignore the reason for the state of schools in this country is to make it impossible to do what is necessary to make them the most wonderful places in the world.
lafered,
Perhaps you don’t know that people who repeat the same talking points as you are very excited that in NY State, large charter school networks will be able to train newly minted college grads to be “good” teachers. And just as you like, if the teachers aren’t “good”, the charters can simply fire them at will.
These “good” teachers will have degrees from fancy colleges so we know they are smart (not like all those union teachers who fought basic competency tests). And again, charters will identify the “bad” teachers and fire them, so it’s all okay.
What’s not to like?
Some people who agree with what I say are communists and some are Dodger’s fans. What effect should that have on how sensible people should think about what I have to say?
Thank you! Exactly the problem.
Well written, lafered!
If I may address a few of the points that caught my eye.
“So, that so many are either hoodwinked or forced to decide either/or when none of the above is good enough, needs to be studied and, from that study derived a proper job description for educators.”
The proper job description starts with the fundamental purpose of education. Where can that be found? I discuss this in Ch. 1 “The Fundamental Purpose of Public Education”. The purpose must be derived from the states’ constitutions as those are the authorizing documents for public education in the US. Having analyzed all 50 of the constitutions, this is what I came up with “The purpose of public education is to promote the welfare of the individual so that each person may savor the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the fruits of their own industry.”
Anything that contradicts/contravenes the state (teachers as agents of the state) from fulfilling that purpose should rightly be rejected. And much of what you have written points to malpractices that should be rejected.
“Direct instruction teacher plug into a methodology that has for every question a right answer that is to be taken as true and right because it is in the book.”
I can’t agree that direct instruction necessarily demands a right answer. Without some direct instruction/guidance, students are left floundering in a morass of information, sometimes that is actually a foreign language. To begin to think that students can learn a second language all on their own is preposterous. Why re-invent the wheel with all the accompanying less than successful wasteful projects that end in nothingness? A helpful direct instruction guides the student along the process of leaning such a complicated subject as a second language. Go wander in the woods, get lost, have no clue how to get out because one hasn’t thought about the getting lost scenario. Best to go in an unknown landscape either with a guide or plenty of experience in pioneering with a compass and maps. Constructivist approaches are fine for some of the earlier grades but as students grow, they require some help in sorting out all the information, activities and knowledge that there is.
“We need good teachers and we do students a great wrong when we allow them to be taught by those who are not good. We need to reward teachers for their good work by paying them decent salaries. We need to force good salaries by refusing to allow the hiring of those who are not good examples of the well informed and thoughtful human being.”
Duane, since I respect your opinion on this, I’m wondering how you think this comes about. It sounds like the Republicans’ argument to do away with unions (and job protections), to do away with licensing requirements, and promote merit pay for those “good” teachers.
So who decides who those “good” teachers are in this scenario?
This is absurd! So if it sounds republican it is bad? There is no logic in this just tribalism of a kind I think we need to consider and teach students to consider using good information and rational thought. This is not a republican idea. I thought it and am nothing close to a republican. And I hope the person you ask to analyze my statement for traces of right wing residue understands that there are ideas of some party or no party that are good, for instance, that students should know of and understand the purpose and the particulars of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I do not think conservative would necessarily approve of a pedagogy based in critical analysis of such documents but maybe I convince them IF I think outside of the narrow confines of my political preferences and deal with the issues at hand instead. Come open Dwayne, help me out here.
NYCpsp,
Good question! Generally, I don’t see things through the political lens of whether something is a Dem or Rep initiative, doing, policy. I see a duopoly wherein both sides do not represent what I believe needs to be done. I know many people of all political persuasions, ethnicities, etc. . . and we all have the same basic human needs (which in a lot of cases aren’t being met by society) and most people aren’t “bad”. Perhaps a bit misgiven in my mind and/or ignorant-meaning making decisions with only a minimum of information-gut feelings and intuition. You and I have differing ways of looking at SOME things. And the same ways of looking at OTHER things. And that’s okay, it’s what makes the political world tick.
So I do not see it as “the Republican argument . . .” I’ve seen all different political persuasions play into the “teacher bad” meme. So how did this come about? And “who decides”?
For me, it started at the end of last century in response to the various critical of public education reports since the 80s. (It actually goes back a lot further but, not enough time to go into those roots) In the late 90s the administrative literature took a sharp turn from collaborative style management wherein the teachers, parents and even students were being given a voice in how the school should be run to one of having “strong educational leaders” which was actually mimicking the business sector and the “strong” CEO, who by the way was earning millions while the workers got stiffed for all the increases in productivity. This “strong leader” talk neccesitated a means to “control” outputs so NCLB with it’s standards and testing mandates came about with both of the duopoly’s parties claiming they were “cleaning up” the schools. What a joke!
Now before the NCLB and the subsequent iterations of the test and punish regime of the “strong leaders” (which is what things like the Broad Academy (sic), TFA and TNTP attempt to bring about) evaluations were a collaborative process between the administrator and the teacher. It was one of, at least in my experience, of the teacher showing the administrator (they weren’t adminimals as much back then) what he/she was attempting to do in a given class, the administrator would observe and then there would be a meeting to discuss what went on. Sometimes back then, there were even peer evaluators, coaches, etc. . . to assist a teacher to better self-evaluate.
In any professional scenario (and if management/administration were wise it should hold for all employees and/or students) the evaluation must be one of collaboration, what Wilson describes as the “Responsive Frame” wherein all parties involved are constantly looking, discussing, giving feedback multiple ways throughout the process of the work environment, in this case the teacher’s working situation. It is meant to be collaborative and using narrative/dialogue as the primary means of improving, if possible, performance.
To answer your question, then: It becomes apparent that whenever there is a teacher that is struggling and the whole process will show that, if necessary, to all involved just where the teacher is in their teaching capabilities and by the end of a year, there shouldn’t be any doubt as to whether the teacher can handle the job or not. Who decides? In my scenario both the teacher him/herself and those involved decide. It really isn’t that difficult of a process, it’s just that the “strong leader” meme has been so pounded into administrators at this point that it is going to take the next generation of teachers battling tooth and claw to earn the right of a proper self-evaluative process.
Does that help?
Lafered and others,
I will say very succinctly and acurately that if teachers are “bad” and don’t really teach kids how to question and be critical thinkers because those teachers themselves don’t do either, then you MUST understand that the reform movement has shaped curriculum and standards, teaching methods and programs, AND testing to crowd out so many other types of cognitive development. It’s all in the name of performing well on long, drawn out, expensive, and yes, developmentally inappropriate tests.
While the CCSS has many rich things that are important, the timeline of the skills expected by certain ages has been hijacked and perverted, where kindergarten is the new middle of the school year first grade and where third graders are getting fifth grade reading passages on their standardized ELA tests. In addition tying test scores to teacher acumen is a misguided, non-empirical, counterproductive and unsubstantive practice, one that only narrows curriculum, cuts out and crowds out all other sorts of critical learning, such as oral language development and social skills, and creates a high stakes test and punish culture. Kids can’t even finish a whole work of literature because they are reading only parts of it in order to practice reading skills.
We mainly don’t have bad teachers. The USA has bad policy and bad funding that is anti- child, anti-equity, anti-collectivist, and anti-democracy. It’s anti-American.
Make no bones about it!!
De acuerdo.
I’m all for getting rid of those “bad” teachers that lafered knows are out there.
I just want lafered to explain to me exactly how we identify all those “bad” teachers that lafered wants gone and also identify all the “good” teachers that lafered knows should be rewarded.
Everyone loves lafered’s ideas so maybe someone can explain to me how his “lets get rid of bad teachers and keep the good” works.
Honest evaluation by highly intelligent and highly qualified educators. Teachers with a sound sense of the goals of the educational project dedicated to insuring that all students get the education they need certainly could do the evaluations. The unions (and I do not hate unions and not a republican) would have to, in a sense, stop being unions in the traditional sense. When I taught our union was called and educational association. Instead of working to insure quality people delivering quality education, it existed to protect teachers whether they were good or bad. I understood why, because some teachers were done harm by the district because they dared to not agree with district policies or taught the forbidden. The association was there to insure that teachers had the right to teach but it also, because we all paid dues, came to the defense of the truly bad teachers, my dues going to pay to protect incompetence,
Teachers are evaluated now, everywhere. They should be and with rigor. The evaluation by principals could be a good process if the principals were as dedicated to good instruction as are good teachers. They aren’t always good enough and most cannot spend enough time with any one teacher to really know how well they are doing.
So, peer evaluation is a possibility but only if peers are their to evaluate and not protect. Educational associations could sponsor and offer workshops for teachers in the evaluation process. Of course, they would have to be dedicated to quality education and protect those who contribute to such and not those who do not.
There is one big obstacle to evaluation of any kind and that is a clear sense of what constitutes good education. I have a sense of what good education looks like and I have written extensively about such. We probably are wasting our time here if we are not clear on what it is that the educational process should be fashioned to achieve. I say that those goals need to be situated first and foremost around thoughtfulness, ability to do what is necessary to be adequately informed (math and science as well as the social sciences and the language arts all should contribute to the kind of global literacy that allows an individual to think his or her way to good decisions) and reasonable in his or her assessment of information and ideas acquired to come to sensible conclusions that are used to made sensible decisions.
Bad teachers, with a proper evaluation system in place will, after a time will not have to be fired because the rigorous scrutiny a teacher would face would keep the unqualified from applying and, think about this, force salaries up because the numbers of highly qualified would be limited.
If you have written extensively about what good education, please share some titles.
Hopefully, my earlier response to you will help you understand that there is a process in which those who struggle in the classroom can be identified, worked with, given a chance to improve, and then if not given a chance to gracefully exit.
Duane,
I agree with all your points.
Do you believe that the “bad” teachers should get due process and should seniority protections be abolished in order to reward those “good” teachers that lefaver wants to reward?
lefaver posted a lot of pablum that seems to hide what he is really saying. Fire all these “bad” teachers he implies are being protected by the union and that’s why they haven’t been fired yet.
I don’t care whether it’s Republican or Democrat. As a parent, I certainly wish I could fire a teacher I didn’t like, even if another parent liked the teacher. And I have no doubt some other parent would like to fire one of the teachers I liked the most.
The reason I support the union is because – even if it may protect some “bad” teachers — is that is also protects the good ones and makes it easier for teachers to speak out when they see students being abused or wronged.
I only have to see what happens at charters where every teacher is so cowed by the administration that they are terrified of protecting the kids who are targets of got to go lists.
And I am sure those charters have handpicked groups of “teachers” who would happily give any teacher who sticks her neck out for a kid the boot. Especially if they are rewarded themselves for it.
NYCpsp,
You asked:
“Do you believe that the “bad” teachers should get due process and should seniority protections be abolished in order to reward those “good” teachers that lefaver wants to reward?”
Yes, ALL teachers should get due process. One cannot firmly determine if a teacher is “bad” until after the due process has run its course.
No, seniority protections shouldn’t be abolished. Seniority as a system overall has served the students well by rewarding teachers who have chosen to stay in a low remuneration job-at least affording them job security. Job security seems to me to be a fair trade-off in a lower paying profession.
Obviously, as far as it goes, seniority for me does not include protecting teachers who have slacked off, lost what it takes to teach, etc. . . . It is the administrator’s job to detect and work with the teacher towards improvement. But the evaluative system should be set up to detect and prevent a “bad” teacher from taking hold to begin with. A Wilson Responsive Frame of evaluation, a professional give and take would go a long way in preventing someone from getting to the point of being a “bad” teacher. If no improvement then, again, it is the administrator’s job to help the teacher see it may be time for the teacher to realize moving on might be the best for all involved. Is that a dicey proposal? Can it be messy? Yes, but I’ve seen it done so that all may keep their dignity intact.
Duane,
If you read lafered’s posts carefully you will see that he/she would disagree with all that you said.
lafered believes unions are the problem as they now stand. he believes you just need “education associations” and some group of handpicked people would decide which teachers are good and which are bad.
Basically, what lafered describes is no different than what any charter could claim to have. Their “model” teachers and administrators evaluate teachers to decide who stays and who goes.
lafered does not believe in unions as they are currently constructed because they “protect” bad teachers. That’s basically the talking point of every right wing Republican.
what lafered is talking about has nothing to do with common core or testing. lafered wants a system where bad teachers are removed.
Which is, of course, what everyone wants. It’s just how you get there and who decides who is “bad” where the difference between those who want to undermine unions and those who believe they are necessary.
lafered believes bad teachers are protected in public schools. The favorite talking point of the right wing.
NYCpsp,
I didn’t see what you are describing in what lafared has written, but then again when I see two posters going toe to toe, I have a tendency to only cursorily read the back and forth. And with those types of back and forth, I generally don’t have a need to get involved. I’ll let the two or three involved duke it out intellectually speaking.
Duane,
As a parent, I don’t have a problem with lefever’s comments about how bad it is that the unions have to pay to defend teachers accused of being bad. On its’ face it sounds like something every parent would embrace — who wants their kid to have one of those “bad” teachers.
But I can step back and see that once you remove due process and the protections unions provide to teachers accused of wrongdoing, you are opening up an entirely different can of worms.
lefever – like the education reformers — say it’s much better and more efficient for the bad teachers to be identified by a chosen group of other teachers at the school and weeded out.
Lefever believes that this system is better than one in which bad teachers are “protected” by the union. That certainly sounds appealing to parents. If they aren’t paying attention. If they don’t realize that the union isn’t “protecting bad teachers” – they are providing due process for teachers accused of being bad.
But if you start with the notion that the union protects bad teachers — a favorite talking point of the right — then it certainly convinces parents not to support a union.
Most of the people voting for Trump are middle class Americans and seniors who were taught in an era when the teachers’ union was strong.
lafered, I read this and I still don’t understand your point. Maybe someone can explain it to me:
WHO decides which teachers get fired for being no good and which ones get promoted and raises for their success? The principal?
Maybe my last post will be helpful,
lafared,
Why can’t you simply answer my question?
Who decides what makes a good and bad teacher since you have made it very clear you believe there are notable numbers of bad teachers who should not be teaching and “good” teachers who should be distinguished and rewarded?
How is it decided who is good and who is bad? And where does the union come in?
Do these “bad” teachers you are certain are in schools everywhere have any union protections from being fired for what you know is that they are bad?
The school district where I live “is working with the XQ Institute to conduct a survey which helps determine how our school and district is doing in terms of preparing students for college and careers.” Yuck!
Not very original for the XQ Institute, but then they shun educators who do not buy the “college and careers” agenda forced into the agenda for this century by Bill Gates.
Here is a problem from which every politician wishes to be distracted.
https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2018/04/17/childhood-poverty-costs-us-1-trillion-year-researchers-find/?utm_source=cerkl&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter-04172018&cerkl_id=1693675&cerkl_ue=w1lgssYRVwl8i%2FeQbiv%2FZmiPaHKDzoxEmIN9XO1ojxA%3D
We developed a really powerful proposal and were shut down first round while a group of people I know created a career/business friendly proposal that made it through several round. I got a sense of their orientation reading the proposals they moved up the ladder and was about saving capitalism and not about saving democracy.
Agree, James … YUCK! Wonder what the profits are?
Thanks for writing this article, Jennifer. Thanks for posting it, Diane. It’s a gem.
But America does have $$$$$ for wars.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/04/17/astronomical-cost-war-average-us-taxpayer-sent-3456-pentagon-last-year-and-just-39?utm_term=%27Astronomical%27%20Cost%20of%20War%3A%20Average%20US%20Taxpayer%20Sent%20%243%2C456%20to%20Pentagon%20Last%20Year%20and%20Just%20%2439%20to%20the%20EPA&utm_campaign=News%20%2526%20Views%20%7C%20Climate%20Crisis%20Pushes%20Mother%20Nature%20%27Out%20of%20Synch%27&utm_content=email&utm_source=Daily%20Newsletter&utm_medium=email&cm_mmc=Act-On%20Software--email--News%20%2526%20Views%20%7C%20Climate%20Crisis%20Pushes%20Mother%20Nature%20%27Out%20of%20Synch%27-_-%27Astronomical%27%20Cost%20of%20War%3A%20Average%20US%20Taxpayer%20Sent%20%243%2C456%20to%20Pentagon%20Last%20Year%20and%20Just%20%2439%20to%20the%20EPA
America has plenty of money for wars, as long as it does not have to have a middle class, public schools, nationalized healthcare and higher education. All is fine in paradise.
A fair, just, happy society is so overrated nowadays . . .
And good help is SO hard to find.
Norwegian Filmmaker, I’m curious. I assume you live in the US. Is that right? If so, do you have kids that you are sending to public school in the US?
Is such required to participate in this conversation?
Apparently all that’s required to participate in this conversation is a working internet connection. However, my question was addressed to the Norwegian filmmaker.
How should I interpret this? Would you like that people like me not participate and I can give your my credentials if you wish. I have been an educator for at least 40 years now. Is that something more than an internet connection credibility? And if I am interpreting this correctly–perhaps I am not–thought you know nothing about me your are critical. Maybe I am reading something into this that isn’t there. I certainly hope so.
Participate all you like and interpret however you like. I’m trying to ask someone who isn’t you a question.
So you publish for everyone to see a message that is meant for one person and get upset when someone comments on that made public message. All I can say is I am sorry but I cannot mean it because you are criticizing me for your error.
FLERP!,
It’s annoying to be treated that way, isn’t it?
Thanks for the excellent article, Jennifer. Not to start yet another conversation here (I really need to go to bed, & so do all of you on E.S.T.!), but I had posted here, many, many, many times, about Carl Bernstein’s book on Hillary, “A Woman in Charge,” & the section that bothered me–Dick Morris’ role; when Bill was in trouble; Hillary had to find a “villain”–& that villain was, indeed, according to Bernstein’s book (if you haven’t read it, it’s a great read–published in 2007-?–so you should be able to easily access it at your local library)
the Arkansas Teachers Assn. As aforementioned, I had posted about it before on this blog, asking to, please, hear from someone who was an Arkansas teacher at that time & was a member of the A.T.A. (&, BTW, the NEA stepped up to the plate for the A.T.A. so, I believe, there were no punishments or sanctions).
In fact, no Arkansas teacher or member of the A.T.A. from that time ever commented. I’d still be interested in hearing the story (aren’t the rest of you?) from someone/those who lived it.
Apart from that yes, certainly, the Dems promoted school reform to the nth degree. We all hoped that, w/Obama’s election, No Child Left Behind would…well, be left behind. But, nooo–we got Arne Duncan & RT3, NCLB on steroids. Here in ILL-Annoy, we union people backed the Dem, Pat Quinn, for Governor, but then he stabbed us in the back by mocking teachers’ pensions, even introducing the ridiculous cartoon, “Squeezy, the Pension Python,” stating that he was “born to solve the pension crisis” and–last but certainly not least–choosing Paul Vallas as his running mate! (It was recorded that hye was the only governor to be booed off the stage by union members {& not just the teachers union–other unions represented there) & had to leave via a back door.
All he had had to do was the right thing (he was an accidental governor when, you know, our guv, Blagojevich {I’m betting Trump pardons him, ’cause he liked him when he was a contestant on “The Apprentice”) by the people who would have backed him…so, instead, one of the most disliked, anti-union Republican governor was elected & has held the state hostage–no budget for nearly the whole of his term. AND–Dems in state government were leading the way to strip us of our pensions–they passed the odious SB 1, which the IL Supreme Ct. declared unconstitutional. But–the Dems did it because, just as in Kentucky & elsewhere, our pension payments are bankrupting the state (never mind that we are one of maybe 6 states that still have a flat tax…meaning, no new revenue.
And last but not least–Obama again–Duncan leaves, but he appoints yet another totally awful, Deformer from NY (I keep confusing John King & John White–sorry).
& the death knell from the DINOs (Democrats in Name Only).
He could have…should have…appointed Diane Ravitch!!
Obama could have/should have done a lot of things but did not. He quite purposefully CHOSE not to. Obama pursued the policies he did because he fully supported those policies, not because others twisted his arm or hoodwinked him.
He had the greatest opportunity since FDR to address many of the same economic issues that produced the Great Depression, but unlike FDR, chose quite a different path. In fact, he appointed the very people who had effectively removed the protections (Glass-Steagal) that FDR had put in place to prevent another Great Depression.
People like Larry Summers.
With regard to public education:
GW Bush = slow serious cancer
Obama = bullet in the head and throat
Well-stated!
Obama’s actions were a real eye-opener to the dangers of prioritizing identity politics over the bread-and-butter issues that matter to so many of us.
Candidate Obama received a record number of donations from Wall Street, which was a red flag for all to see. Once in office, he chose to govern like a moderate Republican. He could have been the 21st-Century FDR; instead, he did nearly everything according to the Wall Street playbook.
During the Obama presidency, Social Security was in greater danger than the Wall Street banks. Remember his Grand Bargain “Catfood” Commission?
The post-presidential, $64-million payoff for a book deal given to the Obamas was the reward for his hands-off attitude toward Wall Street.
Obama was lascivious in his quest for riches. Pure trash, and so is the wife. But no different than Bush in most regards except for education.
Here is a description of what happened in Arkansas:
“The measure was bitterly opposed by teachers’ unions. A leader of the Arkansas Education Association, Peggy Nabors, wrote in a November 1983 letter to teachers around the state that the Clintons’ proposal “had done inestimable damage to the teaching profession,” according to a copy obtained by The Post.
As Hillary Clinton toured Arkansas to promote the reform package, she encountered fierce opposition. “It’s hard. But someday they’ll understand,” her longtime friend Diane Blair recalled her saying, according to a Clinton biography by Carl Bernstein.
The hotly contested measure passed, and the initiative, which included more money for public schools, eventually yielded improvements in Arkansas’ educational system.
Just as Hillary Clinton predicted, the teachers’ unions came around.
Although other Arkansas labor leaders remained deeply disappointed by the Clinton record, Nabors had become an avid supporter by the time Bill Clinton ran for president in 1992, joining the campaign to tout his education record.
“We disagreed strongly on that one issue but were in agreement on so many others,” she said in an interview. Nabors said she told the Clintons, “Everyone has the opportunity to be wrong at least once, and this was yours.”
FYI – given that progressives believe that what happened in the 1980s are grounds to ignore the rest of the life’s work of a woman, it is really ironic to hear anyone say “He could have…should have…appointed Diane Ravitch!!”
I thought progressives believed that whatever political positions a woman has in the 1980s is grounds to distrust and attack her nearly 30 years later because everything that happened in the intervening years is not nearly as important as what happened 30 years ago.
Why anyone would disqualify a candidate because of a position they took in the 1980s if they have spent the last 20+ years — including as NY Senator — fighting FOR public schools and not promoting privatization is truly beyond my understanding.
Lafered,
PLEASE don’t stop posting. Just think about how your speak about the host. Whether it seems unfair or not, your voice is great and clear, and your thinking is really deep. If you write, I shall read. Don’t let Diane’s temperament get to you.
Realize that Diane has really done a 180 and is on OUR side. She has the premier blog for education news and editorials. I don’t agree with her lack of objection ( or maybe she has had WEAK objections) toward the AFT and UFT and DNC, but she is on our side, and she is critical in the resistance movement. Even if she refuses to be militant about certain things, I can’t see this movement without her. Not one bit.
Diane tries very hard. None of us will have 100% overlap with our allies. Even I consider NYCPSP an ally. While I do agree with much of her/his politics, I don’t like her/him.
Stay in Diane’s living room. It’s great she is willing to have all of us here.
Thank you, NF.
I try to keep people on the same side from forming a circular firing squad.